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  what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? shirish शिरीष <shirishag75@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 20:00 +0200
    Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-21 20:10 +0200
      Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-21 20:20 +0200
      Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2018-08-21 20:20 +0200
    Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-21 20:10 +0200
    Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-21 20:10 +0200
    Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-21 20:10 +0200
    Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 20:30 +0200
      Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? shirish शिरीष <shirishag75@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 04:30 +0200
        Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-23 04:50 +0200
        Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-23 07:50 +0200

#199179 — what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?

Hi all,

Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic
constraints and just inability to manage information flow.)

Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
or is there something more that I don't know ?

-- 
          Regards,
          Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
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#199180

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Michael Stone (2018-08-21):
> Read more closely. :)

Please elaborate.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#199185

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:09:21PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>Michael Stone (2018-08-21):
>> Read more closely. :)
>
>Please elaborate.

He didn't say "unrar"

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#199186

On 2018-08-21 20:09 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

> Michael Stone (2018-08-21):
>> Read more closely. :)
>
> Please elaborate.

unrar-free ≠ unrar

$ apt-cache show unrar-free | grep Section
Section: utils
$ apt-cache show unrar | grep Section 
Section: non-free/utils

Cheers,
       Sven

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#199182

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:01:19PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>shirish शिरीष (2018-08-21):
>> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
>> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
>> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
>> or is there something more that I don't know ?
>
>The unrar package is not free. Read this:

Read more closely. :)

Mike Stone

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#199183

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
>unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
>do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
>or is there something more that I don't know ?

You'd be sad if you had a script that ran unrar-free and the program was 
silently replaced with unar.

Mike Stone

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#199184

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shirish शिरीष (2018-08-21):
> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
> or is there something more that I don't know ?

The unrar package is not free. Read this:

https://www.debian.org/intro/free

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#199190

	Hi.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic
> constraints and just inability to manage information flow.)
> 
> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
> or is there something more that I don't know ?

It's more likely that you've been lucky and haven't met multipart solid
password-protected RAR5 archives. unar cannot chew on these.
bsdtar (which has some RAR support) cannot even do 'solid' part of
previous statement.
So, it's sad, gross, but unrar-nonfree stays in non-free for all those
cornercases.

Reco

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#199266

at bottom :-

On 21/08/2018, Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:
> 	Hi.
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic
>> constraints and just inability to manage information flow.)
>>
>> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
>> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
>> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
>> or is there something more that I don't know ?
>
> It's more likely that you've been lucky and haven't met multipart solid
> password-protected RAR5 archives. unar cannot chew on these.
> bsdtar (which has some RAR support) cannot even do 'solid' part of
> previous statement.
> So, it's sad, gross, but unrar-nonfree stays in non-free for all those
> cornercases.
>
> Reco
>

Dear Reco and all,

Except for Michael it seems nobody understood the question I was asking.

There is unrar-free and unrar, both are different  packages  -

$ apt-cache policy unrar-free
unrar-free:
  Installed: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4
  Candidate: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4
  Version table:
 *** 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
        100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


$ apt-cache policy unrar
unrar:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 1:5.5.8-1
  Version table:
     1:5.5.8-1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/non-free amd64 Packages
        100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages


There is also package unar which is a different  package altogether -

$ apt-cache policy unar
unar:
  Installed: 1.10.1-2+b2
  Candidate: 1.10.1-2+b2
  Version table:
 *** 1.10.1-2+b2 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
        100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

See the different  version numbers and either $aptitude show
$PACKAGENAME or tracker.debian.org/$PACKAGENAME to show the
differences.

My query is/was a more simpler one.

The last commit to unrar-free was done in 2004 and that 's about  it .
You can find the commits in /usr/share/doc/unrar-free/changelog.gz

The homepage given doesn't  exist more https://gna.org/projects/unrar/
and the only kind thing about  the package repo. is somebody made a
mirror on github for posterity purposes when the original URL was shut
 down.

https://github.com/Lesik/unrar-free

also see http://www.unrarlib.org/ for some documentation from that time.

So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels
unar and if not  can or should it  be removed from the Debian repo. ?

The question has nothing to do with unrar which is non-free but only
asks about packages in Main repo.

-- 
          Regards,
          Shirish Agarwal  शिरीष अग्रवाल
  My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com
EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A  2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8

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#199267

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:58:33AM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels

As I suggested before, compatability with existing scripts is one 
reason--unar has incompatible command line syntax. (Although along those 
lines, having /usr/bin/unrar be an alternative between two programs with 
incompatible options as currently is horrible.) There are a number of 
other packages which depend on or recommend unrar, which would 
presumably need to be modified to work with unar. (And now I'm wondering 
how many of them break if unrar-nonfree is installed.) In general things 
aren't removed just because there are options.

Mike Stone

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#199270

On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 07:58:33 (+0530), shirish शिरीष wrote:
> On 21/08/2018, Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have
> >> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I
> >> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application
> >> or is there something more that I don't know ?

> The last commit to unrar-free was done in 2004 and that 's about  it .
> You can find the commits in /usr/share/doc/unrar-free/changelog.gz

Well, it's still getting security updates; I see one dated 2017-09-07.

> So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels
> unar and if not  can or should it  be removed from the Debian repo. ?

As it happens, there was a question that illustrated differences
in their features just yesterday:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/463926/extracting-rar-files-with-unrar-free-and-unar-need-progress-completion-and-ti

so I guess it depends what people's priorities are. Why would you
want it removed?

Cheers,
David.

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