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  BUSTER install - CATCH-22 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-03-31 15:30 +0200
    Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22 didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 10:00 +0200
      Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-04-01 14:30 +0200
    Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-04-03 15:30 +0200
      Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22] Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:50 +0200
      Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-04-03 15:50 +0200
      Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-03 16:10 +0200

#206829 — BUSTER install - CATCH-22

I wish to install Buster on a machine with essentially *NO* internet 
connectivity.
I downloaded the DVD1 ISO on my primary machine [creates secondary 
problem of being up against data cap].
The installation, having put the DVD1 ISO on a flash drive, encountered 
no problems

*HOWEVER* I need several packages [gparted, tcl, tk] which are in the 
DVD image.

Synaptic is unable to install them:
   1. sources.list refers to a non-existent physical DVD.
   2. the default installation has no way of informing Synaptic
      that it should look for an alternate iso image.
   3. modifying sources.list was unsuccessful

I added the line
> deb "file:/media/richard/Debian testing amd64 1/debian" buster contrib main

to the beginning of sources.list .

The Synaptic error message when attempting
    Edit --> Reload Package Information
was
  > Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 
'/media/richard/Debian testing amd64 1/debian/dists/buster/InRelease' 
couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission 
denied)The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Buster_ - 
Official Snapshot amd64 DVD Binary-1 20190327-09:46] buster Release' 
does not have a Release file.Updating from such a repository can't be 
done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.See apt-secure(8) 
manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.The 
repository 'file:/media/richard/Debian testing amd64 1/debian buster 
Release' is not signed.

This is unacceptable when installation via an iso image on a flash drive 
is becoming more and more common.

What package(s) to file bug(s) against?
Was the syntax of the line added to sources.list correct?
How to work around the permission issues in the error message?
    Ran into something similar when Squeeze was current.
    I haven't found my correspondence from that time to
    see if it covers current situation.

TIA

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#206857

Le 31/03/2019 à 15:28, Richard Owlett a écrit :
[...]
> I added the line
>> deb "file:/media/richard/Debian testing amd64 1/debian" buster contrib
>> main
> 
> to the beginning of sources.list .
[...]
> This is unacceptable when installation via an iso image on a flash drive
> is becoming more and more common.
> 
> What package(s) to file bug(s) against?
[...]

This is unacceptable not to read the apt-cdrom manpage ;-)
The package to file a bug against is CTK ;-)

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#206868

On 04/01/2019 02:51 AM, didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 31/03/2019 à 15:28, Richard Owlett a écrit :
> [...]
>> I added the line
>>> deb "file:/media/richard/Debian testing amd64 1/debian" buster contrib
>>> main
>>
>> to the beginning of sources.list .
> [...]
>> This is unacceptable when installation via an iso image on a flash drive
>> is becoming more and more common.
>>
>> What package(s) to file bug(s) against?
> [...]
> 
> This is unacceptable not to read the apt-cdrom manpage ;-)

No indication it refers to anything but mechanical drive.


> The package to file a bug against is CTK ;-)
> 
> 
> 

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#206919 — Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22]

Rather than quote my original post, I'll restate the underlying problem.

In the beginning, Joe Average would obtain Debian on a set of physical 
installation CDs. He boots from it. The installer does it's thing. 
Later, desiring additional software, he inserts the same CD and allows 
Synaptic to do it's thing.

Time passes. Joe obtains a USB flash drive whose content is an image of 
the installation CD/DVD. It came with instructions on how to boot from 
it. The installer does it's thing. Later, wanting additional software, 
he inserts the flash drive. Synaptic tells him to insert a non-existent 
CD/DVD in a possibly non-existent drive.

At this point, the same cognoscenti who bemoan Linux lacking market 
penetration tell him to go read some techie manuals and perform arcane 
incantations. As true ostriches they insist the problem is "operator error".


I was going to document here the work-a-round I successfully used 
yesterday to install desired additional packages.

Before doing so, I attempted to duplicate the steps performed yesterday. 
I received a strange error message. I suspect I know the source of the 
problem(s). It will take at least a day to document.

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#206921 — Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22]

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On Wed, Apr 3, 2019, 8:26 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>
> At this point, the same cognoscenti who bemoan Linux lacking market
> penetration tell him to go read some techie manuals and perform arcane
> incantations. As true ostriches they insist the problem is "operator
> error".
>

This is a misperception. Linux rules the data center, not the desktop.
Therefore the vast bulk of Linux installs are not done this way. Instead,
entirely by network. I haven't heard anyone else complain about the mount
message I don't believe.

Now I think that the specific volume information displayed is just the text
in sources.list. So perhaps you could replace it with your desired text.

I was going to document here the work-a-round I successfully used
> yesterday to install desired additional packages.
>
> Before doing so, I attempted to duplicate the steps performed yesterday.
> I received a strange error message. I suspect I know the source of the
> problem(s). It will take at least a day to document.
>
>
>

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#206922 — Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22]

Richard Owlett writes:
> At this point, the same cognoscenti who bemoan Linux lacking market
> penetration tell him to go read some techie manuals and perform arcane
> incantations. As true ostriches they insist the problem is "operator
> error".

This is a good way to not get any help.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#206924 — Re: Systemic Debian bug -- was [Re: BUSTER install - CATCH-22]

On 2019-04-03, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> I was going to document here the work-a-round I successfully used 
> yesterday to install desired additional packages.

There's a bug report concerning this from 2014.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745381

In that thread our very own Brian P. states:

 It would appear that on Wheezy it is necessary for '--no-auto-detect'
 to be added to the apt-cdrom command to get sources.list written to.

 On Jessie 'sudo apt-cdrom -d /media/usb0 add' works with or without
 this option.

I guess the above holds true for Stretch and Buster, buster (but it's only a
guess)?

> Before doing so, I attempted to duplicate the steps performed yesterday. 
> I received a strange error message. I suspect I know the source of the 
> problem(s). It will take at least a day to document.
>
>
>


-- 
“Let us again pretend that life is a solid substance, shaped like a globe,
which we turn about in our fingers. Let us pretend that we can make out a plain
and logical story, so that when one matter is despatched--love for instance--
we go on, in an orderly manner, to the next.” - Virginia Woolf, The Waves

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