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  What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 21:30 +0200
    Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Stefan K <shadow_7@gmx.net> - 2018-08-30 09:30 +0200
      Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:40 +0200
      Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 17:20 +0200
        Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2018-08-30 20:40 +0200
          Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 21:00 +0200
            Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2018-09-01 00:00 +0200
              Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 03:40 +0200
        Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Stefan Krueger <stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de> - 2018-08-31 09:30 +0200
          Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 21:00 +0200
            Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2018-08-31 23:30 +0200
              Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 03:30 +0200
              Re: profile data (was: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest  future?) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-09-01 03:50 +0200
              Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 19:00 +0200
        Re: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future? Marcelo Lacerda <marceloslacerda@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 18:30 +0200

#199613 — What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?

Hi folks,

As far as I understend Mozilla is going to stop supporting Firefox ESR 59 this 
August. Does it mean that Firefox Quantum is comming to Debian Stretch before 
long? Is any information available?

Thanks

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#199627

Hi,

Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at 2018-09-05

more information about this:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.html#browser-security
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 (chapter "About stable releases")


On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:23:56 PM CEST Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> As far as I understend Mozilla is going to stop supporting Firefox ESR 59 this 
> August. Does it mean that Firefox Quantum is comming to Debian Stretch before 
> long? Is any information available?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 

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#199635

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200, Stefan K wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
> 2018-09-05
> 
> more information about this:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-
information.html#browser-security
>  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 (chapter
>  "About stable releases")

Thanks Stefan

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#199636

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200
Stefan K <shadow_7@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
> 2018-09-05
> [snip]

I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
That's one of the reasons I switched to Firefox Quantum. Have had no
problems with it running on either Wheezy or Stretch.

FWIW: Chrome is my primary browser, but it is not compatible with some
sites I frequent, but Quantum works fine on them.  ESR does, too, just
slowly. 

B

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#199640

Aug 30, 2018, 11:15 AM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:

> I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
>
What do you do with Firefox that it's so slow? Firefox has lots of problems but its speed was never a problem for me, even on older PCs.

In my experience people who complain about Firefox speed are just not bright enough to install Noscript and/or Ublock Origin, so they load 15+ different tracking scripts for every page they open, so yeah, in this case perhaps it is slow.

Regards,

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#199661

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:34:43 +0200 (CEST)
local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:

> Aug 30, 2018, 11:15 AM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:
> 
> > I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
> >  
> What do you do with Firefox that it's so slow? Firefox has lots of
> problems but its speed was never a problem for me, even on older PCs.

Well, the first time I installed and loaded it under Wheezy, its start
up was so slow, I thought it had failed or was broken. (We are talking
about Firefox ESR from the Debian repo.)  But it finally sauntered onto
the screen.  Now, we aren't talking a LONG time.  Not minutes.  Just
many extra seconds.  About 2 to 3 times longer than I was accustomed
to.

To make a long story short, after some testing, I determined it
wasn't my system.  ESR was just plain slow.  Period!  Others who used
it on other variously configured systems reported the same. But that was
okay. I just used it to download Google Chrome which is my primary
browser. ESR was always intended as a back up.  Later, when Firefox
Quantum was released, I installed it for that purpose.  Fast.  On par
with Chrome. No complaints.

> In my experience people who complain about Firefox speed are just not
> bright enough to install Noscript and/or Ublock Origin, so they load
> 15+ different tracking scripts for every page they open, so yeah, in
> this case perhaps it is slow.

Such things may contribute, but nevertheless, all things being equal,
Firefox ESR was just slow with everything.  I even tested it with a
locally stored web site with and without an Internet connection.
Still slow.  Later releases showed some improvement. But compared to
Chrome or Quantum ... Well, there's no comparison.

B

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#199670

Aug 31, 2018, 2:49 PM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:

> Well, the first time I installed and loaded it under Wheezy, its start
> up was so slow, I thought it had failed or was broken. (We are talking
> about Firefox ESR from the Debian repo.)  But it finally sauntered onto
> the screen.  Now, we aren't talking a LONG time.  Not minutes.  Just
> many extra seconds.  About 2 to 3 times longer than I was accustomed
> to.
>

I used Firefox on Wheezy for years under KDE, never had problems with Firefox speed. If you start Firefox cold, the first window may take 2-5 seconds to load depending on the number of plugins one has installed, if a browsing session need to be restored, etc. but after that new FF windows take a fraction of a second to open. I think that's quite acceptable unless you are participating in some kind of startbrowser-shutdownbroser-restartbrowser competition. Once FF is running I leave it around for days and sometimes weeks, I use the browser often so I see not point in shutting it down and restarting all the time.

Regards,

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#199673

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 23:51:49 +0200 (CEST)
local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:

> Aug 31, 2018, 2:49 PM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:
> 
> > Well, the first time I installed and loaded it under Wheezy, its
> > start up was so slow, I thought it had failed or was broken. (We
> > are talking about Firefox ESR from the Debian repo.)  But it
> > finally sauntered onto the screen.  Now, we aren't talking a LONG
> > time.  Not minutes.  Just many extra seconds.  About 2 to 3 times
> > longer than I was accustomed to.
> >  
> 
> I used Firefox on Wheezy for years under KDE, never had problems with
> Firefox speed. If you start Firefox cold, the first window may take
> 2-5 seconds to load depending on the number of plugins one has
> installed, if a browsing session need to be restored, etc. but after
> that new FF windows take a fraction of a second to open. I think
> that's quite acceptable unless you are participating in some kind of
> startbrowser-shutdownbroser-restartbrowser competition. Once FF is
> running I leave it around for days and sometimes weeks, I use the
> browser often so I see not point in shutting it down and restarting
> all the time.

IIRC, Firefox had two versions in the Wheezy repos: one was just
Firefox; the other, Firefox-esr.  ESR is the one I was referring to.
Never installed the other.

And FWIW, I never messed much with ESR.  No plug-ins, no extensions,
default configuration, etc. Just ruled out my system as the cause of the
"slowness." It was merely the tool used to download Chrome.

B

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#199646

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Hi Patrick,

I had the same issue, slow Firefox and use a lot of CPU_power, I delete the .mozilla folder and then everything works fine, maybe you can give it a try?!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stefan Krüger
IT Division
Max-Planck-Institut für Gravitationsphysik
Albert-Einstein-Institut

Tel: +49 331 567-7206
E-Mail: stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de
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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:15:29 AM CEST Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200
> Stefan K <shadow_7@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
> > 2018-09-05
> > [snip]
> 
> I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
> That's one of the reasons I switched to Firefox Quantum. Have had no
> problems with it running on either Wheezy or Stretch.
> 
> FWIW: Chrome is my primary browser, but it is not compatible with some
> sites I frequent, but Quantum works fine on them.  ESR does, too, just
> slowly. 
> 
> B
> 
> 

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#199660

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:20:13 +0200
Stefan Krueger <stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> 
> I had the same issue, slow Firefox and use a lot of CPU_power, I
> delete the .mozilla folder and then everything works fine, maybe you
> can give it a try?!

Thanks.  I'll look into that.  Just did a clean install of ESR on
a new Devuan set up I'm testing.  See if it has any effect.

B

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Stefan Krüger
> IT Division
> Max-Planck-Institut für Gravitationsphysik
> Albert-Einstein-Institut
> 
> Tel: +49 331 567-7206
> E-Mail: stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:15:29 AM CEST Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200
> > Stefan K <shadow_7@gmx.net> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available
> > > at 2018-09-05
> > > [snip]  
> > 
> > I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
> > That's one of the reasons I switched to Firefox Quantum. Have had no
> > problems with it running on either Wheezy or Stretch.
> > 
> > FWIW: Chrome is my primary browser, but it is not compatible with
> > some sites I frequent, but Quantum works fine on them.  ESR does,
> > too, just slowly. 
> > 
> > B
> > 
> >   

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#199667

Aug 31, 2018, 2:52 PM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:

> On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:20:13 +0200
> Stefan Krueger <> stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de <mailto:stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de>> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> I had the same issue, slow Firefox and use a lot of CPU_power, I
>> delete the .mozilla folder and then everything works fine, maybe you
>> can give it a try?!
>>
>
> Thanks.  I'll look into that.  Just did a clean install of ESR on
> a new Devuan set up I'm testing.  See if it has any effect.
>

.mozilla folder is where your personal Firefox settings are stored:  plugins, bookmarks, browsing history, etc. Don't delete .mozilla folder unless you want them to be gone.

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#199672

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 23:26:23 +0200 (CEST)
local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:

> Aug 31, 2018, 2:52 PM by nemommxiv@gmail.com:
> 
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:20:13 +0200
> > Stefan Krueger <> stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de
> > <mailto:stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de>> > wrote: 
> >> Hi Patrick,
> >>
> >> I had the same issue, slow Firefox and use a lot of CPU_power, I
> >> delete the .mozilla folder and then everything works fine, maybe
> >> you can give it a try?!
> >>  
> >
> > Thanks.  I'll look into that.  Just did a clean install of ESR on
> > a new Devuan set up I'm testing.  See if it has any effect.
> >  
> 
> .mozilla folder is where your personal Firefox settings are stored:
> plugins, bookmarks, browsing history, etc. Don't delete .mozilla
> folder unless you want them to be gone.

I know, but did so anyway just to see if it made a difference -- It
didn't -- since there were no plug-ins or extensions, etc. installed.
ESR was installed for only one purpose: To download Google Chrome.
However, I did note that Firefox was not as slow as it was when I first
installed it in Wheezy years ago. In fact, it was quite usable.  So,
it's been "fixed."  However, I'm still sticking with Chrome as my
primary.

B 

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#199674 — Re: profile data (was: What is Firefox on Debian Stretch nearest future?)

local10 composed on 2018-08-31 23:26 (UTC+0200):

> .mozilla folder is where your personal Firefox settings are stored:  plugins, bookmarks, browsing history, etc. Don't delete .mozilla folder unless you want them to be gone.

~/.mozilla isn't just for Firefox. .mozilla contains the Firefox (including
Firefox-esr) and SeaMonkey data files (.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini and
.mozilla/seamonkey/profiles.ini) that enumerate the locations of the individual
profiles (which need not live in .mozilla). If you want to reset/virginize a
single profile, that particular subdirectory of .mozilla, or elsewhere if so
configured, is what needs to be deleted.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profiles.ini_file
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#200505

local10 wrote:

> .mozilla folder is where your personal Firefox settings are stored: 
> plugins, bookmarks, browsing history, etc. Don't delete .mozilla folder
> unless you want them to be gone.

+1

I am facing similar performance problem. I am almost certain that it has to
do with the fact that  sqlite db where it saves history and so on is very
large - it has been in use since 15+y. 
I tried firefox with new profile and it worked nice.
I then raised the question in the mozilla user group and they recommended to
use the refresh from the settings, however I am still not confident that I
will not loose some setting or password for the numberos sites I use

regards

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#200503

I had similar problems with firefox being slow, it was mostly restricted
to some websites and it was related to how the rendering worked, very
long pages with lots of visual elements tended to make the scroll
extremely slow. Couple that with the fact that the content of the tabs
could crash the main UI and the whole experience would be pretty bad.

On 30/8/18 12:15 pm, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:28:35 +0200
> Stefan K <shadow_7@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Debian will be upgrade to Firefox 60.2 esr.,it will be available at
>> 2018-09-05
>> [snip]
> I hope it's faster than the previous releases. It was/is dog slow.
> That's one of the reasons I switched to Firefox Quantum. Have had no
> problems with it running on either Wheezy or Stretch.
>
> FWIW: Chrome is my primary browser, but it is not compatible with some
> sites I frequent, but Quantum works fine on them.  ESR does, too, just
> slowly. 
>
> B
>

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