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  Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-16 14:50 +0200
    Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-16 16:30 +0200
      Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-16 16:50 +0200
      Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-16 17:10 +0200
    Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:30 +0200
      Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-19 15:40 +0200
        Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 17:20 +0200
          Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2018-08-20 18:20 +0200
            Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 19:10 +0200
              Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-20 19:30 +0200
                Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 21:40 +0200
                  Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-21 22:10 +0200
                    Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:20 +0200
                    Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2018-08-21 23:50 +0200
          Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-21 13:20 +0200
    Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2018-08-16 17:10 +0200
      Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-16 19:50 +0200
        Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-16 21:30 +0200
        Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 10:10 +0200
          Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-18 11:10 +0200
          Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-18 18:50 +0200
            Re: Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux  handheld Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-18 19:40 +0200
              Re: Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux  handheld Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-18 21:30 +0200
            Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem Grzegorz Sójka <pld@sojka.co> - 2018-08-18 21:40 +0200
              Re: Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-18 21:50 +0200
            Re: Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 08:40 +0200
              Re: Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux  handheld David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: Literal postings, was Re: Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux  handheld Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-20 02:30 +0200

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#198859 — Wanted - Debian(preferred)/Linux handheld

I've been looking for one for about a year.
I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [https://www.planetcom.co.uk/] 
has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are available".

The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?

Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?

TIA

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#198861

On 2018-08-16, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> I've been looking for one for about a year.
> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [https://www.planetcom.co.uk/] 
> has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are available".
>
> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?

They say they deliver to the US (with a US Keyboard with US Power Plug
option), but knowing you you'll probably tell me very severely my X
answer doesn't fit your Y question (or vice versa, or something).

https://store.planetcom.co.uk/pages/delivery

The customs implications of the matter, if any, are beyond the scope of
this article.

> Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
>
> TIA
>
>
>


-- 
"She was a blank wall, fresh painted." 
Louise Erdrich, Love Medicine

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#198866

On 08/16/2018 09:26 AM, Curt wrote:
> On 2018-08-16, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>> I've been looking for one for about a year.
>> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [https://www.planetcom.co.uk/]
>> has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are available".
>>
>> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?
> 
> They say they deliver to the US (with a US Keyboard with US Power Plug
> option), but knowing you you'll probably tell me very severely my X
> answer doesn't fit your Y question (or vice versa, or something).
> 
> https://store.planetcom.co.uk/pages/delivery
> 
> The customs implications of the matter, if any, are beyond the scope of
> this article.

ROFL - That is one of the reasons I stated "...  US distributor. Is 
there one?"

> 
>> Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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#198867

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 02:26:13PM +0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2018-08-16, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> > I've been looking for one for about a year.
> > I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [https://www.planetcom.co.uk/] 
> > has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are available".
> >
> > The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?
> 
> They say they deliver to the US (with a US Keyboard with US Power Plug
> option), but knowing you you'll probably tell me very severely my X
> answer doesn't fit your Y question (or vice versa, or something).

Did you choose your name "Curt"?  It's very appropriate.  Come to
think of it, I should probably change my name to Must Lose The OCD or
something similar ;)


> https://store.planetcom.co.uk/pages/delivery
> 
> The customs implications of the matter, if any, are beyond the scope of
> this article.
> 
> > Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
> >
> > TIA

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#198862

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> I've been looking for one for about a year.
> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [https://www.planetcom.co.uk/] has
> come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are available".
>
> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?

It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
best I can tell, there's no computer. They've been pretty receptive to
email, in my experience. Or you could just wait a bit longer and watch
their website...

-- 
Glenn English

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#199014

On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
> It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
> best I can tell, there's no computer. 

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.  

I bought mine retail from planetcom.co.uk in June and have been using it
for 2 months.  Installed Debian (stretch) and am loving it.  I don't use
it as a mobile phone but as a small laptop.  It has some rough edges
without doubt but perfectly usable (for my use case); YMMV, of course.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid

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#199088

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
> > It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
> > best I can tell, there's no computer.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
> Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.

When I looked the other day, there were lots of books and such, but no
hardware. Gemini was there, but their computer wasn't.

-- 
Glenn English

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#199095

On 20/08/18 16:16, Glenn English wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
>>> It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
>>> best I can tell, there's no computer.
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
>> Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.
> When I looked the other day, there were lots of books and such, but no
> hardware. Gemini was there, but their computer wasn't.
>
Try Here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gemini-4G-WiFi-Space-Grey/dp/B07DNG5YMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534779869&sr=8-1&keywords=gemini+pda


-- 
Tony van der Hoff        | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

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#199097

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> wrote:
> On 20/08/18 16:16, Glenn English wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
>>>> It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
>>>> best I can tell, there's no computer.
>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
>>> Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.
>> When I looked the other day, there were lots of books and such, but no
>> hardware. Gemini was there, but their computer wasn't.
>>
> Try Here:
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gemini-4G-WiFi-Space-Grey/dp/B07DNG5YMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534779869&sr=8-1&keywords=gemini+pda

OP stated in the initial email and a follow-up to the first person who
answered, that he is looking for a US distributor. That's what people
have been talking about. If you can find it on amazon.com, please
share the link, because I can't find the actual computer.

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#199098

On 08/20/2018 12:01 PM, Anders Andersson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> wrote:
>> On 20/08/18 16:16, Glenn English wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
>>>>> It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
>>>>> best I can tell, there's no computer.
>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
>>>> Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.
>>> When I looked the other day, there were lots of books and such, but no
>>> hardware. Gemini was there, but their computer wasn't.
>>>
>> Try Here:
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gemini-4G-WiFi-Space-Grey/dp/B07DNG5YMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534779869&sr=8-1&keywords=gemini+pda
> 
> OP stated in the initial email and a follow-up to the first person who
> answered, that he is looking for a US distributor. That's what people
> have been talking about. If you can find it on amazon.com, please
> share the link, because I can't find the actual computer.
> 

I also stated I wished to avoid Amazon and Ebay.
 From when they both first opened I couldn't figure what there role is 
in a transaction like this.
As to requiring a US distributor, it would essentially guarantee that 
the units have FCC type acceptance. That can be a pain - decades ago 
that was part of my job.
That the hardware is hard to find on Amazon causes me to suspect they 
haven't received that yet.

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#199193

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:29 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> I also stated I wished to avoid Amazon and Ebay.
>  From when they both first opened I couldn't figure what there role is
> in a transaction like this.

I would think that "profiteering-middleman" fits Amazon and Ebay here.
Apparently they don't make your life sufficiently easier to justify
the pound of flesh nearest
your heart (I mean, the profit margin...) as they do for most others.
All the hippies would
be around your age now, right? FYI that wasn't a value judgement....

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#199197

On 08/21/2018 02:35 PM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:29 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>> I also stated I wished to avoid Amazon and Ebay.
>>   From when they both first opened I couldn't figure what there role is
>> in a transaction like this.
> 
> I would think that "profiteering-middleman" fits Amazon and Ebay here.
> Apparently they don't make your life sufficiently easier to justify
> the pound of flesh nearest
> your heart (I mean, the profit margin...) as they do for most others.
> All the hippies would
> be around your age now, right? FYI that wasn't a value judgement....

I be of that generation, but not of them <grin>
My problem with their model is I don't know whom I dealing with.
Locally we have brick-n-mortar dens renting space o entrepreneur.
If you see something you pay landlord. WHO is responsible for customer 
satisfaction and/or import licenses etc.

If you wish to use a device in USA, it at minimum must meet UL and FCC 
regs. I was on the supplier end of that chain and doubt things have 
become less onerous ;/ Also who is responsible for meeting import regs 
and fees.

I have additional concerns. But covers High points.

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#199198

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:09 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> I be of that generation, but not of them <grin>

Nonsense. The right-wing result was inherent in hippieness too.
Look at America.

> If you wish to use a device in USA, it at minimum must meet UL and FCC
> regs. I was on the supplier end of that chain and doubt things have
> become less onerous ;/ Also who is responsible for meeting import regs
> and fees.

I worked next door to UL Labs north of Chicago. I'm glad they do what they do.
We have only the insurance companies to protect us (hah) from
defective products.
We won't need regulations when all businessmen are angels :-D

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#199200

On 08/21/2018 01:08 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 08/21/2018 02:35 PM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:29 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I also stated I wished to avoid Amazon and Ebay.
>>>   From when they both first opened I couldn't figure what there role is
>>> in a transaction like this.
>>
>> I would think that "profiteering-middleman" fits Amazon and Ebay here.
>> Apparently they don't make your life sufficiently easier to justify
>> the pound of flesh nearest
>> your heart (I mean, the profit margin...) as they do for most others.
>> All the hippies would
>> be around your age now, right? FYI that wasn't a value judgement....
>
> I be of that generation, but not of them <grin>
> My problem with their model is I don't know whom I dealing with.
> Locally we have brick-n-mortar dens renting space o entrepreneur.
> If you see something you pay landlord. WHO is responsible for customer 
> satisfaction and/or import licenses etc.
>
> If you wish to use a device in USA, it at minimum must meet UL and FCC 
> regs. I was on the supplier end of that chain and doubt things have 
> become less onerous ;/ Also who is responsible for meeting import regs 
> and fees.
>
> I have additional concerns. But covers High points.
>
Hi,
You won't have any problem ordering from amazon.co.uk.  I have ordered 
from them many times.  You don't have to worry about UL and FCC regs.  
European safety regs. are likely more stringent than US regs.  Import 
licenses apparently don't apply.
Try it.  You'll like it!
Best regards,
Fred

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#199138

On Monday, 20 Aug 2018 at 15:16, Glenn English wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 14:28, Glenn English wrote:
>
>> > It's all over Amazon (search: planet gemini pda computer), but, as
>> > best I can tell, there's no computer.
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "there's no computer."  The
>> Gemini is not vapourware.  It exists.
>
> When I looked the other day, there were lots of books and such, but no
> hardware. Gemini was there, but their computer wasn't.

Fine, if you are referring solely to Amazon.  I just wanted to clarify
in case others were misled into thinking this computer does not exist!

For those not being bothered about buying from outside the US, the site
for purchasing directly from the UK is:

https://store.planetcom.co.uk/

where I purchased mine 2+ months ago now.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid

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#198868

On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 07:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I've been looking for one for about a year.
> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [
> https://www.planetcom.co.uk/] 
> has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are
> available".
> 
> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?
> 
> Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
Changing the question to fit my answer ;)
Any reason not to buy direct from the UK?

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#198881

On 08/16/2018 10:03 AM, Dominic Knight wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 07:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I've been looking for one for about a year.
>> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [
>> https://www.planetcom.co.uk/]
>> has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are
>> available".
>>
>> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?
>>
>> Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
> Changing the question to fit my answer ;)
> Any reason not to buy direct from the UK?
> 

YES! *ROFL* <giggles &/or snickers>
There are several ;}

I don't want to be bothered with any import regulations or fees.
I WILL NOT consider any international financial transaction,
I am not sure if the EU has any better consumer protection than US,
    but I'm familiar with doing transactions on this side of The Pond.
I'm a septuagenarian much more familiar with brick-n-mortar.
    P.S. that eliminates Amazon & Ebay
I want to stay away from the POTUS debacle "du jour". (POTUS==PITA)?

Who? ME? OPINIONATED?

P.S. I wish my initial posts be taken literally. <chuckle>

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#198890

On Thursday 16 August 2018 13:47:52 Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 08/16/2018 10:03 AM, Dominic Knight wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 07:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> I've been looking for one for about a year.
> >> I've just discovered that the Gemini PDA [
> >> https://www.planetcom.co.uk/]
> >> has come to market. A key feature is "WiFi only models are
> >> available".
> >>
> >> The site doesn't say anything about a US distributor. Is there one?
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a similar product with a US distributor?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >
> > Changing the question to fit my answer ;)
> > Any reason not to buy direct from the UK?
>
> YES! *ROFL* <giggles &/or snickers>
> There are several ;}
>
> I don't want to be bothered with any import regulations or fees.
> I WILL NOT consider any international financial transaction,
> I am not sure if the EU has any better consumer protection than US,
>     but I'm familiar with doing transactions on this side of The Pond.
> I'm a septuagenarian much more familiar with brick-n-mortar.
>     P.S. that eliminates Amazon & Ebay
> I want to stay away from the POTUS debacle "du jour". (POTUS==PITA)?
>
> Who? ME? OPINIONATED?
Get in line Richard. ;0)

> P.S. I wish my initial posts be taken literally. <chuckle>



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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#198968

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> P.S. I wish my initial posts be taken literally. <chuckle>

I wish this for every question on the mailing list but sadly that
rarely happens, leading to a lot of pointless traffic to wade through.
On every question there's always the "helpful" people who just wants
to share their 2 cents worth of opinion and derail the question in the
process.

I guess that's partially because a lot of people don't know how to ask
a question so everyone assumes that it is not to be taken literally.

Maybe I'm not a hundred years old like you guys, but on the inside I'm
just as grumpy, err, I mean "opinionated"!

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#198970

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:02:39 +0200
Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > P.S. I wish my initial posts be taken literally. <chuckle>  
> 
> I wish this for every question on the mailing list but sadly that
> rarely happens, leading to a lot of pointless traffic to wade through.
> On every question there's always the "helpful" people who just wants
> to share their 2 cents worth of opinion and derail the question in the
> process.
> 

Is this a paid-for consultancy service?

> I guess that's partially because a lot of people don't know how to ask
> a question so everyone assumes that it is not to be taken literally.
> 

And we all do things differently. Sometimes the question indicates that
someone is taking an unnecessarily difficult path. Sometimes nobody
knows the answer, and rather than just ignore the questioner, we chip
in experiences as near to the subject as possible. Our friend Richard
spends his life doing things that nobody else has done, and then gets
ratty because nobody can answer his questions.

> Maybe I'm not a hundred years old like you guys, but on the inside I'm
> just as grumpy, err, I mean "opinionated"!
> 

It is perfectly possible to be grumpy before you have even learned to
speak.

-- 
Joe

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