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  apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 19:00 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-05 19:10 +0200
      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 20:20 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2019-05-05 21:20 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 23:20 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-06 09:20 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 16:40 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-06 09:20 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 16:30 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-06 15:50 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 17:10 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 17:30 +0200
                Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-06 17:40 +0200
                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 18:00 +0200
                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-06 20:00 +0200
                      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:20 +0200
                        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 11:40 +0200
                          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-07 15:00 +0200
                            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 15:40 +0200
                              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 18:40 +0200
                                Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 21:00 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-05-07 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-08 20:20 +0200
                                      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-09 00:00 +0200
                                        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-09 13:50 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-08 01:00 +0200
                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 18:00 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 20:20 +0200
      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-06 21:20 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-05-06 22:10 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-06 22:30 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:30 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 10:50 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:30 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 22:00 +0200

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#208369

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Brian wrote:
> On Tue 07 May 2019 at 13:29:39 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:
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>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 07 May 2019 05:28:26 am Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >>> [...]
>> >>> Is that a lib/module I can install to a
>> >>> 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1
>> >>> kernel?
>> >>
>> >> Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for a
>> >> different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a 64-bit
>> >> machine).
>> >>
>> >> You didn't answer which printer it was, though.
>> >
>> > Brother MFC-J6920DW, it can handle up to 11x17 paper, handy when 
>> 
>> According to the driver install notes [1] (step2), there are some prereq
>> procedures[2].  Prereq (5) on that page is for Debian / Ubuntu 64-bit
>> machines.
>> 
>> NOTE -- I just grabbed the LPR *deb package (as I prefer LPR over cups).
>> You can go through the tool here[3] to select the cupswrapper driver, if
>> you prefer.
>
> There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more. :)
> Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are required.
> One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion to the specific
> printer language.

I have never pulled in the CUPSwrapper driver, and have never had a
problem with the printer.

>> Some features may require that you've connected the printer via USB (I
>> have a MFC-L8860CDW connected to the network that "loses" a lot of the
>> "from the PC" functionality due to that).
>
> MFC-L8860CDW? What features are missing from network connected device?
>
Mainly the "pushbutton scan" and other fancy scanning options from the
"usb driver" -- I mean, I can walk over to the thing, and hit the "scan
to SFTP" button and get a PDF, but that's about the extent of my "scan
back to a PC" ability.  There are also a couple of "on the printer"
options that require a windows compter (although, thinking about it,
those may be more like "scan to SMB share").

But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.

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#208370

On 2019-05-07 19:40, Dan Purgert wrote:

> Mainly the "pushbutton scan" and other fancy scanning options from the
> "usb driver" -- I mean, I can walk over to the thing, and hit the "scan
> to SFTP" button and get a PDF, but that's about the extent of my "scan
> back to a PC" ability.  There are also a couple of "on the printer"
> options that require a windows compter (although, thinking about it,
> those may be more like "scan to SMB share").
> 
> But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.

I was having some trouble printing something from something or other a 
while back and I forget exactly how but was suggested to use google 
print or something that required you to give google access to your 
printer.
Well I thought not.
This cloud stuff ( everything just works ) seems all very well but so 
far I have managed to avoid it.

mick
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#208372

On Tue 07 May 2019 at 20:03:33 +0100, mick crane wrote:

> On 2019-05-07 19:40, Dan Purgert wrote:
> 
> > Mainly the "pushbutton scan" and other fancy scanning options from the
> > "usb driver" -- I mean, I can walk over to the thing, and hit the "scan
> > to SFTP" button and get a PDF, but that's about the extent of my "scan
> > back to a PC" ability.  There are also a couple of "on the printer"
> > options that require a windows compter (although, thinking about it,
> > those may be more like "scan to SMB share").
> > 
> > But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.
> 
> I was having some trouble printing something from something or other a while
> back and I forget exactly how but was suggested to use google print or
> something that required you to give google access to your printer.
> Well I thought not.
> This cloud stuff ( everything just works ) seems all very well but so far I
> have managed to avoid it.

That's enormously interesting, but does not relate to this thread.
Perhaps a new post would be indicted.

-- 
Brian.

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#208371

On Tue 07 May 2019 at 18:40:15 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:

> > There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more. :)
> > Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are required.
> > One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion to the specific
> > printer language.
> 
> I have never pulled in the CUPSwrapper driver, and have never had a
> problem with the printer.

You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the

*NicKName

and

*cupsFilter

lines give when you look at the PPD.

> >> Some features may require that you've connected the printer via USB (I
> >> have a MFC-L8860CDW connected to the network that "loses" a lot of the
> >> "from the PC" functionality due to that).
> >
> > MFC-L8860CDW? What features are missing from network connected device?
> >
> Mainly the "pushbutton scan" and other fancy scanning options from the
> "usb driver" -- I mean, I can walk over to the thing, and hit the "scan
> to SFTP" button and get a PDF, but that's about the extent of my "scan
> back to a PC" ability.  There are also a couple of "on the printer"
> options that require a windows compter (although, thinking about it,
> those may be more like "scan to SMB share").
> 
> But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.

Thanks. Nothing to do with printing, of course.

-- 
Brian.

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#208418

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Brian wrote:
> On Tue 07 May 2019 at 18:40:15 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> > There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more. :)
>> > Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are required.
>> > One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion to the specific
>> > printer language.
>> 
>> I have never pulled in the CUPSwrapper driver, and have never had a
>> problem with the printer.
>
> You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the

hm, nope.

  $ ls /etc/cups/ppd
  ls: cannot access '/etc/cups/ppd': No such file or directory

>> [...]
>> But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.
>
> Thanks. Nothing to do with printing, of course.

Yup.  I think from the "printer" side of things, I lose the popups about
how much toner is left -- but then again, I might've chosen to turn them
off.


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#208434

On Wed 08 May 2019 at 18:00:01 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >
> > You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the
> 
> hm, nope.
> 
>   $ ls /etc/cups/ppd
>   ls: cannot access '/etc/cups/ppd': No such file or directory

Very interesting; cups-core-drivers is designed to install this
directory:

  dpkg -L cups-core-drivers | grep ppd

A broken system?

I also downloaded mfcj6920dwlpr-3.0.0-1.i386.deb (that's for Gene's
printer) and installed it with dpkg -i on a 32-bit stretch system.
No CUPSwrapper printer driver installed. I am unable to install a
print queue with the CUPS web interface, system-config-printer or
lpadmin. Gene managed it - why cannot I? And your printer also works
without a problem? Very puzzled.

-- 
Brian.

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#208457

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Brian wrote:
> On Wed 08 May 2019 at 18:00:01 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Brian wrote:
>> >
>> > You have a PPD in /etc/cups/ppd for the printer. What do the
>> 
>> hm, nope.
>> 
>>   $ ls /etc/cups/ppd
>>   ls: cannot access '/etc/cups/ppd': No such file or directory
>
> Very interesting; cups-core-drivers is designed to install this
> directory:
>
>   dpkg -L cups-core-drivers | grep ppd
>
> A broken system?

A system that is, as I said, not using CUPS.  Just basic LPRng. 

Everything is handled through this entry in /etc/printcap (well, and
thei Brother binary over there in /opt).

  lp|MFCL8850CDW:\
      :mx=0:\
      :sd=/var/spool/lpd/mfcl8850cdw:\
      :sh:\
      :rm=192.168.10.45:\
      :if=/opt/brother/Printers/mfcl8850cdw/lpd/filtermfcl8850cdw:


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#208378

On Tuesday 07 May 2019 02:40:15 pm Dan Purgert wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 07 May 2019 at 13:29:39 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:
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> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday 07 May 2019 05:28:26 am Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >>> [...]
> >> >>> Is that a lib/module I can install to a
> >> >>> 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1
> >> >>> kernel?
> >> >>
> >> >> Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for
> >> >> a different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a
> >> >> 64-bit machine).
> >> >>
> >> >> You didn't answer which printer it was, though.
> >> >
> >> > Brother MFC-J6920DW, it can handle up to 11x17 paper, handy when
> >>
> >> According to the driver install notes [1] (step2), there are some
> >> prereq procedures[2].  Prereq (5) on that page is for Debian /
> >> Ubuntu 64-bit machines.
> >>
> >> NOTE -- I just grabbed the LPR *deb package (as I prefer LPR over
> >> cups). You can go through the tool here[3] to select the
> >> cupswrapper driver, if you prefer.
> >
> > There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more.
> > :) Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are
> > required. One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion
> > to the specific printer language.
>
> I have never pulled in the CUPSwrapper driver, and have never had a
> problem with the printer.
>
> >> Some features may require that you've connected the printer via USB
> >> (I have a MFC-L8860CDW connected to the network that "loses" a lot
> >> of the "from the PC" functionality due to that).
> >
> > MFC-L8860CDW? What features are missing from network connected
> > device?
>
> Mainly the "pushbutton scan" and other fancy scanning options from the
> "usb driver" -- I mean, I can walk over to the thing, and hit the
> "scan to SFTP" button and get a PDF, but that's about the extent of my
> "scan back to a PC" ability.  There are also a couple of "on the
> printer" options that require a windows compter (although, thinking
> about it, those may be more like "scan to SMB share").
>
> But scan-to-pdf is perfectly acceptable for my scanning needs.

Or to a .jpeg, which generally satisfies my scanning needs. Or even a 
huge tiff if I'm going to OCR it. But I've not had to do that often 
enough its a habit, I have to learn how everytime. One of the hazards of 
old wet ram. :(

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208298

On Mon 06 May 2019 at 11:33:33 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 04:24:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 06 May 2019 at 09:43:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your interactive
> > > session.
> > >
> > > However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know whether
> > > that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the privileges
> > > directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.
> > 
> > It is required and conspicuously documented for all users, including
> > experienced ones, if they can be bothered to do read it. For example,
> > in the cups README.Debian.
> > 
> >   'Administration' is where you need to be to set up a local print queue.
> >   At some point you will be required to authenticate. A User Name of 'root'
> >   and root's password is always acceptable. Any other user must be a member
> >   of the lpadmin group.
> 
> I don't see any part of that paragraph that says whether you have to log
> out and back in, between adding yourself to the lpadmin group and using
> the CUPS web interface.

Surely no need to mention it? It is standard procedure after a user's
environment is changed.
 
> I've only ever used root for this, so I don't know from experience either.

Users without root privileges would have experienced it.

-- 
Brian.

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#208311

On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:

Ping?

> Greetings all;
>
> So web page in the sig is dark.
>
> Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the
> apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
>
> As root;
>
> Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
>
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line
> 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1
> of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>
> And indeed, there is no such module in that directory.  Fix??

I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has been 
resolved, so can we start over with this?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208315

On 06.05.19 20:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:

> I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has been 
> resolved, so can we start over with this?

There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have a
2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.

Best regards
Ulf

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#208320

Ulf Volmer wrote: 
> On 06.05.19 20:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has been 
> > resolved, so can we start over with this?
> 
> There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have a
> 2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.

That's easy: because the system was configured in wheezy or
earlier, was upgraded to jessie and continued working, and was
upgraded to stretch and stopped working.

-dsr-

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#208323

On 06.05.19 22:06, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Ulf Volmer wrote: 

>> There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have a
>> 2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.
> 
> That's easy: because the system was configured in wheezy or
> earlier, was upgraded to jessie and continued working, and was
> upgraded to stretch and stopped working.

In Jessie was also an apache 2.4 version.

Best regards
Ulf

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#208329

On Monday 06 May 2019 04:06:43 pm Dan Ritter wrote:

> Ulf Volmer wrote:
> > On 06.05.19 20:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has
> > > been resolved, so can we start over with this?
> >
> > There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have
> > a 2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.
>
> That's easy: because the system was configured in wheezy or
> earlier, was upgraded to jessie and continued working, and was
> upgraded to stretch and stopped working.
>
> -dsr-

No jessie. New stretch install on a new drive, data all copied over from 
the old drive. And data apparently included /etc/apache2 since I did 
want to keep the .conf file there. There are some things in it that help 
put it in a rights sandbox. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208338

On Mon 06 May 2019 at 17:29:01 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 06 May 2019 04:06:43 pm Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Ulf Volmer wrote:
> > > On 06.05.19 20:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has
> > > > been resolved, so can we start over with this?
> > >
> > > There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have
> > > a 2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.
> >
> > That's easy: because the system was configured in wheezy or
> > earlier, was upgraded to jessie and continued working, and was
> > upgraded to stretch and stopped working.
> >
> > -dsr-
> 
> No jessie. New stretch install on a new drive, data all copied over from 
> the old drive. And data apparently included /etc/apache2 since I did 
> want to keep the .conf file there. There are some things in it that help 
> put it in a rights sandbox.

Wholesale copying of data from one machine to another has caused trouble
for this user in the past. Some more documentation to criticise:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/en/upgrading.html

 > These modules have been removed: mod_authn_default,
 > mod_authz_default, mod_mem_cache. If you were using
 > mod_mem_cache in 2.2, look at mod_cache_disk in 2.4.

-- 
Brian.

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#208328

On Monday 06 May 2019 03:16:08 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:

> On 06.05.19 20:10, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > I had other problems that overshadowed this, but much of that has
> > been resolved, so can we start over with this?
>
> There was already a reply from me. You have to explain why you have a
> 2.2 apache config on a debian stretch system.
>
> Best regards
> Ulf

Thats not at all difficult, the whole /var/www directory was copied over 
from the wheezy 32 bit install.  The /etc/apache2 tree waas NOT copied, 
but the evidences says otherwise. Same machine, new 2T drive. I think 
some perms got blown away in copying from /opt to /opt, some of that 
which for space reasons, lives in /opt from back when /var was a 
separate partition.  So every time I ran it, I just nuked the module it 
complained about.  So now the main page is working. I still need to go 
fix the owner:group in some of its links.  You can now see it in the 
link in the sig I hope. Yup, its running.

Thanks Ulf.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208318

On Sunday 05 May 2019 12:56:27 pm Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> So web page in the sig is dark.
>
> Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the
> apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
>
> As root;
>
> Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
>
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line
> 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1
> of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>
> And indeed, there is no such module in that directory.  Fix??
>
> Thanks all;
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Well, I got that working, but some links are forbidden now. I suspect 
some perms got bollixed in copying from the old drive.  I need to do 
some maintenance anyway, so thats for later fine tuning and updateing, 
which it sorely needs anyway. But at least you can see our ancient mugs 
at the link in the sig.

Now to a different kettle of fish, amanda, the backup proggy.  But thats 
going to need some naproxin sodium to sort, it won't build on stretch.  
And its been sold to betsol, who has hidden the gpl code behind a 
paywall. Wish me good luck, this sale caught all the users by surprise.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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