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root on ZFS

Started byMimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com>
First post2018-09-11 10:50 +0200
Last post2018-09-13 05:00 +0200
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  root on ZFS Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 10:50 +0200
    Re: root on ZFS <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-11 11:10 +0200
      Re: root on ZFS Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 14:20 +0200
        Re: root on ZFS <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-11 14:50 +0200
        Re: root on ZFS Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-11 15:00 +0200
      Re: root on ZFS Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-11 14:50 +0200
        ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-11 20:10 +0200
          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-11 20:30 +0200
          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-09-11 20:40 +0200
          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-12 01:40 +0200
            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 05:40 +0200
              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 07:50 +0200
              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-12 11:20 +0200
                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2018-09-12 11:40 +0200
                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-12 21:00 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2018-09-12 21:40 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-12 23:00 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-09-13 00:00 +0200
                      Re: ext2 for /boot ??? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-14 05:30 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-09-14 06:10 +0200
                      Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-09-14 14:40 +0200
                        Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-09-14 14:50 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-14 17:10 +0200
                            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 18:30 +0200
                            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-14 20:00 +0200
                              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-15 00:50 +0200
                                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-15 08:50 +0200
                                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-15 18:00 +0200
                                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 00:00 +0200
                                      Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-09-16 00:50 +0200
                                        Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-17 20:10 +0200
                                          Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 20:20 +0200
                                            Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-18 20:10 +0200
                                          Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-09-19 05:00 +0200
                                            Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-19 17:50 +0200
                                            Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Igor Cicimov <icicimov@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 01:10 +0200
                                              Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 18:20 +0200
                                                Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-26 19:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 20:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-27 10:00 +0200
                                                    Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 17:40 +0200
                                                      Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Igor Cicimov <icicimov@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:10 +0200
                                                    Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 03:20 +0200
                                                      Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 08:50 +0200
                                                        Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-09-30 12:10 +0200
                                                          Re: Decrypting LUKS from initramfs; was: Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 23:40 +0200
                                      Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-26 11:20 +0200
                        Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-09-14 15:10 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-14 20:50 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-15 00:10 +0200
                            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-15 09:20 +0200
                              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 16:40 +0200
                              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-10-10 00:00 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-09-15 01:30 +0200
                        Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 15:20 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-09-14 16:50 +0200
                          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-09-14 19:30 +0200
                            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-09-14 22:20 +0200
                              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-09-15 08:50 +0200
                                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-15 10:10 +0200
                                  The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2018-09-15 10:20 +0200
                                    Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-15 10:50 +0200
                                      Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2018-09-15 11:30 +0200
                                        Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 16:50 +0200
                                          Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 19:00 +0200
                                            Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2018-09-18 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???) Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-15 12:50 +0200
                                    Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???) Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-15 12:50 +0200
                                      Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???) Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-15 13:00 +0200
                                        Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry etienne.mollier@mailoo.org - 2018-09-16 12:20 +0200
                        Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-26 11:10 +0200
                      Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-09-14 14:50 +0200
                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 06:40 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-14 17:40 +0200
                      Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-09-14 21:00 +0200
                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-26 11:10 +0200
            Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 08:10 +0200
              Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-12 08:20 +0200
                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 09:00 +0200
                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-09-12 11:20 +0200
                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-12 12:30 +0200
                Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-09-12 15:50 +0200
                  Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 17:40 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-09-12 18:00 +0200
                    Re: ext2 for /boot ??? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-12 18:30 +0200
          Re: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-12 09:50 +0200
        Re: root on ZFS Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 08:00 +0200
    Re: root on ZFS David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-09-12 02:40 +0200
      Re: root on ZFS Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-12 16:00 +0200
        Re: root on ZFS David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-09-13 04:30 +0200
          Re: root on ZFS Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-13 05:00 +0200

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#200048 — Re: ext2 for /boot ???

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2018-09-12 12:30 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ???
Message-ID<wxazf-6nB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200042
Brad Rogers composed on 2018-09-12 10:19 (UTC+0100):

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:18:46 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
>>If the filesystem is being written to less than 5 minutes per year,
>>what do you suppose the odds are that power could be lost during any
>>portion of that less

> I've had it happen to me.  The law of 'least convenient time for an event
> to occur' would make chances of power failure during /boot write high.

> It's the main reason I now use a UPS.

Power outages are frequent here, so I have 8 UPSes, not only to keep equipment
running, but to protect precious equipment whose replacement is fiscally if not
entirely impossible.
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#200053 — Re: ext2 for /boot ???

FromMichael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Date2018-09-12 15:50 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ???
Message-ID<wxdGN-87B-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200034
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 02:18:46AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>I want my boot partitions accessible no matter what I
>boot, even if it means booting using a Windows 98 floppy disk, attaching it via
>USB to a Mac, or booting an ancient PC running a pre-2.4 kernel. EXT2 has
>maximum backward compatibility.

There's no problem with having a personal quirk, as long as other people 
understand it's not good general advice that they should follow.

Mike Stone

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#200057 — Re: ext2 for /boot ???

FromGlenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-12 17:40 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ???
Message-ID<wxfpg-J3-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200053
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:49 PM Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 02:18:46AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> >I want my boot partitions accessible no matter what I
> >boot, even if it means booting using a Windows 98 floppy disk, attaching it via
> >USB to a Mac, or booting an ancient PC running a pre-2.4 kernel. EXT2 has
> >maximum backward compatibility.
>
> There's no problem with having a personal quirk, as long as other people
> understand it's not good general advice that they should follow.

I've been using EXT2 in /boot since I saw the recommendation in the
early days of EXT3. I haven't seem anyone suggest that in quite a
while, so I guess it's become a 'personal quirk' now.

But Felix talks about several boot partitions. I don't know, but
wouldn't >1 /boots confuse grub?

-- 
Glenn English

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#200058 — Re: ext2 for /boot ???

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2018-09-12 18:00 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ???
Message-ID<wxfIB-Pu-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200057

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:31:58 +0000
Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Glenn,

>But Felix talks about several boot partitions. I don't know, but
>wouldn't >1 /boots confuse grub?

He was, yes.  Nowhere did he say that any given machine had >1 boot
partition, though.

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#200060 — Re: ext2 for /boot ???

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2018-09-12 18:30 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ???
Message-ID<wxgbD-1dL-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200057
Glenn English composed on 2018-09-12 15:31 (UTC):

> But Felix talks about several boot partitions. I don't know, but
> wouldn't >1 /boots confuse grub?

Separate partitions that mount as /boot? Maybe if they were all in one PC on one
disk. My such are spread across lots of PCs. I do have lots of boot directories
per PC:

grub> find /boot/vmlinuz
find /boot/vmlinuz
 (hd0,2)
 (hd0,7)
 (hd0,9)
 (hd0,12)
 (hd0,13)
 (hd0,14)
 (hd0,15)
 (hd0,16)
 (hd0,17)
 (hd0,18)
 (hd0,19)
 (hd0,20)
 (hd0,21)
 (hd0,22)
 (hd0,23)
 (hd0,24)
 (hd0,25)
 (hd0,26)
 (hd0,27)
 (hd0,28)
 (hd0,29)
 (hd0,30)
[Hit return to continue]
                         (hd0,31)
 (hd0,36)
 (hd0,37)
 (hd0,38)
grub>       :)
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get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

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#200037 — Re: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2018-09-12 09:50 +0200
SubjectRe: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS
Message-ID<wx84p-4PH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200003
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 04:01:10AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/09/18 22:48, Matthew Crews wrote:
> > My recommendation is to use a separate /boot partition and make it EXT2.
> 
> Why not at least ext3?  I don't baulk at ext4 btw for /boot -- I can
> never understand why ext2 is recommended when ext4 gives no trouble and
> has other advantages, even ext3 has journaling that ext2 does not.

FWIW I tend to use ext4 without journal. And since the questions have
come up in this thread...

 - why no journal?
   It takes up space; it adds complexity. And it won't
   be there when you most need it anyway -- i.e. when
   GRUB tries to access it.
   But these are my two cent and mine alone. You can
   have 'em if you don't complain :-)

The other tendency here "ext2 is very old, don't use it" -- hm. I think
this is exaggerated. Ext2 is fine and stable for this use, and I don't
see any downsides (yet). Perhaps the day file system code gets significant
strengthening against malformed FS images, and *if* ext2 is left behind
in that effort... but it seems we're not there yet.

Cheers
- -- t
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#200031

FromMimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-12 08:00 +0200
Message-ID<wx6lY-3O4-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199985
On 11.09.2018 15:48, Matthew Crews wrote:
> My recommendation is to use a separate /boot partition and make it EXT2.

I'm planning on using ZFS as software raid on which I'll create vols. So it might be ext2, ext3, ext4.

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#200018

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-09-12 02:40 +0200
Message-ID<wx1mh-Qm-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199972
On 09/11/2018 01:42 AM, Mimiko wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Currently I use ZFS for making a pool of disks, but the system itself is 
> installed on 2 SSD disks using MD to mirror.
> 
> How is now ZFS on handling booting from ZFS mirror. Can I start use ZFS 
> as root filesystem on latest Debian? Is it stable on updates?
> 
> Thanks for suggestions.


Hello!  :-)


I have desired ZFS-on-root OOTB on Debian GNU/Linux stable for many years.


As you may already know, the ZFS license and the Linux license do not 
play nice together.  Thus,  many (most?) Linux distributions do not 
provide ZFS-on-root OOTB.


But, people want ZFS-on-root on their Linux distribution of choice.  So, 
people find and post work-arounds.  Matthew Crews has kindly posted what 
appears to be the current work-around for Debian Stretch (no, I haven't 
tried it):

 > See the ZFSOnLinux Wiki:

     https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Stretch-Root-on-ZFS


Grab a test box, a pair of SSD's, and give it a try.  Let us know how it 
works out (or not).


David


<OT>

1.  The easiest path that I have found for creating FOSS Un*x-like 
systems with ZFS OOTB is FreeBSD.  Beware that the BSD userland and root 
CSH are not GNU.


2.  I seem to recall that Ubuntu added ZFS OOTB a few years ago.  STFW, 
it looks like they currently also have a ZFS work-around:

	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS

     You might want to download the latest stable Ubuntu installer and 
give it a try.


</OT>

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#200054

FromMatthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com>
Date2018-09-12 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<wxdQt-8aJ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200018
On 9/11/18 5:30 PM, David Christensen wrote:

> But, people want ZFS-on-root on their Linux distribution of choice.  So, 
> people find and post work-arounds.  Matthew Crews has kindly posted what 
> appears to be the current work-around for Debian Stretch (no, I haven't 
> tried it):
> 
>  > See the ZFSOnLinux Wiki:
> 
>      https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Stretch-Root-on-ZFS
> 
> 
> Grab a test box, a pair of SSD's, and give it a try.  Let us know how it 
> works out (or not).

I've also successfully installed Debian Stretch on a LUKS-encrypted ZFS
root partition. The upcoming ZFS 0.8 will make LUKS unnecessary as it
will feature native ZFS encryption.

> 1.  The easiest path that I have found for creating FOSS Un*x-like 
> systems with ZFS OOTB is FreeBSD.  Beware that the BSD userland and root 
> CSH are not GNU.

Aside from FreeBSD, the Antergos Linux installer also lets you install
ZFS on root. I'm not sure how they worked out the licensing for that
one, but technically its something the end user can already do.

> 2.  I seem to recall that Ubuntu added ZFS OOTB a few years ago.  STFW, 
> it looks like they currently also have a ZFS work-around:
> 
> 	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
> 
>      You might want to download the latest stable Ubuntu installer and 
> give it a try.

Ubuntu's installer does not allow ZFS on root. The procedure for Ubuntu
on ZFS root is largely the same as Debian, with a few Ubuntu-specific
tweaks.

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#200077

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-09-13 04:30 +0200
Message-ID<wxpyi-6KV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200054
On 09/12/2018 06:56 AM, Matthew Crews wrote:
> On 9/11/18 5:30 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> 
>> Matthew Crews has kindly posted what
>> appears to be the current work-around for Debian Stretch (no, I haven't
>> tried it):
>>
>>   > See the ZFSOnLinux Wiki:
>>
>>       https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Stretch-Root-on-ZFS
>>
>>
>> Grab a test box, a pair of SSD's, and give it a try.  Let us know how it
>> works out (or not).
> 
> I've also successfully installed Debian Stretch on a LUKS-encrypted ZFS
> root partition. 

Okay.


> The upcoming ZFS 0.8 will make LUKS unnecessary as it
> will feature native ZFS encryption.

That will be a nice feature to have.  I wonder when it will make it into 
Debian.


>> 1.  The easiest path that I have found for creating FOSS Un*x-like
>> systems with ZFS OOTB is FreeBSD.  Beware that the BSD userland and root
>> CSH are not GNU.
> 
> Aside from FreeBSD, the Antergos Linux installer also lets you install
> ZFS on root. I'm not sure how they worked out the licensing for that
> one, but technically its something the end user can already do.

Okay.


>> 2.  I seem to recall that Ubuntu added ZFS OOTB a few years ago.  STFW,
>> it looks like they currently also have a ZFS work-around:
>>
>> 	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
>>
>>       You might want to download the latest stable Ubuntu installer and
>> give it a try.
> 
> Ubuntu's installer does not allow ZFS on root. The procedure for Ubuntu
> on ZFS root is largely the same as Debian, with a few Ubuntu-specific
> tweaks.

Okay.


Thanks for the useful information!  :-)


David

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#200078

FromMatthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com>
Date2018-09-13 05:00 +0200
Message-ID<wxq1j-6Uq-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#200077

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On 9/12/18 7:26 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>> The upcoming ZFS 0.8 will make LUKS unnecessary as it
>> will feature native ZFS encryption.
> 
> That will be a nice feature to have.  I wonder when it will make it into 
> Debian.

Good question. The ZFS package in Sid is still at 0.7.9, and upstream
stable is 0.7.10.

https://packages.debian.org/sid/zfsutils-linux
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zfs-linux
https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/releases/tag/zfs-0.7.10


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