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  painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-19 21:50 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-08-19 23:20 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 00:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-08-20 14:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 16:30 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-19 23:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 03:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 20:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-20 20:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-20 20:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:50 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 01:50 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 02:20 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-20 06:20 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-20 07:10 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 15:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 16:40 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 17:20 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 23:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 02:00 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
                  Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 03:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 02:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-21 03:30 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:40 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-21 14:40 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-08-20 17:30 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 19:40 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 00:40 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 00:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 02:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-22 03:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 04:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 04:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-08-22 04:10 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 04:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-22 05:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 05:30 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-23 03:20 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-23 06:10 +0200

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#199036 — painted into a corner

Greetings all;

I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and 
format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let 
it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.

I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an 
email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.

But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount, 
because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount 
and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.

For instance, its not mounted:
gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
/dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!

And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy 
version of e2fsck.

Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much 
continuity as possible?

Thanks all.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199037

On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and
> format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let
> it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> 
> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an
> email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> 
> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount,
> because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount
> and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> 
> For instance, its not mounted:
> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> 
> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy
> version of e2fsck.
> 
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much
> continuity as possible?
> 

Maybe using apt-pinning.

In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on wheezy.

On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?

-- 
John Doe

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#199038

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:37:05 PM -04 john doe wrote:
> On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> > 
> > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and
> > format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let
> > it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> > 
> > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an
> > email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> > 
> > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount,
> > because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount
> > and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> > 
> > For instance, its not mounted:
> > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> > 
> > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy
> > version of e2fsck.
> > 
> > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much
> > continuity as possible?
> 
> Maybe using apt-pinning.
> 
> In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on wheezy.
> 
> On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?

In those cases I usually boot a recent live-CD (or USB-stick) like KNOPPIX and 
mount and copy from there.

-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

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#199041

On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:15:43 Eike Lantzsch wrote:

> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:37:05 PM -04 john doe wrote:
> > On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it
> > > autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home
> > > partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st
> > > drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> > >
> > > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> > > like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> > >
> > > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> > > mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> > > the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file
> > > systems.
> > >
> > > For instance, its not mounted:
> > > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> > >
> > > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
> > > wheezy version of e2fsck.
> > >
> > > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> > > much continuity as possible?
> >
> > Maybe using apt-pinning.
> >
> > In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on wheezy.
> >
> > On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?
>
> In those cases I usually boot a recent live-CD (or USB-stick) like
> KNOPPIX and mount and copy from there.

I just rebooted to it, and I found a desktop interface that will wear out 
a set of batteries in my mouse weekly because it takes at least 8 to 10 
clicks and some scroll wheel work just to find a #@%# terminal, and it 
can't even add tabs to a different shell either! I didn't install 
anything special for a desktop, took the default because I intended to 
replace it with TDE asap, and going from 10 workspaces, 4 of which have 
multi-tabbed (up to 7 tabs each) konsoles running on them, with a 
pulldown text menu to run half the stuff I run on the other workspaces, 
to a single window, single tasking system thats worse than the last 
windows box I was asked to configure the networking on, was very 
disheartening.  So I added the trinity stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d 
using mc to copy that from the old disk, changing the wheezy in the deb 
line to stretch, and that did not get me the TDE desktop I've been using 
for years, but did get me some sort of a warning window that was taller 
than my screen, fussing that some repo I hadn't added, was duff. If 
debian is trying to kill itself, it was a heck of a good start, not even 
a windows user looking for something better would be impressed.

The only thing that Just Worked was the networking, it took everything 
for a static net and Just Worked on the reboot.  That was a rather 
pleasant surprise considering the only stretch based install on my 
rock64's that works at all was armbian.  None of the other arm|hf|64 
*bians will accept a gateway assignment except as as a route command 
after a login.

I'm burned out for today, my cataracts might have to be the next thing I 
fix.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199067

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 5:51:24 PM -04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:15:43 Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:37:05 PM -04 john doe wrote:
> > > On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > > 
> > > > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it
> > > > autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home
> > > > partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st
> > > > drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> > > > 
> > > > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> > > > like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> > > > 
> > > > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> > > > mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> > > > the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file
> > > > systems.
> > > > 
> > > > For instance, its not mounted:
> > > > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > > > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > > > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > > > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> > > > 
> > > > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
> > > > wheezy version of e2fsck.
> > > > 
> > > > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> > > > much continuity as possible?
> > > 
> > > Maybe using apt-pinning.
> > > 
> > > In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on wheezy.
> > > 
> > > On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?
> > 
> > In those cases I usually boot a recent live-CD (or USB-stick) like
> > KNOPPIX and mount and copy from there.
> 
> I just rebooted to it, and I found a desktop interface that will wear out
> a set of batteries in my mouse weekly because it takes at least 8 to 10
> clicks and some scroll wheel work just to find a #@%# terminal, and it
> can't even add tabs to a different shell either! I didn't install
> anything special for a desktop, took the default because I intended to
> replace it with TDE asap, and going from 10 workspaces, 4 of which have
> multi-tabbed (up to 7 tabs each) konsoles running on them, with a
> pulldown text menu to run half the stuff I run on the other workspaces,
> to a single window, single tasking system thats worse than the last
> windows box I was asked to configure the networking on, was very
> disheartening.  So I added the trinity stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d
> using mc to copy that from the old disk, changing the wheezy in the deb
> line to stretch, and that did not get me the TDE desktop I've been using
> for years, but did get me some sort of a warning window that was taller
> than my screen, fussing that some repo I hadn't added, was duff. If
> debian is trying to kill itself, it was a heck of a good start, not even
> a windows user looking for something better would be impressed.
> 
> The only thing that Just Worked was the networking, it took everything
> for a static net and Just Worked on the reboot.  That was a rather
> pleasant surprise considering the only stretch based install on my
> rock64's that works at all was armbian.  None of the other arm|hf|64
> *bians will accept a gateway assignment except as as a route command
> after a login.
> 
> I'm burned out for today, my cataracts might have to be the next thing I
> fix.
With KNOPPIX to do such simple things as copying don't boot into the X-Window.
On boot enter: knoppix 2
(look at the cheat code)
and you have text only
use mc if you must or want

Sorry but I don't have time to wade through rants ...
All the best
Eike

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#199081

On Monday 20 August 2018 08:29:14 Eike Lantzsch wrote:

> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 5:51:24 PM -04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:15:43 Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:37:05 PM -04 john doe wrote:
> > > > On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Greetings all;
> > > > >
> > > > > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it
> > > > > autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home
> > > > > partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st
> > > > > drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> > > > >
> > > > > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal
> > > > > stuff, like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to
> > > > > 2002.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will
> > > > > actually mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are
> > > > > incompatible, nearly all the mount and e2tools can't touch the
> > > > > installers ext4 file systems.
> > > > >
> > > > > For instance, its not mounted:
> > > > > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > > > > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > > > > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > > > > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> > > > >
> > > > > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest
> > > > > available wheezy version of e2fsck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain
> > > > > as much continuity as possible?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe using apt-pinning.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on
> > > > wheezy.
> > > >
> > > > On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?
> > >
> > > In those cases I usually boot a recent live-CD (or USB-stick) like
> > > KNOPPIX and mount and copy from there.
> >
> > I just rebooted to it, and I found a desktop interface that will
> > wear out a set of batteries in my mouse weekly because it takes at
> > least 8 to 10 clicks and some scroll wheel work just to find a #@%#
> > terminal, and it can't even add tabs to a different shell either! I
> > didn't install anything special for a desktop, took the default
> > because I intended to replace it with TDE asap, and going from 10
> > workspaces, 4 of which have multi-tabbed (up to 7 tabs each)
> > konsoles running on them, with a pulldown text menu to run half the
> > stuff I run on the other workspaces, to a single window, single
> > tasking system thats worse than the last windows box I was asked to
> > configure the networking on, was very disheartening.  So I added the
> > trinity stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d using mc to copy that from
> > the old disk, changing the wheezy in the deb line to stretch, and
> > that did not get me the TDE desktop I've been using for years, but
> > did get me some sort of a warning window that was taller than my
> > screen, fussing that some repo I hadn't added, was duff. If debian
> > is trying to kill itself, it was a heck of a good start, not even a
> > windows user looking for something better would be impressed.
> >
> > The only thing that Just Worked was the networking, it took
> > everything for a static net and Just Worked on the reboot.  That was
> > a rather pleasant surprise considering the only stretch based
> > install on my rock64's that works at all was armbian.  None of the
> > other arm|hf|64 *bians will accept a gateway assignment except as as
> > a route command after a login.
> >
> > I'm burned out for today, my cataracts might have to be the next
> > thing I fix.
>
> With KNOPPIX to do such simple things as copying don't boot into the
> X-Window. On boot enter: knoppix 2
> (look at the cheat code)
> and you have text only
> use mc if you must or want
>
> Sorry but I don't have time to wade through rants ...

Sometimes they can be educational, and I try to make mine so if you can 
get past my frustration, but in this case its partly my own fault, a 
naming confusion on my part, I had put the wrong dvd-1 for 9.4 in the 
reader, when I should have used the adapted stretch from the LinuxCNC 
guys. I have now burned that one, and if I don't install a desktop at 
all, then my tde install will be clean and hopefully uncontaminated by 
what is obviously a broken gnome. Trying to make it look and run like 
windows 95 is IMO a huge mistake, but one that I must say debian has 
done remarkably well. Bring back the pulldown text stuff where 2-3 
clicks gets you anything installed.

> All the best
> Eike

Thanks Eike.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199039

On Sun 19 Aug 2018 at 15:40:55 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and 
> format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let 
> it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> 
> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an 
> email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> 
> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount, 
> because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount 
> and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> 
> For instance, its not mounted:
> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> 
> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy 
> version of e2fsck.
> 
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much 
> continuity as possible?

Can you not run your stretch installation then? In a new system, I'd
mount the old wheezy disk(s) and pull the files across. Leaving the
wheezy mount there makes it easy to look back at the old system in
case you forget a file or just want to see how you used to do a
particular something.

Cheers,
David.

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#199044

On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:33:32 David Wright wrote:

> On Sun 19 Aug 2018 at 15:40:55 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition
> > and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I
> > didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting
> > wheezy from.
> >
> > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> > like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> >
> > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> > mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> > the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> >
> > For instance, its not mounted:
> > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> >
> > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
> > wheezy version of e2fsck.
> >
> > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> > much continuity as possible?
>
> Can you not run your stretch installation then? In a new system, I'd
> mount the old wheezy disk(s) and pull the files across. Leaving the
> wheezy mount there makes it easy to look back at the old system in
> case you forget a file or just want to see how you used to do a
> particular something.
>
That is what I'll likely do when I next boot to it, but the tools to make 
that easy are often in the missing list. I did get synaptic to install 
mc, but had all sorts of perms problems I didn't expect when I tried to 
use it, due I think to the changes in what says is ext4 on both disks. 
We will eventually get it sorted I hope.  So I'll be, without a doubt, 
back with more problems but hopefully making progress over the next week 
or so. Progress always puts me in a better mood than I was for the first 
post in this thread.

======

It will be a week down the log when I get to it, but I absolutely must 
figure out how to get ssh -Y to work again.  Works flawlessly wheezy to 
wheezy, but wheezy to Jessie and wheezy to stretch is a no-go from the 
gitgo.

X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0, is the error.

It also fails like that from jessie(on an rpi-3b) to stretch(on a 
rock64), but not from stretch to jessie, but still won't let geany run, 
reporting "geany: can't open display".  So there may be 2 show stoppers 
to fix.  Sigh...


> Cheers,
> David.

Thanks David.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
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#199101

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 06:53:14PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's.
>
>Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning.
>Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch
>partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.

Except that none of this should be necessary.

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#199103

On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 13:55:55 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 06:53:14PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's.
> > 
> > Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning.
> > Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch
> > partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.
> 
> Except that none of this should be necessary.

More than likely. But it keeps him off the streets.

-- 
Brian.

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#199102

On Sun 19 Aug 2018 at 20:58:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:33:32 David Wright wrote:

[...]
 
> > Can you not run your stretch installation then? In a new system, I'd
> > mount the old wheezy disk(s) and pull the files across. Leaving the
> > wheezy mount there makes it easy to look back at the old system in
> > case you forget a file or just want to see how you used to do a
> > particular something.
> >
> That is what I'll likely do when I next boot to it, but the tools to make 
> that easy are often in the missing list. I did get synaptic to install 
> mc, but had all sorts of perms problems I didn't expect when I tried to 
> use it, due I think to the changes in what says is ext4 on both disks. 
> We will eventually get it sorted I hope.  So I'll be, without a doubt, 
> back with more problems but hopefully making progress over the next week 
> or so. Progress always puts me in a better mood than I was for the first 
> post in this thread.

My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's.

Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning.
Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch
partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.

-- 
Brian.

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#199111

On Monday 20 August 2018 13:53:14 Brian wrote:

> On Sun 19 Aug 2018 at 20:58:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:33:32 David Wright wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Can you not run your stretch installation then? In a new system,
> > > I'd mount the old wheezy disk(s) and pull the files across.
> > > Leaving the wheezy mount there makes it easy to look back at the
> > > old system in case you forget a file or just want to see how you
> > > used to do a particular something.
> >
> > That is what I'll likely do when I next boot to it, but the tools to
> > make that easy are often in the missing list. I did get synaptic to
> > install mc, but had all sorts of perms problems I didn't expect when
> > I tried to use it, due I think to the changes in what says is ext4
> > on both disks. We will eventually get it sorted I hope.  So I'll be,
> > without a doubt, back with more problems but hopefully making
> > progress over the next week or so. Progress always puts me in a
> > better mood than I was for the first post in this thread.
>
> My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's.
>
> Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning.
> Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch
> partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.

If push comes to shove, I'll see if a wheezy disk can be mounted to a 
stretch mount point. Someplace in the last 2 days ISTR trying that after 
booting stretch, and mount worked but navigating in the disk failed, the 
root was all I could see, and when I rebooted to wheezy, I had a 15+ 
minute pause while it did an e2fsck to most of that 1 terabyte disk, 
without reporting any errors found that it told me about on the boot 
screen. That would spook most anybody I think.

But now, for no known reason, stretch's network has gone away.  And all 
the tools I am familiar with have been excised from stretch.  Sigh...

Thanks Brian.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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#199119

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:42:00PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 13:53:14 Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 19 Aug 2018 at 20:58:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:33:32 David Wright wrote:
> > > > Can you not run your stretch installation then? In a new system,
> > > > I'd mount the old wheezy disk(s) and pull the files across.
> > > > Leaving the wheezy mount there makes it easy to look back at the
> > > > old system in case you forget a file or just want to see how you
> > > > used to do a particular something.
> > >
> > > That is what I'll likely do when I next boot to it, but the tools to
> > > make that easy are often in the missing list. I did get synaptic to
> > > install mc, but had all sorts of perms problems I didn't expect when
> > > I tried to use it, due I think to the changes in what says is ext4
> > > on both disks. We will eventually get it sorted I hope.  So I'll be,
> > > without a doubt, back with more problems but hopefully making
> > > progress over the next week or so. Progress always puts me in a
> > > better mood than I was for the first post in this thread.
> >
> > My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's.
> >
> > Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning.
> > Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch
> > partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.
> 
> If push comes to shove, I'll see if a wheezy disk can be mounted to a 
> stretch mount point.

That's what I'd do - just boot stretch and mount your wheezy
partition(s).  Newer OSes are designed in general to be backwards
compatible - people scream at the sky when a previous disk cannot be
mounted.


> Someplace in the last 2 days ISTR trying that after 
> booting stretch, and mount worked but navigating in the disk failed,

That was probably "navigating to my old /home/ folder" perhaps?

You need to mount your original partition for /home I suspect, not
just the root partition, that's all...


> the root was all I could see, and when I rebooted to wheezy, I had
> a 15+ minute pause while it did an e2fsck to most of that 1
> terabyte disk, without reporting any errors found that it told me
> about on the boot screen. That would spook most anybody I think.

It's possible you shut down too quickly?  Or could the drive have
been disconnected before unmounting the old wheezy /root ?


> But now, for no known reason, stretch's network has gone away.  And all 
> the tools I am familiar with have been excised from stretch.  Sigh...

Hm, frustrating.

Networking should work roughly the same in both wheezy and stretch.

If you want it auto shiny, just apt install network-manager

Good luck,

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#199123

On Tue 21 Aug 2018 at 09:48:37 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:42:00PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> > But now, for no known reason, stretch's network has gone away.  And all 
> > the tools I am familiar with have been excised from stretch.  Sigh...
> 
> Hm, frustrating.
> 
> Networking should work roughly the same in both wheezy and stretch.

Except you need to install net-tools (and perhaps add net.ifnames=0
lest one comes face to face with monstrosities like enp1s0 :) )

> If you want it auto shiny, just apt install network-manager

Translation for Gene: that's ¹network-mangler :)

¹Disclaimer: I have no opinion as I don't install it.

Cheers,
David.

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#199125

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 07:19:26PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 21 Aug 2018 at 09:48:37 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:42:00PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > > But now, for no known reason, stretch's network has gone away.  And all 
> > > the tools I am familiar with have been excised from stretch.  Sigh...
> > 
> > Hm, frustrating.
> > 
> > Networking should work roughly the same in both wheezy and stretch.
> 
> Except you need to install net-tools (and perhaps add net.ifnames=0
> lest one comes face to face with monstrosities like enp1s0 :) )

Oh come on‼ Does anyone -really- think that enp1s0 is not the most
intuitive name, like ever like?  (Did I mention "like"?)

;)


> > If you want it auto shiny, just apt install network-manager
> 
> Translation for Gene: that's ¹network-mangler :)
> 
> ¹Disclaimer: I have no opinion as I don't install it.

Neither do I, ackshualley - except on computers I install for others,
since it generally works well enough that they don't thereafter need
to phone me in the thought that I am their personal help desk for
ever after. Especially in the dynamic laptop situation.

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#199048

On 08/19/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and
> format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let
> it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> 
> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an
> email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> 
> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount,
> because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount
> and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> 
> For instance, its not mounted:
> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> 
> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy
> version of e2fsck.
> 
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much
> continuity as possible?
> 
> Thanks all.

Migrations are much easier when you have additional computers and parts 
drives to help.  I have a dedicated file and version control server.  I 
also have a machine for backups, archives, images, and whatever else 
(workbench).  All of my machines have HDD/ SDD mobile racks, so it is 
easy to move drives around.


I prefer small SSD's for system drives -- 16+ GB.  I use large HDD's for 
file server data drives and for storing backups, archives, and images. 
I would use that 2 TB for one of the non-system drive purposes.


When I want to upgrade a machine, I ensure that all of the configuration 
files are checked into version control and that all the data is backed 
up/ archived.  I pull all of the drives, and take an image of the system 
drive.  The old drives go on the shelf, in case I want to revert.


Next, I insert a wiped 2.5" SSD system drive into the target machine and 
do a fresh install.  I take an image of the system drive.


Next, I install applications, adjust configuration files, restore data, 
etc., adding drives, taking notes, and using version control as needed.


Once the rebuilt machine is complete and operational, I integrate it 
into my backup/ archive system and take another image of the system drive.


David

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#199050

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:40:55PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and 
> format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let 
> it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> 
> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an 
> email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> 
> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount, 
> because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount 
> and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> 
> For instance, its not mounted:
> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> 
> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy 
> version of e2fsck.
> 
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much 
> continuity as possible?

I have a few versions of /etc/ backed up - most of what I ever need
in a new install (physical or VM) is in there.

The rest is somewhere in /home - but when installing clean after
skipping a version of Debian, I prefer to move ~/.config/ to a backup
location, before logging in the first time, then just customize till
I get things reasonably the way I like - and I can always grep
through my old .config just in case...

So apart from a little command line mounting of old stuff
occasionally, but in the new system, I always boot into my new
system.

SO, re your grub setup - and since you're now in your old install -
you might configure old grub to know about the new install, and
update grub to the HDD accordingly. In fact, I would also install a
grub that recognizes all my installs, to BOTH HDDs!

That way you can always boot into something.

Other than that, as soon as I can start working in my new install,
the better as far as I'm concerned.

As a mountpoint, perhaps /media/wheezy for mounting your old root, or
vice versa?

Good luck,

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#199076

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:40:55PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and
>format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let
>it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
>
>I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an
>email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
>
>But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount,
>because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount
>and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.

If you unmounted cleanly you don't need fsck. Install a newer kernel 
from wheezy backports and it should mount fine. 

Mike Stone

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#199083

On Monday 20 August 2018 09:37:05 Michael Stone wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:40:55PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition
> > and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I
> > didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting
> > wheezy from.
> >
> >I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> > like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> >
> >But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> > mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> > the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
>
> If you unmounted cleanly you don't need fsck. Install a newer kernel
> from wheezy backports and it should mount fine.
>
> Mike Stone

sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then I'd 
call it a bug.

And my wheezy kernel is
gene@coyote:/$ uname -a
Linux coyote 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1 
(2017-02-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux
Which is not pinned and the machine is updated about 2x a week.


-- 
Cheers Mike, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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#199086

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then I'd
>call it a bug.

I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you failed 
to ever provide basic information like "what is the result of trying to 
mount the partition" so we're left guessing here.

Mike Stone

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