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  Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-10 22:20 +0200
    Re: Sound in Stretch Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-09-10 22:30 +0200
      Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-10 22:40 +0200
        Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 23:00 +0200
          Re: Sound in Stretch arne <sp113438@telfort.nl> - 2018-09-10 23:30 +0200
            Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-11 00:00 +0200
              Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-11 00:00 +0200
                Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 08:30 +0200
              Re: Sound in Stretch Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-09-11 15:00 +0200
                Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-12 22:30 +0200
                  Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 23:30 +0200
            Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 08:20 +0200
              Re: Sound in Stretch Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-11 09:30 +0200
                Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 11:40 +0200
            Re: Sound in Stretch Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-09-12 21:20 +0200
        Re: Sound in Stretch <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-10 23:00 +0200
          Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-11 00:00 +0200
            Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 08:30 +0200
              Re: Sound in Stretch Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-11 09:50 +0200
              Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-11 11:00 +0200
                Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 11:30 +0200
                Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:40 +0200
                  Re: Sound in Stretch Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-13 10:20 +0200
                    Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-13 12:40 +0200
                      Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-09-13 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 19:50 +0200
                          Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-13 21:50 +0200
                            Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-13 22:10 +0200
                              Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-14 00:10 +0200
      Re: Sound in Stretch Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 03:30 +0200
    Re: Sound in Stretch Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-11 00:00 +0200
      Re: Sound in Stretch deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 08:40 +0200
        Re: Sound in Stretch Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-11 09:50 +0200

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#199976

Joe wrote:

> Is there conceivably an issue in Stretch of having USB sound but no
> on-board sound? Is that causing the boot process not to build the sound
> infrastructure properly? There is a spare PCIe slot, but it's tiny, and
> I'm not sure I can get a cheap card that will physically fit.

I do not think it is required to have any audio device. Your use case should
work, but it might be a kernel/driver issue - don't have time to check now,
but you can check if the device is supported in the kernel you have now.

then it should work when plugged in (udev etc).

many things changes since wheezy


regards

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#200081

Joe wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:23:58 +0200
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

I also found this
http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/10/04/how-to-get-usb-sound-adapter-0d8c000c-working-as-primary-sound-card-in-debian-linux/


When I googled, I was adviced to try without USB hub. So I directly
connected to Server without using external USB hub… but no improvement. I
don’t have any other audio device (not even internal audio card).
Debian Squeeze does not come with alsaconf utility to detect and install the
necessary modules. It is done automatically. In my case it loads all
modules and also there is no error message while starting ALSA at startup.
Then I looked at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. I noticed the
following at end of file.

    # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
    options snd-usb-audio index=-2

I just caught the culprit. Basically these external USB sound adapters are
used as secondary audio device, the above setting prohibits USB sound
adapter being set as default device. In my case, it is a primary audio
device, so I set it’s index as 0 as shown below.

    # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
    options snd-usb-audio index=0

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#200083

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:36:20 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:23:58 +0200
> > deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> I also found this
> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/10/04/how-to-get-usb-sound-adapter-0d8c000c-working-as-primary-sound-card-in-debian-linux/
> 
> 
> When I googled, I was adviced to try without USB hub. So I directly
> connected to Server without using external USB hub… but no
> improvement. I don’t have any other audio device (not even internal
> audio card). Debian Squeeze does not come with alsaconf utility to
> detect and install the necessary modules. It is done automatically.
> In my case it loads all modules and also there is no error message
> while starting ALSA at startup. Then I looked
> at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. I noticed the following at
> end of file.
> 
>     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
>     options snd-usb-audio index=-2
> 
> I just caught the culprit. Basically these external USB sound
> adapters are used as secondary audio device, the above setting
> prohibits USB sound adapter being set as default device. In my case,
> it is a primary audio device, so I set it’s index as 0 as shown below.
> 
>     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
>     options snd-usb-audio index=0
> 
> 

Well done, thank you for your time and effort. So my wild guess was
right, then? There was a clue in that the USB device was being
allocated as sound card 1, with no sound card 0. As I posted a few
weeks ago, it's probably a year or more since I had any sound
trouble, and I'd forgotten that the count was 0-based. But it's good
that there's an easier way than buying another sound card.

I'm pushed for time right now, but I'll try this later today.

-- 
Joe

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#200088 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:12:33 +0100
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:36:20 +0200
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> 

> >  Then I looked
> > at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. I noticed the following at
> > end of file.
> > 
> >     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> >     options snd-usb-audio index=-2

I would guess that this is also a default somewhere else, maybe
hardcoded, because I don't have it but do have the problem.

> > 
> > I just caught the culprit. Basically these external USB sound
> > adapters are used as secondary audio device, the above setting
> > prohibits USB sound adapter being set as default device. In my case,
> > it is a primary audio device, so I set it’s index as 0 as shown
> > below.
> > 
> >     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> >     options snd-usb-audio index=0
 
> 
> Well done, thank you for your time and effort. 

OK, nothing in /etc/modprobe.d (this was a clean minimal installation)
so I made a file, put in that line and rebooted.

All OK now, speaker-test and alsamixer are working, I'll get around to
loading my sound player software when I have more time. Thank you again.

I presume this is a minor bug, a USB card really should not be forced
not to be card 0 if there is no other candidate.

-- 
Joe

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#200089 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

For screen reader users with only usb sound available, this is a show
stopper.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Joe wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:34:23
> From: Joe <joe@jretrading.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]
> Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:34:40 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:12:33 +0100
> Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:36:20 +0200
> > deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > >  Then I looked
> > > at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. I noticed the following at
> > > end of file.
> > >
> > >     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> > >     options snd-usb-audio index=-2
>
> I would guess that this is also a default somewhere else, maybe
> hardcoded, because I don't have it but do have the problem.
>
> > >
> > > I just caught the culprit. Basically these external USB sound
> > > adapters are used as secondary audio device, the above setting
> > > prohibits USB sound adapter being set as default device. In my case,
> > > it is a primary audio device, so I set it?s index as 0 as shown
> > > below.
> > >
> > >     # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> > >     options snd-usb-audio index=0
>
> >
> > Well done, thank you for your time and effort.
>
> OK, nothing in /etc/modprobe.d (this was a clean minimal installation)
> so I made a file, put in that line and rebooted.
>
> All OK now, speaker-test and alsamixer are working, I'll get around to
> loading my sound player software when I have more time. Thank you again.
>
> I presume this is a minor bug, a USB card really should not be forced
> not to be card 0 if there is no other candidate.
>
>

-- 

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#200095 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

Jude DaShiell wrote:

> For screen reader users with only usb sound available, this is a show
> stopper.

I see it as a temporary resolution. I think this should be reported and
developers should come it a fix. Do we know that other usb audio devices
suffer the same?

regards

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#200097 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:47:01 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > For screen reader users with only usb sound available, this is a
> > show stopper.  
> 
> I see it as a temporary resolution. I think this should be reported
> and developers should come it a fix. Do we know that other usb audio
> devices suffer the same?
> 

I've submitted a bug report.

-- 
Joe

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#200098 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

On Thu 13 Sep 2018 at 20:48:35 +0100, Joe wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:47:01 +0200
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > 
> > > For screen reader users with only usb sound available, this is a
> > > show stopper.  
> > 
> > I see it as a temporary resolution. I think this should be reported
> > and developers should come it a fix. Do we know that other usb audio
> > devices suffer the same?
> > 
> 
> I've submitted a bug report.

Bug number?

-- 
Brian.

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#200102 — Re: Sound in Stretch [SOLVED]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:03:36 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu 13 Sep 2018 at 20:48:35 +0100, Joe wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:47:01 +0200
> > deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >   
> > > > For screen reader users with only usb sound available, this is a
> > > > show stopper.    
> > > 
> > > I see it as a temporary resolution. I think this should be
> > > reported and developers should come it a fix. Do we know that
> > > other usb audio devices suffer the same?
> > >   
> > 
> > I've submitted a bug report.  
> 
> Bug number?
> 

908750.

I submitted it against the kernel, so reportbug included a great deal
of irrelevant information.

-- 
Joe

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#199957

On 09/10/2018 04:22 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:19:09PM +0100, Joe wrote:
>>
>> There's no alsa-base in Stretch.
>>
>> Should there be some other way of producing sounds?
> 
> If you're looking for alsamixer, it's in alsa-utils.  ALSA should just
> work out of the box for most users who skip the Desktop Environment
> during the installation (and therefore do not have to circumvent pulse).
> 
> The only steps required for most people are to install alsa-utils,
> run alsamixer, unmute the master channels, and raise the volume of the
> master channels above zero.


You have to do that even with pulse up and running. Ric


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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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#199954

On Mon 10 Sep 2018 at 21:19:09 +0100, Joe wrote:

> 
> There's no alsa-base in Stretch. 
> 
> Should there be some other way of producing sounds?

In jessie alsa-base has precisely two files:

 /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/changelog.gz
 /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/copyright

It is doubtful either of these is invovloved in the production of sound.

Also:

 https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/a/alsa-base/alsa-base_1.0.27+1_changelog

  * The still-useful bits of alsa-base (kmod configuration files) have moved
    to kmod itself in version 17-1. There is nothing of use left in
    alsa-base, so for jessie, it'll just become a dummy package that helps
    cleaning up its old conffiles. It will be dropped after the jessie
    release.

You obviously have some issue with sound but it is impossible to discover
what it is.

-- 
Brian.

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#199966

Brian wrote:

> alsa-base

in stretch there is no alsa-base

$ dpkg -l | grep alsa
ii  alsa-utils                              1.1.3-1                                    
amd64        Utilities for configuring and using ALSA
ii  gstreamer1.0-alsa:amd64                 1.10.4-1                                   
amd64        GStreamer plugin for ALSA
ii  libsox-fmt-alsa:amd64                   14.4.1-5+b2                                
amd64        SoX alsa format I/O library
ii  libzita-alsa-pcmi0:amd64                0.2.0-4                                    
amd64        C++ wrapper around the ALSA API

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#199970

On Tue 11 Sep 2018 at 08:27:02 +0200, deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> > alsa-base
> 
> in stretch there is no alsa-base

That isn't in dispute.

-- 
Brian.

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