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  OT Calibre Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2019-04-22 22:00 +0200
    Re: OT Calibre Andrea Borgia <andrea@borgia.bo.it> - 2019-04-22 22:00 +0200
      Re: OT Calibre Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-04-22 22:10 +0200
        Re: OT Calibre Jack Dangler <tdldev@gmail.com> - 2019-04-22 23:20 +0200
          Re: OT Calibre Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2019-04-23 00:00 +0200
            Re: OT Calibre Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2019-04-23 01:10 +0200
              Re: OT Calibre David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-23 15:10 +0200
                Re: OT Calibre Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-04-23 16:20 +0200
        Re: OT Calibre Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-04-22 23:20 +0200
          Re: OT Calibre Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2019-04-23 13:10 +0200
          Re: OT Calibre Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-23 15:30 +0200
            Re: OT Calibre Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-04-23 16:00 +0200
              Re: OT Calibre Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-23 18:20 +0200
        Re: OT Calibre Andrea Borgia <andrea@borgia.bo.it> - 2019-04-23 10:50 +0200

#207775 — OT Calibre

Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?

Thank youse.


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#207776

Il 22/04/19 21:51, Bob Bernstein ha scritto:
> Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?

It seems there's no specific quit button but I can close it without 
problems by clicking the "X" button at the top right corner of the 
window (using xfce4).

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#207777

On 22/04/2019 20:58, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Il 22/04/19 21:51, Bob Bernstein ha scritto:
>> Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?
>
> It seems there's no specific quit button but I can close it without
> problems by clicking the "X" button at the top right corner of the
> window (using xfce4).
>

Hmm,  from a UX / UI viewpoint won't new users expect a close / quit
button or menu option,  ? 


Paul

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#207779

On 4/22/19 5:10 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:01:40PM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote:
>> On 22/04/2019 20:58, Andrea Borgia wrote:
>>> Il 22/04/19 21:51, Bob Bernstein ha scritto:
>>>> Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?
>>> It seems there's no specific quit button but I can close it without
>>> problems by clicking the "X" button at the top right corner of the
>>> window (using xfce4).
>>>
>> Hmm,  from a UX / UI viewpoint won't new users expect a close / quit
>> button or menu option,  ?
>>
> I don't think so.  I just started using it a few months ago and I
> actually never noticed the absence of close/quit menu options and/or
> buttons until reading this thread.  I find that the toolbar layout works
> really well, and naturally supports clicking the "X" in the top of the
> window border to close/quit.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
And there's the other kill switch... kill -KILL ... that should make it 
quit.

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#207781

Jack Dangler:
> Roberto C. Sánchez:
> > Paul Sutton:
> > > Andrea Borgia:
> > > > Bob Bernstein:
> > > > > Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?
> > > >
> > > > It seems there's no specific quit button but I can close it
> > > > without problems by clicking the "X" button at the top right
> > > > corner of the window (using xfce4).
> > >
> > > Hmm,  from a UX / UI viewpoint won't new users expect a close /
> > > quit button or menu option,  ?
> >
> > I don't think so.  I just started using it a few months ago and I
> > actually never noticed the absence of close/quit menu options and/or
> > buttons until reading this thread.  I find that the toolbar layout
> > works really well, and naturally supports clicking the "X" in the
> > top of the window border to close/quit.
>
> And there's the other kill switch... kill -KILL ... that should make
> it quit.

Even simpler: Ctrl-Q makes it quit.  (Calibre 3.39.1, testing)

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#207782

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019, Siard wrote:

> Even simpler: Ctrl-Q makes it quit.  (Calibre 3.39.1, 
> testing)

Egad! Who knew? I trust that is documented in some easily 
accessible reference document, yes?

Thank you!

-- 
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#207791

On Mon 22 Apr 2019 at 19:00:14 (-0400), Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019, Siard wrote:
> 
> > Even simpler: Ctrl-Q makes it quit.  (Calibre 3.39.1, testing)
> 
> Egad! Who knew? I trust that is documented in some easily accessible
> reference document, yes?

Off the top of my head, the only application that doesn't respond to
either q or ^Q is evince, which seems only to react to ^W.

As ^W is quite frequently used for Close Window, that seems just about
adequate. I presume this role is documented in some sort of Desktop
Usability Guide but if not, you're likely to stumble on it when your
typing skills accidentally fail (QWERTY…).
 
Cheers,
David.

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#207797

David Wright (12019-04-23):
> As ^W is quite frequently used for Close Window

I wish they remembered that ^W was used almost forever to erase a word
backward in ttys before they hijacked it.

How many times did I accidentally close a browser window after typing a
long text in a form...

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#207780

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:01:40PM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote:
> 
> On 22/04/2019 20:58, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> > Il 22/04/19 21:51, Bob Bernstein ha scritto:
> >> Where is the 'Quit' or 'Exit' button in Calibre's gui?
> >
> > It seems there's no specific quit button but I can close it without
> > problems by clicking the "X" button at the top right corner of the
> > window (using xfce4).
> >
> 
> Hmm,  from a UX / UI viewpoint won't new users expect a close / quit
> button or menu option,  ? 
> 
I don't think so.  I just started using it a few months ago and I
actually never noticed the absence of close/quit menu options and/or
buttons until reading this thread.  I find that the toolbar layout works
really well, and naturally supports clicking the "X" in the top of the
window border to close/quit.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#207787

On Monday, 22 Apr 2019 at 17:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> I don't think so.  I just started using it a few months ago and I
> actually never noticed the absence of close/quit menu options and/or
> buttons until reading this thread.  

I've been using calibre for years and never noticed either! :-)

I just leave it running as it serves books to my ebook reader.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.2.3 on Debian buster/sid

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#207792

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 05:10:49PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:01:40PM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote:
>> Hmm,  from a UX / UI viewpoint won't new users expect a close / quit
>> button or menu option,  ? 
>>
>I don't think so.  I just started using it a few months ago and I
>actually never noticed the absence of close/quit menu options and/or
>buttons until reading this thread.  I find that the toolbar layout works
>really well, and naturally supports clicking the "X" in the top of the
>window border to close/quit.

I hadn't noticed the absence either…

Since the 'X' is drawn/owned by the window manager (traditionally, I realise
GTK are moving in a different direction), it's not necessarily the case that
the window manager actually provides it at all… it is a little odd for an app
to not provide its own means of gracefully closing (the WM can do little more
than send a sig TERM). As another has discovered, there's at least CTRL+Q for
Calibre.

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#207794

Jonathan Dowland (12019-04-23):
> Since the 'X' is drawn/owned by the window manager (traditionally, I realise
> GTK are moving in a different direction)

Another reason to fork Gtk.

> (the WM can do little more than send a sig TERM)

There are many things the WM can do, and it almost never send a SIGTERM.
Search WM_DELETE_WINDOW in the ICCCM.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#207805

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 03:37:14PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>> (the WM can do little more than send a sig TERM)
>
>There are many things the WM can do, and it almost never send a SIGTERM.
>Search WM_DELETE_WINDOW in the ICCCM.

I'll just take your word for it, thanks.

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#207785

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 Most definitely, yes.
I had a look and there seems to be no bugreport about this, yet:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre

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