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  dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 16:40 +0200
    Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 18:30 +0200
      Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 19:10 +0200
        Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 21:50 +0200
          Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 04:30 +0200
            Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
              Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 12:50 +0200
                Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 13:20 +0200
        Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 03:50 +0200
          Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 09:30 +0200
            Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-22 06:10 +0200
              Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-22 14:50 +0200
                Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-22 15:20 +0200
                  Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-22 17:10 +0200
                Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-22 19:50 +0200
      Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-04 20:20 +0200
        Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 21:20 +0200
          Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 16:30 +0200
            Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 17:00 +0200
            Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 21:00 +0200
              Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 22:50 +0200
                Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 15:50 +0200
                  Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 18:30 +0200
                    Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 01:00 +0200
                      Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-11 01:30 +0200
                        Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 10:20 +0200
      Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 03:00 +0200
        Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2019-05-05 04:40 +0200
          Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 05:10 +0200

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#208115 — dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?)

I've now repeated the same sequence of commands a couple of times to 
make [SD-cards for the Teres laptop] and finally it looks like I get the 
same results every time :-)

*** make new Teres SD-card with new Teres laptop
mkdir /home/debian/teres
cd /home/debian/teres
wget http://box.redpill.dk/nonfree/nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img.gz
gunzip nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img.gz
lsblk --paths
lsblk --paths
umount /dev/sda
sudo cp nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img /dev/sda
*** move new Teres SD-card to new Teres laptop
sudo box-fill-disk
sudo apt update
sudo box-add-gui
sudo apt install etckeeper
sudo apt install man
sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
-> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
-> Other
-> Swedish
-> Swedish
-> The default for the keyboard layout
-> No compose key
-> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
sudo shutdown -h now

And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".

I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC 
(intl.)" in the menue following the command 'dpkg-reconfigure 
keyboard-configuration' (see above), but there is no difference between 
105 and 102 wrt what the Teres keyboard produce on screen (see below).

I have also tried with an USB keyboard which has one extra key between 
<left shift> and <z>. That extra key delivers "|") and "¦" with both 
"Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" (and Swedish).

I can of course use the USB keyboard with my laptop, but it would be 
more convenient if I could get the Teres keyboard to do "|" and "¦".

So, does anyone know how to make the Teres keyboard not only output 
Swedish letters, but also "|" and  "¦"?

Maybe there is a "keyboard model" I can choose that is a better fit than 
"Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and"Generic 102-key PC (intl.)"?

Thank you for your time.

//Erik


[SD-cards for the Teres laptop] https://box.redpill.dk/nonfree/


Generic 105-key PC (intl.)

DELTACO USB keyboard

No key pressed
§§11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨
aassddffgghhjjkkllööää''
<<zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

SHIFT
½½!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÖÖÄÄ**
 >>ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

ALT+GR
¶¶¡¡@@££$$€€¥¥{{[[]]}}\\±±
@@łł€€®®þþ←←↓↓→→œœþþ¨~
ªªßßððđđŋŋħħ̉ĸĸłłøøææ´´
||««»»©©““””nnµµ¸··̣

ALT+GR+SHIFT
¾¾¹¹²²³³¼¼¢¢⅝⅝÷÷««»»°°¿¿¬¬
ΩΩŁŁ¢¢®®ÞÞ¥¥↑↑ııŒŒÞÞ°ˇ
ºº§§ÐЪªŊŊĦĦ̛&&ŁŁØØÆÆ××
¦¦<<>>©©‘‘’’NNºº˛˙˙


Teres keyboard

No key pressed
§§11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨''
aassddffgghhjjkkllööää
zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

SHIFT
½½!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^**
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÖÖÄÄ
ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

ALT+GR
¶¶¡¡@@££$$€€¥¥{{[[]]}}\\±±
@@łł€€®®þþ←←↓↓→→œœþþ¨~´´
ªªßßððđđŋŋħħ̉ĸĸłłøøææ
««»»©©““””nnµµ¸··̣

ALT+GR+SHIFT
¾¾¹¹²²³³¼¼¢¢⅝⅝÷÷««»»°°¿¿¬¬
ΩΩŁŁ¢¢®®ÞÞ¥¥↑↑ııŒŒÞÞ°ˇ××
ºº§§ÐЪªŊŊĦĦ̛&&ŁŁØØÆÆ
<<>>©©‘‘’’NNºº˛˙˙



Generic 102-key PC (intl.)

DELTACO USB keyboard

No key pressed
§§11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨
aassddffgghhjjkkllööää''
<<zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

SHIFT
½½!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÖÖÄÄ**
 >>ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

ALT+GR
¶¶¡¡@@££$$€€¥¥{{[[]]}}\\±±
@@łł€€®®þþ←←↓↓→→œœþþ¨~
ªªßßððđđŋŋħħ̉ĸĸłłøøææ´´
||««»»©©““””nnµµ¸··̣

ALT+GR+SHIFT
¾¾¹¹²²³³¼¼¢¢⅝⅝÷÷««»»°°¿¿¬¬
ΩΩŁŁ¢¢®®ÞÞ¥¥↑↑ııŒŒÞÞ°ˇ
ºº§§ÐЪªŊŊĦĦ̛&&ŁŁØØÆÆ××
¦¦<<>>©©‘‘’’NNºº˛˙˙


Teres keyboard

No key pressed
§§11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨''
aassddffgghhjjkkllööää
zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

SHIFT
½½!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^**
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÖÖÄÄ
ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

ALT+GR
¶¶¡¡@@££$$€€¥¥{{[[]]}}\\±±
@@łł€€®®þþ←←↓↓→→œœþþ¨~´´
ªªßßððđđŋŋħħ̉ĸĸłłøøææ
««»»©©““””nnµµ¸··̣

ALT+GR+SHIFT
¾¾¹¹²²³³¼¼¢¢⅝⅝÷÷««»»°°¿¿¬¬
ΩΩŁŁ¢¢®®ÞÞ¥¥↑↑ııŒŒÞÞ°ˇ××
ºº§§ÐЪªŊŊĦĦ̛&&ŁŁØØÆÆ
<<>>©©‘‘’’NNºº˛˙˙

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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
<snip>

> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> -> Other
> -> Swedish
> -> Swedish
> -> The default for the keyboard layout
> -> No compose key
> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> sudo shutdown -h now
>
> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
>

With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.

One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.

Which?

>
> I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC
> (intl.)" in the menue following the command 'dpkg-reconfigure
> keyboard-configuration' (see above), but there is no difference between
> 105 and 102 wrt what the Teres keyboard produce on screen (see below).
>
> I have also tried with an USB keyboard which has one extra key between
> <left shift> and <z>. That extra key delivers "|") and "¦" with both
> "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" (and
> Swedish).
>
> I can of course use the USB keyboard with my laptop, but it would be
> more convenient if I could get the Teres keyboard to do "|" and "¦".
>
> So, does anyone know how to make the Teres keyboard not only output
> Swedish letters, but also "|" and  "¦"?
>
> Maybe there is a "keyboard model" I can choose that is a better fit than
> "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and"Generic 102-key PC (intl.)"?
>

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> //Erik
>
> <snip>
>
>

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#208130 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> > -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> > -> Other
> > -> Swedish
> > -> Swedish
> > -> The default for the keyboard layout
> > -> No compose key
> > -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> > sudo shutdown -h now
> >
> > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".

Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.

Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable on a 102-key keyboard 
with a swedish layout.

Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish

Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted) 
is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards.


> With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
> I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> 
> One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
> when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> 
> Which?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar#Solid_vertical_bar_vs_broken_bar

 - Jonas

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#208151 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-05-04 19:08:19)
> Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
> > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> > > -> Other
> > > -> Swedish
> > > -> Swedish
> > > -> The default for the keyboard layout
> > > -> No compose key
> > > -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> > > sudo shutdown -h now
> > >
> > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> 
> Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.
> 
> Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable on a 102-key keyboard 
> with a swedish layout.
> 
> Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish
> 
> Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted) 
> is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards.

For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable 
as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key).

I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as 
compose key.  That enables a range of additional key combos (but pipe 
unreachable as it requires ^ directly reachable which in danish layout 
in Shift'ed).


 - Jonas

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#208171 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

Den 2019-05-04 kl. 21:43, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
> For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable
> as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key).
>
> I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as
> compose key.

So if you were to make a Danish Teres laptop, you'd make the following 
choices in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration?

Keyboard model:              Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
Keyboard layout:             Danish - (Win keys)
Key to function as AltGr:    The default for the keyboard layout
Compose key:                 Menu key
Use Control+Alt+Backspace to
terminate the X server?      <No>

Those won't work for me, but there are a couple of Finnish options I 
will try.

Thanks for taking time.

//Erik

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#208192 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Den 2019-05-05 kl. 04:29, skrev Erik Josefsson:
> Den 2019-05-04 kl. 21:43, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
>> For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable
>> as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key).
>>
>> I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as
>> compose key.
>
> So if you were to make a Danish Teres laptop, you'd make the following 
> choices in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration?
>
> Keyboard model:              Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
> Keyboard layout:             Danish - (Win keys)
> Key to function as AltGr:    The default for the keyboard layout
> Compose key:                 Menu key
> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to
> terminate the X server?      <No>
>
> Those won't work for me, but there are a couple of Finnish options I 
> will try. 

Found that keyboard model "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" and keyboard 
layout "Finnish - Finnish (Winkeys)" works for me (the rest as above).

At last! :-)

With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful 
for pointers to such.

Sorry for the noise.

//Erik


Configuring keyboard-configuration

Please select the model of the keyboard of this machine.
-Keyboard model: Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
Please select the layout matching the keyboard for this machine.
-Keyboard layout: Danish - Danish (Win keys) [and below "Finnish - 
Finnish (Winkeys)"]
With some keyboard layouts, AltGr is a modifier key used to input some 
characters, primarily ones that are unusual for the language of the 
keyboard layout, such as foreign currency symbols and accented letters. 
These are often printed as an extra symbol on keys.
-Key to function as AltGr:  The default for the keyboard layout
The Compose key (known also as Multi_key) causes the computer to 
interpret the next few keystrokes as a combination in order to produce a 
character not found on the keyboard. On the text console the Compose key 
does not work in Unicode mode. If not in Unicode mode, regardless of 
what you choose here, you can always also use the Control+period 
combination as a Compose key.
-Compose key:  Menu key
By default the combination Control+Alt+Backspace does nothing. If you 
want it can be used to terminate the X server.
-Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>

Danish - Danish (Win keys)
<no key>
½½11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨''
aassddffgghhjjkkllææøø
zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

<Shift>
§§!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^**
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÆÆØØ
ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

<AltGr>
¾¾¡¡@@££$$€€¥¥{{[[]]}}±±||
@@łł€€®®þþ←←↓↓→→œœþþ¨~˝
ªªßßððđđŋŋħħ̉ĸĸłł´^
««»»©©““””nnµµ¸··̣

<Shift>+<AltGr>
¶¶¹¹²²³³¼¼¢¢⅝⅝÷÷««»»°°¿¿¦¦
ΩΩŁŁ¢¢®®ÞÞ¥¥↑↑ııŒŒÞÞ°ˇ××
ºº§§ÐЪªŊŊĦĦ̛&&ŁŁ˝ˇ
<<>>©©‘‘’’NNºº˛˙˙

Finnish - Finnish (Winkeys)
<no key>
§§11223344556677889900++´
qqwweerrttyyuuiiooppåå¨''
aassddffgghhjjkkllööää
zzxxccvvbbnnmm,,..--

<Shift>
½½!!""##¤¤%%&&//(())==??`
QQWWEERRTTYYUUIIOOPPÅÅ^**
AASSDDFFGGHHJJKKLLÖÖÄÄ
ZZXXCCVVBBNNMM;;::__

<AltGr>
/@@££$$€€‚‚{{[[]]}}\\¸
qqww€€rrþþyyuuııœœ̛˝~ˇ
əəßßððffgghhjjĸĸ/øøææ
ʒʒ××ccvvbbŋŋµµ’’̣––

<Shift>+<AltGr>
¡¡””»»««““„„<<>>°°¿¿˛
QQWWRRÞÞYYUU||ŒŒ̉°ṓ
ƏƏẞẞÐÐFFGGHHJJØØÆÆ
ƷƷ··CCVVBBŊŊ——‘‘˙,

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#208196 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53)
> With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful 
> for pointers to such.

Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"?

 - Jonas

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#208200 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

Den 2019-05-05 kl. 12:47, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
> Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53)
>> With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful
>> for pointers to such.
> Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"?
I did! And "swerty" came up!

http://johanegustafsson.net/projects/swerty/

He says "Swerty for Linux" has been tested  on Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 
and 12.04.

I guess this means I could file a whishlist bug for both "TERES-I 
keyboard" as 'Keyboard model' and and "Swerty" as 'Keyboard layout' as 
choices presented by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration :-)

Best regards.

//Erik

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#208170 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

Den 2019-05-04 kl. 19:08, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
> Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
>>> -> Other
>>> -> Swedish
>>> -> Swedish
>>> -> The default for the keyboard layout
>>> -> No compose key
>>> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
>>> sudo shutdown -h now
>>>
>>> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.

How do you know?

There are no signs on the box telling me that the Teres laptop keyboard 
is one or the other of the [keyboards listed] by dpkg-reconfigure 
keyboard-configuration and the link to the hardware source don't say 
either:

https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/HARDWARE/A64-TERES/TERES-PCB5-KEYBOARD

> Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable

Yes, that is the problem!

> on a 102-key keyboard

The Teres laptop keyboard has 80 physical keys. Why do you call it a 
"102-key keyboard"?

> with a swedish layout.
>
> Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish
>
> Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted)
> is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards.

Myscandinavian USB keyboard has 105 physical keys, but since the Teres 
laptop keyboard has 80 physical keys I cannot really notice "a key which 
is missing on 102-char keyboards".

Please note that both myUSB keyboard and the Teres keyboard delivers 
identical output with the two dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration 
options I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key 
PC (intl.)".

Thanks for feedback!

//Erik


[keyboards listed]

A4Tech KB-21
A4Tech KBS-8
A4Tech Wireless Desktop RFKB-23 — безжична
Acer AirKey V
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#208178 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 03:48:22)
> Den 2019-05-04 kl. 19:08, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
> >> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> >>> -> Other
> >>> -> Swedish
> >>> -> Swedish
> >>> -> The default for the keyboard layout
> >>> -> No compose key
> >>> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> >>> sudo shutdown -h now
> >>>
> >>> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.
> 
> How do you know?

Fine.  I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or 
warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.  Or all those swedish solar flares...

Perhaps you'd better ask a mechanic, a veterinary, and an astronomer for 
help, instead of this mailinglist!


> Please note that both myUSB keyboard and the Teres keyboard delivers 
> identical output with the two dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration 
> options I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key 
> PC (intl.)".

If that option works great then don't change that option.


 - Jonas

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#208985 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or
> warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.

Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp.

Could be warewolf p's, or baby drool.

It's magic either way.

//Erik

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#209001 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote:
> On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or
> > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.
> 
> Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp.

In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously?
Rapidly or intermittently?
Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional?
Or did it start mid-session?
After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration?

Cheers,
David.

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#209002 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-22 14:40:28)
> On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote:
> > On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or
> > > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.
> > 
> > Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp.
> 
> In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously?
> Rapidly or intermittently?
> Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional?
> Or did it start mid-session?
> After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration?

....or the really scary one: Does it happen only when the moon is full?


 - Jonas

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#209007 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

On Wed 22 May 2019 at 15:18:36 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting David Wright (2019-05-22 14:40:28)
> > On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote:
> > > On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or
> > > > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.
> > > 
> > > Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp.
> > 
> > In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously?
> > Rapidly or intermittently?
> > Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional?
> > Or did it start mid-session?
> > After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration?
> 
> ....or the really scary one: Does it happen only when the moon is full?

:)

But I have a problem with this laptop where these questions would be
answered thus:

Spontaneously. Intermittently. Occasional. Not mid-session.
Not after dpkg-reconfigure. (And the characters typed are NULs.)
"What comes out of one of the keyboards now is ^@^@^@^@^@^@"
wouldn't help much in diagnosing my problem.

Cheers,
David.

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#209018 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

On 5/22/19 12:40 PM, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote:
>> On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or
>>> warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.
>> Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp.
> In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously?
> Rapidly or intermittently?

I found the laptop "p"-ing when coming back after wiping, among other 
things, baby drool in another room. My daughter is 19 months.

More specifically, I came back to a growing line of p's in an open text 
document in Mousepad (the xfce editor). I did not press any key, nor was 
the p's coming rapidly or intermittently. I just closed Mousepad.

> Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional?

It continued in Thunderbird, but less aggressive, kind of like at the 
end of the walk with the dog (if the allegory still holds for another joke).

> Or did it start mid-session?

I think more like mid session, but not sure. I have now put that laptop 
on the shelf.

If something similar happens with this laptop, we can rule out baby 
drool. I'm keeping it safe from now on.

But it also means I will have to stop testing things and instead find 
for another mode of working with Debian.

> After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration?

Probably unrelated.

But you never know (full moons etc).

Best regards.

//Erik

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#208137

On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> <snip>
> > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> 
> With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
> I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> 
> One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
> when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> 
> Which?

Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ­ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
even have ¢.

Cheers,
David.

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#208143 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > 
> > With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the 
> > "p" key.
> > I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> > 
> > One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, 
> > for when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> > 
> > Which?
> 
> Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
> lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
> to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
> ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ­ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
> We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
> even have ¢.

¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.

€ (euro) is the current currency sign in some of EU.

As for the original question I simply ignore the odd parts and focus on 
what I can sensibly contribute to: The pipe sign a.k.a. Unicode 
"vertical bar": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar


 - Jonas

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#208208 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> > On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > > 
> > > With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the 
> > > "p" key.
> > > I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> > > 
> > > One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, 
> > > for when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> > > 
> > > Which?
> > 
> > Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
> > lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
> > to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
> > ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ­ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
> > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
> > even have ¢.
> 
> ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.

Er. Americans still have cents (¢).

The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway. I never saw its symbol
being used in the wild. Its position is way down the Unicode table,
in the company of ₡ ₢ ₣ ₤ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₨ ₩ ₪ ₫ € ₭ ₮ ₯ ₰ ₱, currency signs
that I would have difficulty naming from their symbols, apart from—

> € (euro) is the current currency sign in some of EU.
> 
> As for the original question I simply ignore the odd parts and focus on 
> what I can sensibly contribute to: The pipe sign a.k.a. Unicode 
> "vertical bar": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar

Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is *so*
keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are
almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it?
Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to
http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6
which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its
code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias
ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least
in European usage."

Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to
want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic
as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that
they didn't.

Cheers,
David.

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#208209 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-05 16:26:26)
> On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> > > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't 
> > > even have ¢.
> > 
> > ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.
> 
> Er. Americans still have cents (¢).
> 
> The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway.

Whoops - I guess that reveals how rarely (i.e. never) I use cent sign 
:-)

Thanks for the correction!

 - Jonas

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#208230 — Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

Den 2019-05-05 kl. 16:26, skrev David Wright:
> Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is*so*
> keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are
> almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it?
> Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to
> http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6
> which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its
> code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias
> ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least
> in European usage."
>
> Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to
> want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic
> as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that
> they didn't.

For what it's worth, I had the foggy idea that I had to figure out how 
to make the Teres keyboard reproduce the output from the Scandinavian 
USB keyboard. What else would be "right"?

When the 105 and 102 options then gave the same result, it got 
completely lost.

And I'm still kind of lost since I don't really understand what a 
"Keyboard model" is. So already at the first menu choice of 
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration I don't really know what I'm 
doing there.

In the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration menu there are [193 
different keyboard models] to choose from.

But two of them are the same, at least from the point of view of a Teres 
laptop.

How does that work?

//Erik

[193 different keyboard models]

A4Tech KB-21
A4Tech KBS-8
A4Tech Wireless Desktop RFKB-23 — безжична
Acer AirKey V
Acer C300
Acer Ferrari 4000
Acer portàtil
Advance Scorpius KI
Amiga
Apple
Apple Aluminium (ANSI)
Apple Aluminium (ISO)
Apple Aluminium (JIS)
Apple portàtil
Asus portàtil
Atari TT
Azona RF2300 wireless Internet
BenQ X-Touch
BenQ X-Touch 730
BenQ X-Touch 800
Brother Internet
BTC 5090
BTC 5113RF Multimedia
BTC 5126T
BTC 6301URF
BTC 9000
BTC 9000A
BTC 9001AH
BTC 9019U
BTC 9116U Mini Wireless Internet and Gaming — безжична, за Интернет и игри
Cherry Blue Line CyBo@rd
Cherry Blue Line CyBo@rd (alt.)
Cherry B.UNLIMITED
Cherry CyBo@rd USB-Hub
Cherry CyMotion Expert
Cherry CyMotion Master Linux
Cherry CyMotion Master XPress
Chicony Internet
Chicony KB-9885
Chicony KU-0108
Chicony KU-0420
Chromebook
Classmate PC
Compaq Armada portàtil
Compaq Easy Access
Compaq Internet (13 tecles)
Compaq Internet (18 tecles)
Compaq Internet (7 tecles)
Compaq iPaq
Compaq Presario portàtil
Creative Desktop Wireless 7000 — безжична
Dell
Dell 101-key PC
Dell Inspiron 6000/8000 portàtil
Dell Latitude portàtil
Dell Precision M65 portàtil
Dell Precision M portàtil
Dell SK-8125
Dell SK-8135
Dell USB Multimedia
Dexxa Wireless Desktop
Diamond 9801/9802
DTK2000
eMachines m6800 portàtil
Ennyah DKB-1008
Everex STEPnote
FL90
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo portàtil
Generies 101-sleutel PC
Generies 104-sleutel PC
Genius Comfy KB-12e
Genius Comfy KB-16M/Multimedia KWD-910
Genius Comfy KB-21e-Scroll
Genius KB-19e NB
Genius KKB-2050HS
Gyration
Happy Hacking
Happy Hacking per Mac
Hewlett-Packard Internet
Hewlett-Packard Mini 110 portàtil
Hewlett-Packard NEC SK-2500 Multimedia
Hewlett-Packard nx9020
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 500
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 500 FA
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 6000/6100
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XE3 GC
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XE3 GF
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XT1000
Hewlett-Packard Pavilion dv5
Hewlett-Packard Pavilion ZT1100
Honeywell Euroboard
HTC Dream
IBM Rapid Access
IBM Rapid Access II
IBM Space Saver
IBM ThinkPad 560Z/600/600E/A22E
IBM ThinkPad R60/T60/R61/T61
IBM ThinkPad Z60m/Z60t/Z61m/Z61t
Keytronic FlexPro
Logitech
Logitech Access
Logitech Cordless Desktop
Logitech Cordless Desktop (alt.)
Logitech Cordless Desktop EX110
Logitech Cordless Desktop iTouch
Logitech Cordless Desktop LX-300 — безжична
Logitech Cordless Desktop Navigator
Logitech Cordless Desktop Optical
Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro (2a. alt.)
Logitech Cordless Freedom/Desktop Navigator
Logitech diNovo
Logitech diNovo Edge
Logitech G15, допълнителни клавиши чрез G15daemon
Logitech Internet
  Logitech Internet 350
Logitech Internet Navigator
Logitech iTouch
Logitech iTouch Cordless Y-RB6
Logitech iTouch Internet Navigator SE
Logitech iTouch Internet Navigator SE USB
Logitech Ultra-X
Logitech Ultra-X Cordless Media Desktop
MacBook/MacBook Pro
MacBook/MacBook Pro (intl.)
Macintosh
Macintosh (oud)
Memorex MX1998
Memorex MX2500 EZ-Access
Memorex MX2750
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
Microsoft Internet
Microsoft Internet Pro (Suec)
Microsoft Natural Elite
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000
Microsoft Natural Pro OEM
Microsoft Natural Pro/Internet Pro
Microsoft Natural Pro USB/Internet Pro
Microsoft Natural Wireless Ergonomic 7000
Microsoft Natuurlik
Microsoft Office sleutelbord
Microsoft Wireless Multimedia 1.0A
NEC SK-1300
NEC SK-2500
NEC SK-6200
NEC SK-7100
Northgate OmniKey 101
OLPC
Ortek Multimedia/Internet MCK-800
PC-98
PC genèric de 102 tecles (intl.)
PC genèric de 105 tecles (intl.)
Propeller Voyager KTEZ-1000
QTronix Scorpius 98N+
Samsung SDM 4500P
Samsung SDM 4510P
Sanwa Supply SKB-KG3
Silvercrest Multimedia Wireless
SteelSeries Apex 300 (Apex RAW)
Sun Type 4
Sun Type 5
Sun Type 6 (Japonesa)
Sun Type 6/7 USB (Europeu)
Sun Type 6 USB (Japonesa)
Sun Type 6 USB (Unix)
Sun Type 7 USB (Europeu)
Sun Type 7 USB (Japonès)/106 tecles japonesa
Sun Type 7 USB (Unix)
Super Power Multimedia
SVEN Ergonomic 2500
SVEN Slim 303
Symplon PaceBook tauleta
Targa Visionary 811
Toshiba Satellite S3000
Truly Ergonomic 227
Truly Ergonomic 229
Truly Ergonomic Computer Keyboard Model 227 — ергономична, широк Alt
Truly Ergonomic Computer Keyboard Model 229 — ергономична, нормален Alt, 
допълнителни Super и Menu
Trust Direct Access
Trust Slimline
Trust Wireless Classic
TypeMatrix EZ-Reach 2020
TypeMatrix EZ-Reach 2030 PS2
TypeMatrix EZ-Reach 2030 USB
TypeMatrix EZ-Reach 2030 USB — режим 102/105:EU
TypeMatrix EZ-Reach 2030 USB — режим 106:JP
Unitek KB-1925
ViewSonic KU-306 Internet
Winbook Model XP5
Yahoo! Internet
Кинезис
На Sun, вид 6/7 USB
На Sun, вид 7 USB
Телефон HTC Dream

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