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  Sid: pulseaudio & xfce4 Grzegorz Sójka <pld@sojka.co> - 2018-09-06 14:00 +0200
    Encrypted e-mails? "Torben Schou Jensen" <tsj@swampthing.dk> - 2018-09-06 16:10 +0200
      Re: Encrypted e-mails? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-06 17:00 +0200
      Re: Encrypted e-mails? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-06 17:50 +0200
      Re: Encrypted e-mails? Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-09-07 15:20 +0200
        Re: Encrypted e-mails? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-07 15:50 +0200
          Re: Encrypted e-mails? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-07 15:50 +0200
            Re: Encrypted e-mails? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-09-07 16:00 +0200
              Re: Encrypted e-mails? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-07 17:00 +0200
                Re: Encrypted e-mails? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-07 22:10 +0200
                  [OT] Was: Encrypted e-mails? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 22:40 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Was: Encrypted e-mails? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-07 23:50 +0200
                  Re: Encrypted e-mails? Martin Smith <tech@smithproductions.co.uk> - 2018-09-08 16:00 +0200
                    Re: Encrypted e-mails? mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 21:10 +0200
          Re: Encrypted e-mails? "Torben Schou Jensen" <tsj@swampthing.dk> - 2018-09-07 16:00 +0200
            Re: Encrypted e-mails? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 17:10 +0200
            Re: Encrypted e-mails? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-07 17:10 +0200
              Re: Encrypted e-mails? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-07 17:20 +0200
        Re: Encrypted e-mails? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-07 17:10 +0200
          Re: Encrypted e-mails? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 18:00 +0200
            Re: Encrypted e-mails? Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 18:30 +0200
              Re: Encrypted e-mails? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-08 01:30 +0200
      Re: Encrypted e-mails? pjw <lists.debian@pjw.xsmail.com> - 2018-09-10 21:40 +0200
        PGP & Protonmail (Was: Encrypted e-mails?) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-10 22:30 +0200

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#199874 — Re: Encrypted e-mails?

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I am not suggesting that this thread be "suppressed", but perhaps it should
be marked [OT]?


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > As the situation now stands, an encrypted email is a bright red flag
> > in front of the bull in a china shop, so they will expend a lot of cpu
> > cycles to read it because if it didn't contain sensitive data, it
> > wouldn't be encrypted in the first place.
>
> While I find the behavior of the intelligence agencies morally repugnant
> as a practical matter they are not part of my threat model.
>
> > The encryption insures that it will be read...
>
> It *may* be scanned by software.  A lot more goes into the decision to
> attempt to decrypt an encrypted message than the mere fact that it is
> encrypted.  Most likely it results in an addition to a database of IPs
> known to emit encrypted messages.  It almost certainly won't be read.
>
> > ...then a small maybe that it will be delivered to the
> > addressee.
>
> It will already have been delivered.
>
> > If its a trigger msg, you can bet it will be printed for later perusal
> > by a grand jury and the digital copy will be delivered to /dev/null.
>
> It will mark the sender and receiver for investigation.  Why would they
> tell their enemies that they are reading their mail?
> --
> John Hasler
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
>

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#199890 — Re: Encrypted e-mails?

On Friday 07 September 2018 12:20:49 Default User wrote:

> I am not suggesting that this thread be "suppressed", but perhaps it
> should be marked [OT]?
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> 
wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > As the situation now stands, an encrypted email is a bright red
> > > flag in front of the bull in a china shop, so they will expend a
> > > lot of cpu cycles to read it because if it didn't contain
> > > sensitive data, it wouldn't be encrypted in the first place.
> >
> > While I find the behavior of the intelligence agencies morally
> > repugnant as a practical matter they are not part of my threat
> > model.
> >
> > > The encryption insures that it will be read...
> >
> > It *may* be scanned by software.  A lot more goes into the decision
> > to attempt to decrypt an encrypted message than the mere fact that
> > it is encrypted.  Most likely it results in an addition to a
> > database of IPs known to emit encrypted messages.  It almost
> > certainly won't be read.
> >
> > > ...then a small maybe that it will be delivered to the
> > > addressee.
> >
> > It will already have been delivered.
> >
> > > If its a trigger msg, you can bet it will be printed for later
> > > perusal by a grand jury and the digital copy will be delivered to
> > > /dev/null.
> >
> > It will mark the sender and receiver for investigation.  Why would
> > they tell their enemies that they are reading their mail?

I don't think they should advertise it, but that doesn't prevent them 
from stationing a SWAT team just inside the door to their latest plans, 
with their van parked a block away in front of a bank.

This "cat" has many ways of losing its skin that totally outweigh 
considerations about how they obtained the info that let them meet force 
with even more well trained force. And if there aren't any survivors, 
the secret is still well kept.  At least till the swat team member 
decides to write a tells all book.

> > --
> > John Hasler
> > jhasler@newsguy.com
> > Elmwood, WI USA



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199944 — Re: Encrypted e-mails?

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Torben Schou Jensen wrote:
> With https://protonmail.com/ we have webmail with focus on encrypted
> e-mails, but it require your friends also have account there to make full
> use of it.

Since July ProtonMail is now fully interoperable with other PGP mail clients.

You can export your ProtonMail public key to non-ProtonMail contacts, so they can send you encrypted mail using their client of choice.  You can import their public PGP key, so you can send them encrypted mail.

Once that's done, email encryption can be automatic between the two of you with only the one party using ProtonMail.

https://protonmail.com/blog/address-verification-pgp-support/
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/how-to-use-pgp/

-pjw

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#199947 — PGP & Protonmail (Was: Encrypted e-mails?)

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018, pjw wrote:

> Since July ProtonMail is now fully interoperable with 
> other PGP mail clients.

Now that is a nice piece of news.

-- 
Fraught with portent

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