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sound card problem

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First post2018-09-05 02:20 +0200
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  sound card problem Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-05 02:20 +0200
    Re: sound card problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:50 +0200
      Re: sound card problem Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-05 11:20 +0200
        Re: sound card problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 19:50 +0200
          Re: sound card problem Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:40 +0200
          (solved) Re: sound card problem Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-06 02:40 +0200
            Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-09-06 05:40 +0200
              Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:10 +0200
              Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-06 09:30 +0200
    Re: sound card problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-05 22:00 +0200

#199791 — sound card problem

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-09-05 02:20 +0200
Subjectsound card problem
Message-ID<wutI5-DF-3@gated-at.bofh.it>

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sorry, this question isn't linux specific

TV audio output is connected to linein of my sound card
speaker is connected to output of sound card

tv sound can be heard even when pc is shut down
i have to turn off speaker, this isn't convenient

i mute all in mixer before shutting down stretch, it doesn't help
is there any solution? Thanks!


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#199799

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-05 08:50 +0200
Message-ID<wuzNv-49P-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199791
Long Wind wrote:

> i mute all in mixer before shutting down stretch, it doesn't help
> is there any solution? Thanks!

why do you think it is a software issue? After machine is switched off the
software is dead. Look at the description of the mainboard

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#199801

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-09-05 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<wuC8G-5Ei-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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  Thank deloptes!

i'm unable to find manual for motherboardand i browse thru BIOS menu, unable to find related option 

    On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:40 PM, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Long Wind wrote:

> i mute all in mixer before shutting down stretch, it doesn't help
> is there any solution? Thanks!

why do you think it is a software issue? After machine is switched off the
software is dead. Look at the description of the mainboard



   

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#199815

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-05 19:50 +0200
Message-ID<wuK6d-1Il-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199801
Long Wind wrote:

> Thank deloptes!
> 
> i'm unable to find manual for motherboardand i browse thru BIOS menu,
> unable to find related option

you hear sound even when you turn off and unplug your computer?

input/output might be shortened on the board - why would you look at BIOS?

regards

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#199817

FromCindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-05 20:40 +0200
Message-ID<wuKSC-2co-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199815
On 9/5/18, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Long Wind wrote:
>
>> Thank deloptes!
>>
>> i'm unable to find manual for motherboardand i browse thru BIOS menu,
>> unable to find related option
>
> you hear sound even when you turn off and unplug your computer?


That's what I'm imagining from the description, too. Sounds like all
power's off to the computer... so I'm imagining that...

The card doesn't need "power" to work? Apparently no. This is the
first time I've ever thought about that aspect. That's a constant
checkpoint for things like those CHEAP $5 external hard drive adapters
that have no enclosures, but it's never been a factor for
PCI'ish/plugs into the motherboard type hardware.

Is there some kind of direct wiring going on between the linein and
lineout points? Yeah, I know, never mind on that one. There has to be
something like that for it to work even when the power switch is on.
Something goes in and can only go back out if there is an unbroken
line of connectivity somehow within the product. :)

Those thoughts are coming from sitting here reading Long Wind's
description while knowing that my speakers power on and off separate
from the computer. Wish I had some way to (kicks 'n' giggles) test the
same to see if mine duplicates the result.

Afterthought: This is a stretch of the imagination, YES, but........

Is there any way it could be seen as an exploitable vulnerability
where it's possible to interact within the computer even when it's
turned off completely?

Absolute worse, hopefully totally impossible scenario would be that
the boogeyman burglar busts into your office one night, plants some
bad mojo on that PCI card, you boot up your computer the next morning,
and off that bad mojo goes running throughout the rest of the internal
workings...

Yes, I do understand that the card would have to be capable of certain
[tasks]. If that card's not capable, maybe others are?


> input/output might be shortened on the board - why would you look at BIOS?

Hail Mary pass...? Apparently because it's that annoying a (dis)feature? :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#199821 — (solved) Re: sound card problem

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-09-06 02:40 +0200
Subject(solved) Re: sound card problem
Message-ID<wuQuZ-5AA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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i connect tv audio to mic of sound cardand it solves problem that annoys me

Thanks to all who reply!
PS: is recording quality of mic same as linein? 

    On Thursday, September 6, 2018 1:48 AM, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Long Wind wrote:

> Thank deloptes!
> 
> i'm unable to find manual for motherboardand i browse thru BIOS menu,
> unable to find related option

you hear sound even when you turn off and unplug your computer?

input/output might be shortened on the board - why would you look at BIOS?

regards



   

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#199823 — Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-09-06 05:40 +0200
SubjectRe: (solved) Re: sound card problem
Message-ID<wuTjb-7is-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199821
On 09/05/2018 05:35 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> PS: is recording quality of mic same as linein?

I would expect personal computer sound card line-in and microphone 
inputs to use the same design analog-to-digital converter.  So, the 
sampling rates and bit depths should be the same.


But, microphone inputs are usually monaural. So, if you use a stereo 
patch cable from your television to your computer, you will only hear 
the left channel.


And, microphone inputs usually have more analog gain. So, you will need 
to turn the television volume down and/or reduce the microphone gain in 
your mixer application.  Either can reduce the signal quality.  Failure 
to do so will result in clipping.


You will get the best recording if you connect the television line-out 
to the computer line-in and match the signal levels.


David

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#199825 — Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 08:10 +0200
SubjectRe: (solved) Re: sound card problem
Message-ID<wuVEm-mI-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199823
David Christensen wrote:

> I would expect personal computer sound card line-in and microphone
> inputs to use the same design analog-to-digital converter.  So, the
> sampling rates and bit depths should be the same.
> 
> 
> But, microphone inputs are usually monaural. So, if you use a stereo
> patch cable from your television to your computer, you will only hear
> the left channel.
> 
> 
> And, microphone inputs usually have more analog gain. So, you will need
> to turn the television volume down and/or reduce the microphone gain in
> your mixer application.  Either can reduce the signal quality.  Failure
> to do so will result in clipping.
> 
> 
> You will get the best recording if you connect the television line-out
> to the computer line-in and match the signal levels.

He does not know what brand his PC is and no info on the card - it is hard
to say where and how it should be plugged in.

regards

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#199826 — Re: (solved) Re: sound card problem

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-09-06 09:30 +0200
SubjectRe: (solved) Re: sound card problem
Message-ID<wuWTM-10C-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199823

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 Thank David for your advice!

i think tv audio is stereo, connecting to mic instead of linein may result in poor quality
but i'm not professional artist, i can't tell difference most time
but for really good tv program, i will use linein

    On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 11:39:37 AM GMT+8, David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:  
 
 On 09/05/2018 05:35 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> PS: is recording quality of mic same as linein?

I would expect personal computer sound card line-in and microphone 
inputs to use the same design analog-to-digital converter.  So, the 
sampling rates and bit depths should be the same.


But, microphone inputs are usually monaural. So, if you use a stereo 
patch cable from your television to your computer, you will only hear 
the left channel.


And, microphone inputs usually have more analog gain. So, you will need 
to turn the television volume down and/or reduce the microphone gain in 
your mixer application.  Either can reduce the signal quality.  Failure 
to do so will result in clipping.


You will get the best recording if you connect the television line-out 
to the computer line-in and match the signal levels.


David

  

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#199818

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2018-09-05 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<wuM83-2Ri-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199791
On Wed 05 Sep 2018 at 00:15:23 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> sorry, this question isn't linux specific

It's unspecific in several other ways.

> TV audio output

What sort of output? Intended for speakers, or headphones,
or a line-style output.

> is connected to linein of my sound card

What sound card is that? Enumerate the inputs and outputs,
how they are labelled, and which ones you are using.

> speaker is connected to output of sound card

What, directly? Full-size passive speakers, or active ones with
some sort of amplification built into them.

> tv sound can be heard even when pc is shut down

How loud? Just as loud as when the PC is running with the mixers
turned up, turned down, muted? Or just loud enough to be a
distraction if you're, say, dozing/sleeping in the same room?

> i have to turn off speaker, this isn't convenient

You say "turn off" rather than "disconnect". Is that because the
speakers are being run from an amplifier that's independent of the
sound card?

> i mute all in mixer before shutting down stretch, it doesn't help
> is there any solution? Thanks!

Dunno. But it helps to have the problem explained.
We can't do house calls!

Cheers,
David.

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