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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

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First post2019-05-05 09:10 +0200
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  Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 09:10 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> - 2019-05-05 10:10 +0200
      Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 10:40 +0200
      Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
        Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
          Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
            Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> - 2019-05-05 22:50 +0200
          Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
            Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-05-05 13:20 +0200
      List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-05 12:00 +0200
        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:20 +0200
          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
            Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 01:30 +0200
              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 09:30 +0200
                Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 10:40 +0200
                  Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 11:30 +0200
                    Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 13:10 +0200
                      Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
                        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
                        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
                          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 15:20 +0200
                            Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 17:20 +0200
                              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 20:20 +0200
                          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-07 13:30 +0200
              Re: List attachments Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
          Re: List attachments Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-05-05 13:30 +0200
            Re: List attachments Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 15:20 +0200

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#208177 — Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-05 09:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Message-ID<xUjrz-5Wq-1@gated-at.bofh.it>

> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
>    550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com

Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.

What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing attachments?

Rick

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#208179

FromFrank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de>
Date2019-05-05 10:10 +0200
Message-ID<xUknD-6vi-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208177
Hi Rick,

On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
>
>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
>>     550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>
> Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>
> What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing attachments?

Did you compress the attachments?

Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
of spamming other lists?

Cheers,
Frank

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#208180

FromPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-05 10:40 +0200
Message-ID<xUkQF-6EI-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208179
On Sun, 5 May 2019, Frank Scheiner wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
>>> <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] 
>>> said:
>>>     550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>> 
>> Hmmm I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>> 
>> Whats the approved method for doing that now, since its not allowing 
>> attachments?
>
> Did you compress the attachments?
>
> Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
> attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
> of spamming other lists?
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
>
   the syslog mode is 640. I think it must be changed to 644 to be
   readable by a normal user.

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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#208182

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
Message-ID<xUlMJ-7d6-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208179

> On May 5, 2019, at 1:04 AM, Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
>>>    550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>> 
>> Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>> 
>> What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing attachments?
> 
> Did you compress the attachments?
> 
> Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
> attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
> of spamming other lists?
> 
> Cheers,
> Frank

The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think that makes a difference?
Rick

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#208183

FromJohn Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Date2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
Message-ID<xUlMJ-7d6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208182

> On May 5, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think that makes a difference?

You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.

Adrian

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#208188

FromJohn Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Date2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
Message-ID<xUmfL-7CB-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208183
> On May 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed file was 48KB.

Remove the irrelevant parts. But 365 kB isn’t too much anyway.

Adrian

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#208236

FromFrank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de>
Date2019-05-05 22:50 +0200
Message-ID<xUwf7-5ik-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208188
On 5/5/19 12:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
>> On May 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed file was 48KB.
>
> Remove the irrelevant parts. But 365 kB isn’t too much anyway.

What's the (exact) size limit then on the list(s)?

And I actually never had issues with gzip compressed text files.

@Rick:
> The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think that makes a difference?
> Rick

Maybe just give it a try and compress the text file with gzip instead.

Cheers,
Frank

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#208189

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
Message-ID<xUmfL-7CB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208183
> On May 5, 2019, at 2:34 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think that makes a difference?
> 
> You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.
> 
> Adrian

What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed file was 48KB.
Rick

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#208199

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2019-05-05 13:20 +0200
Message-ID<xUnlv-8er-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208189
Rick Thomas composed on 2019-05-05 03:06 (UTC-0700):

> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote 

>> You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.

> What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed file was 48KB. 
using web browser:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin
http://paste.debian.net/
http://pastebin.com/
or:

	$ pastebinit

avoids need to open a browser to upload.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#208184 — List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-05 12:00 +0200
SubjectList attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUm65-7jV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208179

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On Sun, 5 May 2019 10:04:02 +0200
Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> wrote:

Hello Frank,

>Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
>attachments is not that useful.

Stops ppl sending unnecessary guff to the list (emojis, html,
anim-gifs...), not that that applies necessarily to your situation.

There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)
with a pointer to it placed on the list, so those ppl that are able to
help can take a look.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain
Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses

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#208193 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-05 12:20 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUmpr-7FL-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208184
Thanks for the reply!

> On May 5, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)

I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.

What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

Enjoy!
Rick

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#208194 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUmIN-7LM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208193
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

Rick Thomas wrote:
> Thanks for the reply!
>
>> On May 5, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)
>
> I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.
>
> What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

It's a style of website that allows you to paste text and others to read
it.  For example, http://termbin.com or http://paste.debian.net, etc.

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-- 
|_|O|_| 
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5  4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281

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#208195 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUmIO-7LM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208193

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On Sun, 5 May 2019 03:13:46 -0700
Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:

Hello Rick,

>What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

A place to share (predominantly) code snippets and the like for the
purposes of critique or garnering advice about ways to improve said code.

Yes, it's available to all.  pastebin.com

Pastebin has the advantage that whatever you upload gets line numbers
attached to the display not the code itself), so people can point you to
exactly the right place.  There are various restrictions based on type of
account you have (unregistered, free, and so on).  But aren't there
always?

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
But they didn't tell him the first two didn't count
Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers

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#208241 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromDavid <bouncingcats@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 01:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUyJX-6TO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208195
On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 20:31, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 May 2019 03:13:46 -0700 Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> >What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?
>
> Yes, it's available to all.  pastebin.com

Hi.

No, please don't use pastebin.com

I won't read anything posted to that site, and I doubt that I'm
the only person here with this view.

People here care about software freedom. So please don't
recommend (here) non-free software providers with their stupid
logins, cookies, tracking, terms-of-service, javascript requirements
and who knows or cares what else when we have a free-software
service written by a Debian developer that does exactly what is
needed without attempting to monetise its users.

For pastebin purposes within Debian, please use: https://paste.debian.net/

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#208245 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUzZo-7Jo-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208241
> On May 5, 2019, at 4:26 PM, David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For pastebin purposes within Debian, please use: https://paste.debian.net/

Thanks, David.  This sound like exactly what I need.
Rick

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#208257 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-06 09:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUGet-3lH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208241

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On Mon, 6 May 2019 09:26:00 +1000
David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello David,

>People here care about software freedom.

Some do, yes.  Far more simply don't care:  You only have to look at how
successful surveillance companies (google, facebook, twitter, et al)
have become; with people willingly, even eagerly, handing over their
data to be traded in a highly lucrative market.

However, it was not my intent to recommend a particular provider, just
give an example.  Also, until it came up in this thread, I was not aware
Debian provide a similar pasting service.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Keep your drink just give 'em the money
U & Ur Hand - P!nk

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#208260 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromDavid <bouncingcats@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 10:40 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUHkd-3WA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208257
On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 17:22, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2019 09:26:00 +1000 David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> >People here care about software freedom.
>
> Some do, yes.  Far more simply don't care:

I think the proportion of people providing answers here who do care
would be significantly higher than the general population though.
That's why I was concerned enough to respond, and why I wrote
people *here* :)

> You only have to look at how
> successful surveillance companies (google, facebook, twitter, et al)
> have become; with people willingly, even eagerly, handing over their
> data to be traded in a highly lucrative market.

Indeed.

> However, it was not my intent to recommend a particular provider, just
> give an example.  Also, until it came up in this thread, I was not aware
> Debian provide a similar pasting service.

No worries, I'm glad you are aware now :)

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#208261 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-06 11:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUI6B-4si-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208260

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On Mon, 6 May 2019 18:37:36 +1000
David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello David,

>I think the proportion of people providing answers here who do care
>would be significantly higher than the general population though.
>That's why I was concerned enough to respond, and why I wrote
>people *here* :)

Fair point.

I would contend though, that the number of people that do care is still
less than 50%, even if not by much.  I have no data to support that, it's
just my gut feeling based on the number of gmail (and similar) email
addresses that are in use here.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
You only see me for the clothes that I wear
Public Image - Public Image Ltd

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#208262 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 13:10 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUJFo-5y4-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208261
On Mon, 6 May 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:

>                                      I have no data to support that, it's
> just my gut feeling based on the number of gmail (and similar) email
> addresses that are in use here.

   does that mean that there is something else, i.e.  a "free" mail provider?

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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#208263 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUJYJ-5EF-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208262
On Mon, 6 May 2019, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

> On Mon, 6 May 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>>                                      I have no data to support that, it's
>> just my gut feeling based on the number of gmail (and similar) email
>> addresses that are in use here.
>
>  does that mean that there is something else, i.e.  a "free" mail provider?
>
> best regards,
> -- 
> Pierre Frenkiel
>
   I was not clear enough. I didn't mean "gratis" or "free as in beer", but
   non commercial (as opposed to gmail, provided by Google)

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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