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Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster.

Started byKieran Smyth <kieranx451.alt@gmail.com>
First post2019-04-15 07:30 +0200
Last post2019-04-27 22:40 +0200
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  Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Kieran Smyth <kieranx451.alt@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 07:30 +0200
    Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-15 08:10 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-04-15 09:20 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-15 10:00 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-04-15 15:20 +0200
          Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-04-15 22:00 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-15 09:20 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-15 09:50 +0200
          Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-15 10:00 +0200
            Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-15 10:20 +0200
              Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-04-15 10:30 +0200
              Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-15 13:40 +0200
                Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-15 14:00 +0200
                  Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-15 14:10 +0200
                Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-15 18:50 +0200
                  Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-15 19:20 +0200
              Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-15 16:30 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-04-15 10:40 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Kieran Smyth <kieranx451.alt@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 19:20 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Thomas D Dial <tdial@acm.org> - 2019-04-16 03:00 +0200
    Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:50 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-04-15 10:20 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 12:40 +0200
          Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-04-15 13:10 +0200
            Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 05:40 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-04-29 03:40 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-27 11:20 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2019-04-27 12:00 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-04-27 20:50 +0200
        Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-29 22:40 +0200
    Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2019-04-15 12:10 +0200
      Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-15 18:30 +0200
    Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-04-27 22:40 +0200

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#207459

FromKeith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-15 09:50 +0200
Message-ID<xN4xj-Ur-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207452
Good afternoon All


I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.


How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?



Keith Bainbridge

keithrbau@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468
On 15/4/19 3:24 pm, Kieran Smyth wrote:
> 
> For reasons unknown to me, synaptic uninstalled itself about three weeks 
> ago. I am using Buster on the desktop, with MATE as my desktop environment.

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#207462

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-04-15 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<xN50l-1jQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:32:47 +1000
Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Keith,

>I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.
>How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?

Removal occurred because of otherwise unresolvable conflicts. In this
case, with Wayland.  OP apparently didn't notice Synaptic was to be
removed, and proceeded with the upgrade.

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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I must be hallucinating, watching angels celebrating
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#207470

FromKeith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-15 12:40 +0200
Message-ID<xN7bQ-2xC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207462
On 15/4/19 6:12 pm, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:32:47 +1000
> Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Keith,
> 
>> I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.
>> How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?
> 
> Removal occurred because of otherwise unresolvable conflicts. In this
> case, with Wayland.  OP apparently didn't notice Synaptic was to be
> removed, and proceeded with the upgrade.
> 


So if I don't install Wayland, I should not loose synaptic - for those 
odd times I need it to help me find something?

And the manual installation I did on my vbox test machine should be OK?


Thanks



Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#207473

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-04-15 13:10 +0200
Message-ID<xN7ER-2Yr-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:12:34 +1000
Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Keith,

>So if I don't install Wayland, I should not loose synaptic - for those 
>odd times I need it to help me find something?

That /would/ have been the case, yes.  Not so now; Synaptic is no longer
available in testing.  You can, of course, d/l synaptic (the version
in sid is currently the same as the one that's been deleted from
testing) and install using dpkg.

If you're happy to use snapshot.debian, you can re-install Synaptic that
way.  Be sure to disable the relevant repo entry as soon as you've
performed the installation. 

>And the manual installation I did on my vbox test machine should be OK?

That I have no idea about.  Sorry.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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#207529

FromKeith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-16 05:40 +0200
Message-ID<xNn6V-42V-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207473

On 15/4/19 8:59 pm, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:12:34 +1000
> Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Keith,
> 
>> So if I don't install Wayland, I should not loose synaptic - for those
>> odd times I need it to help me find something?
> 
> That /would/ have been the case, yes.  Not so now; Synaptic is no longer
> available in testing.  You can, of course, d/l synaptic (the version
> in sid is currently the same as the one that's been deleted from
> testing) and install using dpkg.
> 
> If you're happy to use snapshot.debian, you can re-install Synaptic that
> way.  Be sure to disable the relevant repo entry as soon as you've
> performed the installation.
> 
>> And the manual installation I did on my vbox test machine should be OK?
> 
> That I have no idea about.  Sorry.
> 


Thanks Brad

At least 1 friend and I will be watching with interest



Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#207959

FromJimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-29 03:40 +0200
Message-ID<xS3qV-3WU-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207462
On 04/15/2019 01:12 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:32:47 +1000
> Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Keith,
> 
>> I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.
>> How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?
> 
> Removal occurred because of otherwise unresolvable conflicts. In this
> case, with Wayland.  OP apparently didn't notice Synaptic was to be
> removed, and proceeded with the upgrade.


Apt-auto-remove could remove it, me, while upgrading would use synaptic 
to mark synaptic as not being auto-installed then it would become a 
local installed package and would not be removed.  there's another 
package in buster repos called "upgrade-system" that needs to be fixed 
or removed, I use it because it runs deborphan after doing a 
full/dist-upgrade, I think it may now be dead, also deborphan and 
gtkorphan cause it uses gksu, I don't think users are allowed that kind 
of power any longer. I ran one package and it said I needed to be Wheel, 
so I installed kuser to add me as wheel, while trying to use kuser I got 
command not found.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

14.2 - KDE - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 - Registered Linux User #380263

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#207898

FromKeith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-27 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<xRrEZ-6q1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207459
On 15/4/19 5:32 pm, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> Good afternoon All
> 
> 
> I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.
> 
> 
> How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Bainbridge
> 
> keithrbau@gmail.com
> +61 (0)447 667 468
> On 15/4/19 3:24 pm, Kieran Smyth wrote:
>>
>> For reasons unknown to me, synaptic uninstalled itself about three 
>> weeks ago. I am using Buster on the desktop, with MATE as my desktop 
>> environment.
> 

I haven't seen anything on this topic lately

I noticed when I ran apt-get upgrade that synaptic was updated.

Does this mean it is now generally available, or just that my manual 
install updated?

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#207899

FromFrank <zuiderduin@gmx.com>
Date2019-04-27 12:00 +0200
Message-ID<xRshH-6Dc-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207898
Op 27-04-19 om 10:56 schreef Keith Bainbridge:
> I haven't seen anything on this topic lately
>
> I noticed when I ran apt-get upgrade that synaptic was updated.
>
> Does this mean it is now generally available, or just that my manual
> install updated?

It's back: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic

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#207914

FromJonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>
Date2019-04-27 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<xRAyB-3cs-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Quoting Keith Bainbridge (2019-04-27 10:56:31)
> On 15/4/19 5:32 pm, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> > Good afternoon All
> > 
> > 
> > I'm more intrigued that synaptic reportedly removed itself.
> > 
> > 
> > How is this possible, or did some other package force its removal?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith Bainbridge
> > 
> > keithrbau@gmail.com
> > +61 (0)447 667 468
> > On 15/4/19 3:24 pm, Kieran Smyth wrote:
> >>
> >> For reasons unknown to me, synaptic uninstalled itself about three 
> >> weeks ago. I am using Buster on the desktop, with MATE as my desktop 
> >> environment.
> > 
> 
> I haven't seen anything on this topic lately
> 
> I noticed when I ran apt-get upgrade that synaptic was updated.
> 
> Does this mean it is now generally available, or just that my manual 
> install updated?

It is generally available in Buster now.

Buster is still being developed, so no guarantee what exactly it will 
contain yet.  You can follow state of the package here: 
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic


 - Jonas

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#207989

FromFrancisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br>
Date2019-04-29 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<xSle9-6DT-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Hello!

On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 18:56 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> I haven't seen anything on this topic lately
> 
> I noticed when I ran apt-get upgrade that synaptic was updated.
> 
> Does this mean it is now generally available, or just that my manual 
> install updated?

	Yes. As I mentioned back then, there was a workaround in the
works from the package maintainers. Synaptic still doesn't work in
Wayland (and it's probably gonna be a while before it does) but now it
exits with a warning. You can check for details in the BTS: 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818366

-- 
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[]'s,

Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br>

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#207469

FromDominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com>
Date2019-04-15 12:10 +0200
Message-ID<xN6IN-2nJ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207452
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 01:24 -0400, Kieran Smyth wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For reasons unknown to me, synaptic uninstalled itself about three
> weeks ago. I am using Buster on the desktop, with MATE as my desktop
> environment.
>
> When i open up a terminal and try to re-install it, i get the
> following-
> SNIP
>
> I like using a GUI frontend to apt, and if anyone can help me get it
> back on my system i'd really appreciate it.
>
> Thank you in advance for any help that may be provided.
>
> - Kieran

The good news is that someone has filed a patch that works around these
issues with Wayland. So it should be back for other GUI users with a
failure message for Wayland users once it is passed through
experimental (in time for Buster release).

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#207511

FromFrancisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br>
Date2019-04-15 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<xNcEx-5Yw-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 11:06 +0100, Dominic Knight wrote:
> The good news is that someone has filed a patch that works around these
> issues with Wayland. So it should be back for other GUI users with a
> failure message for Wayland users once it is passed through
> experimental (in time for Buster release).

	Apparently the fix is moving forward and Synaptic might make it back
into testing, according to what I've seen in the release mailing list[1].

[1]https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2019/04/msg00635.html


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[]'s,

Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br>

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#207915

FromJimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Date2019-04-27 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<xRCh3-4gJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#207452
On 4/14/19 10:24 PM, Kieran Smyth wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For reasons unknown to me, synaptic uninstalled itself about three weeks
> ago. I am using Buster on the desktop, with MATE as my desktop environment.
> 
> When i open up a terminal and try to re-install it, i get the following-
> 
> # apt update
> Hit:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> Hit:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
> Hit:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> All packages are up to date.
> 
> 
> # apt install synaptic
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> 
> E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate
> 
> 
> /etc/apt/sources.list is the following-
> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib
> non-free
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main contrib
> non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main
> contrib non-free
> 
> 
> I like using a GUI frontend to apt, and if anyone can help me get it back
> on my system i'd really appreciate it.
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help that may be provided.

If I was you, I would remove the buster-updates sources, keeping main 
and security and add stretch main and security sources and install 
Synaptic.  Works great for me.  It seems only a few users and even less 
developers know the power of Synaptic, it's ability's are great and 
there is no replacement for Synaptic.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Current - KDE4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263

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