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| Started by | tech <tech@rkn.ovh> |
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| First post | 2018-08-09 19:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200 |
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mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 19:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-09 19:50 +0200
RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:20 +0200
RE: mailing list vs "the futur" deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 01:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-10 03:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 13:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-08-10 14:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-08-10 18:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-10 15:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-12 14:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 10:40 +0200
Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 15:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 13:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 22:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-23 22:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2018-08-09 21:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 21:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net> - 2018-08-23 23:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 08:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 09:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 11:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-24 21:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 21:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-24 22:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 23:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 01:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 02:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 21:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 21:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 17:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 17:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 18:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-27 22:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 22:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 15:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 15:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 20:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 17:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 17:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 21:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 00:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-29 01:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 03:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 03:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 17:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 19:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 19:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 15:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-31 12:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-09-04 12:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 18:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 18:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 19:50 +0200
[Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:20 +0200
Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-05 04:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-05 09:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
[Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:50 +0200
Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:20 +0200
Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-04 21:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-04 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 12:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-01 12:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 19:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 02:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 12:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 17:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-30 14:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-30 00:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-30 01:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 20:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 22:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 23:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-02 10:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 15:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 16:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 16:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-02 18:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-03 07:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-09-03 08:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 07:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 13:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 15:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 16:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-03 13:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-29 12:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 13:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 13:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 14:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 09:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 14:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 15:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 22:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 19:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 05:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 12:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 14:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-24 18:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-24 18:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 19:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 20:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-25 01:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-27 10:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-27 14:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 16:00 +0200
Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-25 10:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-08-25 02:50 +0200
Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 21:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2018-08-09 22:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 01:40 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2018-08-11 11:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-12 20:10 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-08-10 10:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 12:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Shea Alterio <krusete@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-10 12:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-11 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-13 15:30 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:20 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" arne <sp113438@telfort.nl> - 2018-08-11 00:50 +0200
Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200
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| From | Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-28 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrMQW-41A-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199481 |
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On 28/08/2018 13:16, Mark Rousell wrote: > > Footnote:- > 1: A more recent example of a very similar skewed and confused view of > things is the Casio F-91 watch. Certain elements of US intelligence > had noticed that many terrorist suspects arrested in Iraq were wearing > the Casio F-91W watch model. The intelligence reports extrapolated > this apparent correlation to suggest, amongst other things, that the > watch was chosen because its alarm capabilities allowed an alarm to be > set more than 24 in the future (in fact that particular model allows > no such thing, although some other Casio models do). In truth, the > Casio F-91W model was and still is popular with third world terrorist > suspects because it is (a) very cheap, and (b) it is produced in > greater numbers than any other watch model in the world. I.e. Lots of > people in third world countries wear Casio F-91Ws, not just > terrorists. And yet the intelligence people were ignorant of the wider > popularity of the F-91W and extrapolated incorrectly from the limited > (skewed) data set of which they were aware. Similar errors of limited > vision, confusion, and skew were made in the timeframe we're > discussing here by some people running training course for professionals. I just noticed a typo in the above. Here is the corrected version: A more recent example of a very similar skewed and confused view of things is the Casio F-91 watch. Certain elements of US intelligence had noticed that many terrorist suspects arrested in Iraq were wearing the Casio F-91W watch model. The intelligence reports extrapolated this apparent correlation to suggest, amongst other things, that the watch was chosen because its alarm capabilities allowed an alarm to be set more than 24 hours in the future and so it would be useful as a bomb timer. (In fact that particular model allows no such thing although some other Casio watch models do). In truth, the Casio F-91W model was and still is popular with third world terrorist suspects because it is (a) very cheap, and (b) it is produced in greater numbers than any other watch model in the world. I.e. Lots of people in third world countries wear Casio F-91Ws, not just terrorists. And yet the intelligence people were ignorant of the wider popularity of the F-91W and extrapolated incorrectly from the limited (skewed) data set of which they were aware. Similar errors of limited vision, confusion, and skew were made in the timeframe we're discussing here by some people running training courses for certain types of professional. -- Mark Rousell
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| From | Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrHoe-MO-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199463 |
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On 28/08/2018 00:04, Gene Heskett wrote: > My knowledge is based on a conversation I had with my then isp in about > 1993 or so, so its entirely possible that the protocol has been changed > since then. What they had then struck me as very very wastefull of > resources. Because I was such a PITA, they actually built another > machine for NNTP and had at&t bring in another oc3 circuit to feed it. I > had what was a full house Amiga 2000 with 64 megs of ram on a PP&S 040 > board, had a pair of 1GB scsi seagates, their machine had a 47GB drive, > which was filled in just an hour or so, so the expire was set at 8 > hours. So the last thing I did at night was dial them up and grab what I > wanted that was new, and the first thing in the morning, the same. > > Sheer economics has likely driven some major changes in how NNTP works > today. And I expect thats a hell of a lot better for the average ma & pa > isp. By the time I built a new machine and put red hat 5 on it, in 1998 > I think, NNTP had degenerated to 90% spam, so I never rejoined that pool > party, it was too polluted for me. Email was easier to filter, and here > I am still, almost 20 years later, and older too, I'll be 84 in a couple > more months if I don't miss morning roll call first. As in my reply to Michael Stone, posted just now, you are conflating NNTP with Usenet. The problems you describe above are all to do with Usenet, not with the NNTP protocol per se. NNTP is not a bandwidth hog. It is not now and never has been. Usenet was (and still is) a bandwidth hog, but it would have been so no matter protocol was used to transmit it. -- Mark Rousell
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-08-27 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrtbz-PY-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199435 |
On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 11:37:48 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2018 11:11:37 David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 25 Aug 2018 at 14:27:38 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > > > David writes: > > > > Or are you talking about some type of "shared channel" of which I > > > > have no knowledge? > > > > > > Cable providers may have a great many customers on a single cable > > > with large (but limited) bandwidth. > > > > Oh, like me, you mean. When we wanted to get our cable strung from the > > pole with the least obstructed view of our house, the linesman first > > told us that all the terminations were taken, but on ringing the > > office, he found that one line was not subscribed to, so we were able > > to connect to that pole. When I walk down the back alleys, I can see > > other poles connected to the same main coax feed that links the poles. > > > > I'm still scratching my head why subscribing to NNTP newsgroups should > > lead to bandwidth problems rather than usage ones. I can hit my > > bandwidth limits in many other ways like downloading youtube videos, > > watching TV, etc, but the hard limit is my usage, where I would end up > > paying money for any excess. > > > That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth > from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a huge bandwidth hog > regardless of how much of it your isp accepts for spooling on local disk > to serve you. I didn't know they were asking the ISP to *host* the newsgroups, just to allow NNTP stuff to pass from whoever is hosting it to the user, who pays for the usage they make of it. > > > Some rural providers may have limited backhaul bandwidth. They make > > > promises to customers based on optimistic estimates of peak usage. > Here at least, thats gradually getting better. I read that improvements are very patchy in the US. > > Now it appears that you're using "usage" where I would write > > "bandwidth". Am I in a minority of one here? Bandwidth is the rate of > > transfer of bits, whereas usage is the quantity of bits transferred > > irrespective of how fast they accumulated. > > Thats a pretty good view of the differences. But I get the impression that we have another baud/bitrate muddle. Cheers, David.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-28 01:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wryXD-4bN-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199449 |
On Monday 27 August 2018 13:07:27 David Wright wrote: > On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 11:37:48 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 27 August 2018 11:11:37 David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 25 Aug 2018 at 14:27:38 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > > > > David writes: > > > > > Or are you talking about some type of "shared channel" of > > > > > which I have no knowledge? > > > > > > > > Cable providers may have a great many customers on a single > > > > cable with large (but limited) bandwidth. > > > > > > Oh, like me, you mean. When we wanted to get our cable strung from > > > the pole with the least obstructed view of our house, the linesman > > > first told us that all the terminations were taken, but on ringing > > > the office, he found that one line was not subscribed to, so we > > > were able to connect to that pole. When I walk down the back > > > alleys, I can see other poles connected to the same main coax feed > > > that links the poles. > > > > > > I'm still scratching my head why subscribing to NNTP newsgroups > > > should lead to bandwidth problems rather than usage ones. I can > > > hit my bandwidth limits in many other ways like downloading > > > youtube videos, watching TV, etc, but the hard limit is my usage, > > > where I would end up paying money for any excess. > > > > That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the > > bandwidth from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a huge > > bandwidth hog regardless of how much of it your isp accepts for > > spooling on local disk to serve you. > > I didn't know they were asking the ISP to *host* the newsgroups, > just to allow NNTP stuff to pass from whoever is hosting it to > the user, who pays for the usage they make of it. > > > > > Some rural providers may have limited backhaul bandwidth. They > > > > make promises to customers based on optimistic estimates of peak > > > > usage. > > > > Here at least, thats gradually getting better. > > I read that improvements are very patchy in the US. > > > > Now it appears that you're using "usage" where I would write > > > "bandwidth". Am I in a minority of one here? Bandwidth is the rate > > > of transfer of bits, whereas usage is the quantity of bits > > > transferred irrespective of how fast they accumulated. > > > > Thats a pretty good view of the differences. > > But I get the impression that we have another baud/bitrate muddle. > > Cheers, > David. Likely, David. The number of folks that understand the difference in any given crowd is a rather low percentage. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-28 05:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrDaV-6CE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199449 |
David writes: > I didn't know they were asking the ISP to *host* the newsgroups, just > to allow NNTP stuff to pass from whoever is hosting it to the user, > who pays for the usage they make of it. The user pays a fixed monthly fee and was promised a certain bandwidth (*bandwidth*, not monthly total data usage). Of course he expects to never see less than that and of course marketing will have overpromised. This leads to pressure to find ways to cut down peak bandwidth without angering very many customers. Somebody notices that peak bandwidth usage by NNTP users (the ones who download binary groups, which is what the ISP management thinks is all there is to Usenet) is well above average and that there aren't very many of them... -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-25 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqDPI-4dv-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199334 |
On 08/24/2018 06:08 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 24 Aug 2018 at 16:18:40 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: >> The Wanderer writes: >>> If the user chooses a provider which carries those groups, and chooses >>> to subscribe to one or more of them, then surely that is what that >>> user is choosing to do with the bandwidth which that user purchases >>> from that user's provider - and as long as the user's bandwidth limits >>> are not exceeded, surely it's none of the provider's business what is >>> transported over that bandwidth. >> >> For marketing reasons they like to advertise very high bandwidth, beyond >> what they can actually support on shared channels, and then block >> potentially high-bandwidth services that most of their customers will >> never use and therefor never miss. > > I thought their concern was usage, not bandwidth (ie speed). > 360MB is small beer. Downloading a day's House Judiciary Committee > hearing from youtube is around 3-4GB. With TV (all off internet), > we use 15-30GB per day. > > Cheers, > David. > As single data point: I am subscribed to 17 mailing lists and follow 22 USENET groups. All that plus my routine browsing and downloading system updates from Debian keeps me well under my 2GB monthly data cap [typically <1.2GB]
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-25 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqFHQ-5iZ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199355 |
Richard writes: > I am subscribed to 17 mailing lists and follow 22 USENET groups. The providers that block NNTP are concerned about binary groups (which they most likely believe to be the only kind that exist). -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-25 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqGNA-5Us-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199359 |
On 08/25/2018 07:18 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Richard writes: >> I am subscribed to 17 mailing lists and follow 22 USENET groups. > > The providers that block NNTP are concerned about binary groups (which > they most likely believe to be the only kind that exist). > Yes. I was just trying to give a data point to give a real use-case perspective.
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqkk1-10N-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199293 |
rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > On Thursday, August 09, 2018 01:47:24 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +0000, tech wrote: >> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more >> > modern like a bugzilla or else ??? >> >> No. > > +1 +2
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqmYx-2BD-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199316 |
On Friday 24 August 2018 09:23:14 Rodolfo Medina wrote: > rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > > On Thursday, August 09, 2018 01:47:24 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +0000, tech wrote: > >> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to > >> > something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > >> > >> No. > > > > +1 > > +2 -100 -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqnhT-2Hl-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199318 |
On 2018-08-24, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On Friday 24 August 2018 09:23:14 Rodolfo Medina wrote: > >> rhkramer@gmail.com writes: >> > On Thursday, August 09, 2018 01:47:24 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +0000, tech wrote: >> >> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to >> >> > something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? >> >> >> >> No. >> > >> > +1 >> >> +2 > -100 > -97 -- "She understands everything, recognizes everyone, but through her half sleep, she simply cannot understand what power binds her hand and foot, oppresses her, and keeps her from living." -- Anton Chekhov, “Sleepy”
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqnUC-39H-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199319 |
Hi. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 04:31:40PM +0000, Curt wrote: > On 2018-08-24, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > > On Friday 24 August 2018 09:23:14 Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > > >> rhkramer@gmail.com writes: > >> > On Thursday, August 09, 2018 01:47:24 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +0000, tech wrote: > >> >> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to > >> >> > something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > >> >> > >> >> No. > >> > > >> > +1 > >> > >> +2 > > -100 > > > > -97 -INT_MAX. I win. Reco
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqonD-3iG-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199320 |
Hi, Reco wrote: > -INT_MAX. I win. It is time for projective geometry. Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqonD-3iG-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199320 |
On Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:15, Reco wrote: > -INT_MAX. I win. -1 (wraps around so = INT_MAX) and I win! -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 20:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqoGZ-3E4-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199322 |
Hi. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 06:45:00PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:15, Reco wrote: > > -INT_MAX. I win. > > -1 (wraps around so = INT_MAX) and I win! Damn. Should've seen this. Will use long int next time. Reco
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| From | mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqp0l-3K5-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199324 |
On 2018-08-24 19:06, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 06:45:00PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: >> On Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:15, Reco wrote: >> > -INT_MAX. I win. >> >> -1 (wraps around so = INT_MAX) and I win! > > Damn. Should've seen this. Will use long int next time. > > Reco mailing list are great until one of the threads gets really, really, really long mick -- Key ID 4BFEBB31
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2018-08-24 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqpjH-3Q8-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199325 |
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 07:23:15PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2018-08-24 19:06, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 06:45:00PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > > On Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:15, Reco wrote: > > > > -INT_MAX. I win. > > > > > > -1 (wraps around so = INT_MAX) and I win! > > > > Damn. Should've seen this. Will use long int next time. > > > > Reco > mailing list are great until one of the threads gets really, really, really > long At which point it's still much better than a web page where every previous message is quoted in full, or even a web page where you need to scroll carefully to find the right message. To replicate the features of good email clients, you wind up embedding most of the functionality of a good email client. -dsr-
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| From | Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-25 01:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wqtQl-6F4-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199325 |
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 07:23:15PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2018-08-24 19:06, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 06:45:00PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > > On Friday, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:15, Reco wrote: > > > > -INT_MAX. I win. > > > > > > -1 (wraps around so = INT_MAX) and I win! > > > > Damn. Should've seen this. Will use long int next time. > > > > Reco > mailing list are great until one of the threads gets really, really, really > long Dude! Like I said, cat $ALL_EMAILS >> ONE_BIG_FOLDER; awk 'to hearts content'; ed #(MUA) You're missing out...
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| From | Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> |
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| Date | 2018-08-27 10:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrkUG-4m8-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199325 |
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 07:23:15PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > mailing list are great until one of the threads gets really, really, really > long ...and then they're *REALLY* great. The only problem I can ever recall seeing with mailing lists and long threads is when people don't trim the posts they're replying to. -- Dave Sherohman
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-27 13:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wrobT-6aN-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199408 |
On Monday, August 27, 2018 04:12:32 AM Dave Sherohman wrote: > The only problem I can ever recall seeing with mailing lists and long > threads is when people don't trim the posts they're replying to. That never happens on this list, does it (with tongue deeply in cheek).
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