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  painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-19 21:50 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-08-19 23:20 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 00:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-08-20 14:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 16:30 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-19 23:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 03:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 20:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-20 20:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-20 20:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:50 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 01:50 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 02:20 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-20 06:20 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-20 07:10 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 15:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 16:40 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 17:20 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-20 23:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 02:00 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
                  Re: painted into a corner Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-21 03:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 02:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-21 03:30 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:40 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-21 14:40 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-08-20 17:30 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-20 22:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:20 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-21 19:40 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 00:40 +0200
    Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 00:40 +0200
      Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 02:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-22 03:10 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 04:00 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 04:30 +0200
        Re: painted into a corner Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-08-22 04:10 +0200
          Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 04:30 +0200
            Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-22 05:10 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-22 05:30 +0200
                Re: painted into a corner David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-23 03:20 +0200
              Re: painted into a corner Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-23 06:10 +0200

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#199108

On Monday 20 August 2018 11:13:08 Michael Stone wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then I'd
> >call it a bug.
>
> I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you
> failed to ever provide basic information like "what is the result of
> trying to mount the partition" so we're left guessing here.
>
> Mike Stone

If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new version of 
ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it recommended 
getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not available in a 
wheezy repo.

So I reboot to a different installer supplied by the linuxcnc people, and 
installed it. Weird, I had access to the network, and could download 
updates, but when I looked in /dev/ no sign of either eth0 or enp0s8.  
Installed some more stuff with aptitude,logged out and rebooted to that 
install, and now my network is dead.
So, working from a terminal, I've tried to configure it manually, and 
that fails, so I am now back on wheezy, which Just Works. And I've no 
quick and dirty way to copy/paste those errors after a reboot, isolating 
that filesystem from wheezy. 

If you want to help, give me a link to a printable tut on how to make a 
working static, host based for local lookups, but uses my router, which 
in turn will forward the dns requests it cannot answer from dnsmasq, to 
real servers on the outside network, like my isp's network. On stretch.

I've read the gibberish man page for ip & friends, since ifconfig is 
gone, and apparently so it route, but gibberish  is the correct term 
when there is not a working example line in the whole man page just to 
prove it works.

So I've zero network troubleshooting tools when booted to stretch.  And 
you are giving me what for, but zero help.

So show me a tut which I can use to make it work, Mike.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199114

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:27:18PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new version of
>ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it recommended
>getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not available in a
>wheezy repo.

That was the output of fsck, not the output of mount. But at least 
you've provided another wall of text.

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#199120

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:00:10PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:27:18PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new version of
> > ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it recommended
> > getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not available in a
> > wheezy repo.
> 
> That was the output of fsck, not the output of mount. But at least you've
> provided another wall of text.

I thought I was the only one allowed to be snarky at others?

Feeling cheated of my snark right, time for cheesecake ;(

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#199124

On Monday 20 August 2018 19:51:36 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:00:10PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:27:18PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new
> > > version of ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it
> > > recommended getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not
> > > available in a wheezy repo.
> >
> > That was the output of fsck, not the output of mount. But at least
> > you've provided another wall of text.
>
> I thought I was the only one allowed to be snarky at others?
>
> Feeling cheated of my snark right, time for cheesecake ;(

Ahh, but that would peak my sugar way up into the ketones range, not 
good.  Tain't fun, being an 83 yo diabetic.  Everything I like is either 
illegal, immoral, or fattening.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199127

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 09:16:22PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 19:51:36 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:00:10PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:27:18PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new
> > > > version of ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it
> > > > recommended getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not
> > > > available in a wheezy repo.
> > >
> > > That was the output of fsck, not the output of mount. But at least
> > > you've provided another wall of text.
> >
> > I thought I was the only one allowed to be snarky at others?
> >
> > Feeling cheated of my snark right, time for cheesecake ;(
> 
> Ahh, but that would peak my sugar way up into the ketones range, not 
> good.  Tain't fun, being an 83 yo diabetic.  Everything I like is either 
> illegal, immoral, or fattening.

Ahah! That's where home cooking comes in of course - check the
glycaemic index on various alternative sweeteners (e.g. stevia), and
experiment with some combination, to keep the total for a medium
sized cheesecake below your daily "glycogen" intake requirement -
sour cream, some matured/Euro-style cream cheese, perhaps buttermilk,
touch of fresh lemon juice and BAM, no more than a day's glyco intake
in a full cheesecake!

And if you go full keto ("ketogenic") for a couple months, you can
eat these every day AND lose weight - seriously the ultimate
indulgence diet - it doesn't get better than this.

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#199121

On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 16:27:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 11:13:08 Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then I'd
> > >call it a bug.
> >
> > I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you
> > failed to ever provide basic information like "what is the result of
> > trying to mount the partition" so we're left guessing here.
> 
> If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new version of 
> ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it recommended 
> getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not available in a 
> wheezy repo.

Yes, I still don't understand why you install stretch but then run
wheezy. It's normal for modern systems to understand older formats,
but old systems' authors can't foresee future features. Say that fast.

> So I reboot to a different installer supplied by the linuxcnc people, and 
> installed it. Weird, I had access to the network, and could download 
> updates, but when I looked in /dev/ no sign of either eth0 or enp0s8.  

Eh? in /dev?

> Installed some more stuff with aptitude,logged out and rebooted to that 
> install, and now my network is dead.
> So, working from a terminal, I've tried to configure it manually, and 
> that fails, so I am now back on wheezy, which Just Works. And I've no 
> quick and dirty way to copy/paste those errors after a reboot, isolating 
> that filesystem from wheezy. 
> 
> If you want to help, give me a link to a printable tut on how to make a 
> working static, host based for local lookups, but uses my router, which 
> in turn will forward the dns requests it cannot answer from dnsmasq, to 
> real servers on the outside network, like my isp's network. On stretch.
> 
> I've read the gibberish man page for ip & friends, since ifconfig is 
> gone, and apparently so it route, but gibberish  is the correct term 
> when there is not a working example line in the whole man page just to 
> prove it works.

Eh?

$ cat /etc/debian_version 
9.5
$ /sbin/ifconfig 
enp1s0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        ether 08:9e:01:c8:67:7e  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
        inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
        inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
        loop  txqueuelen 1  (Local Loopback)
        RX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

wlp2s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.1.17  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
        inet6 fe80::e8b:fdff:fe0b:67fb  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>
        ether 0c:8b:fd:0b:67:fb  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 1291291  bytes 238957455 (227.8 MiB)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 157560  bytes 65731010 (62.6 MiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

$ /sbin/route 
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface
default         router          0.0.0.0         UG    0      0       0 wlp2s0
192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0       0 wlp2s0
$ 

> So I've zero network troubleshooting tools when booted to stretch.  And 
> you are giving me what for, but zero help.
> 
> So show me a tut which I can use to make it work, Mike.

O'Really? Gene, meet google. Google, meet Gene. There are whole tomes
of this stuff which are downloadable in slightly frayed editions.
I've posted references to one or two, generally under Owlett threads.

Cheers,
David.

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#199128

On Monday 20 August 2018 20:08:11 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 16:27:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 20 August 2018 11:13:08 Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then
> > > > I'd call it a bug.
> > >
> > > I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you
> > > failed to ever provide basic information like "what is the result
> > > of trying to mount the partition" so we're left guessing here.
> >
> > If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new
> > version of ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it
> > recommended getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not
> > available in a wheezy repo.
>
> Yes, I still don't understand why you install stretch but then run
> wheezy. It's normal for modern systems to understand older formats,
> but old systems' authors can't foresee future features. Say that fast.
>
> > So I reboot to a different installer supplied by the linuxcnc
> > people, and installed it. Weird, I had access to the network, and
> > could download updates, but when I looked in /dev/ no sign of either
> > eth0 or enp0s8.
>
> Eh? in /dev?
>
Absolutely no trace of either an eth# or an enp0s# there. At that point I 
looked to see if it was 5 o-clock yet.  Wasn't, dammit.

> > Installed some more stuff with aptitude,logged out and rebooted to
> > that install, and now my network is dead.
> > So, working from a terminal, I've tried to configure it manually,
> > and that fails, so I am now back on wheezy, which Just Works. And
> > I've no quick and dirty way to copy/paste those errors after a
> > reboot, isolating that filesystem from wheezy.
> >
> > If you want to help, give me a link to a printable tut on how to
> > make a working static, host based for local lookups, but uses my
> > router, which in turn will forward the dns requests it cannot answer
> > from dnsmasq, to real servers on the outside network, like my isp's
> > network. On stretch.
> >
> > I've read the gibberish man page for ip & friends, since ifconfig is
> > gone, and apparently so it route, but gibberish  is the correct term
> > when there is not a working example line in the whole man page just
> > to prove it works.
>
> Eh?
>
> $ cat /etc/debian_version
> 9.5
> $ /sbin/ifconfig

not found

> enp1s0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
>         ether 08:9e:01:c8:67:7e  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>         RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>         TX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>
> lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
>         inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
>         inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
>         loop  txqueuelen 1  (Local Loopback)
>         RX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>         TX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>
> wlp2s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
>         inet 192.168.1.17  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast
> 192.168.1.255 inet6 fe80::e8b:fdff:fe0b:67fb  prefixlen 64  scopeid
> 0x20<link> ether 0c:8b:fd:0b:67:fb  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>         RX packets 1291291  bytes 238957455 (227.8 MiB)
>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>         TX packets 157560  bytes 65731010 (62.6 MiB)
>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>
> $ /sbin/route

not found, even with a sudo preface for both of them.

> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref   Use
> Iface default         router          0.0.0.0         UG    0      0  
>     0 wlp2s0 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0  
>    0       0 wlp2s0 $
>
> > So I've zero network troubleshooting tools when booted to stretch. 
> > And you are giving me what for, but zero help.
> >
> > So show me a tut which I can use to make it work, Mike.
>
> O'Really? Gene, meet google. Google, meet Gene. There are whole tomes
> of this stuff which are downloadable in slightly frayed editions.
> I've posted references to one or two, generally under Owlett threads.

I'll have to go back and look, might even have one or two marked 
important.

> Cheers,

Take care David.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199129

I like network manager when I'm out and about with my notebook it
works great for connecting to wireless hotspots. It does what it was
designed for.

The new udev naming convention does look strange but at least udev no
longer randomly flip flops the nics on my UTM putting the inside
ruleset on the outside interface and outside ruleset on the inside
interface. It would have been better if they could have kept the eth0
style convention and used a file to keep persistence in the naming and
activating.



On 8/20/18, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 20:08:11 David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 16:27:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Monday 20 August 2018 11:13:08 Michael Stone wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > > >sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then
>> > > > I'd call it a bug.
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you
>> > > failed to ever provide basic information like "what is the result
>> > > of trying to mount the partition" so we're left guessing here.
>> >
>> > If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new
>> > version of ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it
>> > recommended getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not
>> > available in a wheezy repo.
>>
>> Yes, I still don't understand why you install stretch but then run
>> wheezy. It's normal for modern systems to understand older formats,
>> but old systems' authors can't foresee future features. Say that fast.
>>
>> > So I reboot to a different installer supplied by the linuxcnc
>> > people, and installed it. Weird, I had access to the network, and
>> > could download updates, but when I looked in /dev/ no sign of either
>> > eth0 or enp0s8.
>>
>> Eh? in /dev?
>>
> Absolutely no trace of either an eth# or an enp0s# there. At that point I
> looked to see if it was 5 o-clock yet.  Wasn't, dammit.
>
>> > Installed some more stuff with aptitude,logged out and rebooted to
>> > that install, and now my network is dead.
>> > So, working from a terminal, I've tried to configure it manually,
>> > and that fails, so I am now back on wheezy, which Just Works. And
>> > I've no quick and dirty way to copy/paste those errors after a
>> > reboot, isolating that filesystem from wheezy.
>> >
>> > If you want to help, give me a link to a printable tut on how to
>> > make a working static, host based for local lookups, but uses my
>> > router, which in turn will forward the dns requests it cannot answer
>> > from dnsmasq, to real servers on the outside network, like my isp's
>> > network. On stretch.
>> >
>> > I've read the gibberish man page for ip & friends, since ifconfig is
>> > gone, and apparently so it route, but gibberish  is the correct term
>> > when there is not a working example line in the whole man page just
>> > to prove it works.
>>
>> Eh?
>>
>> $ cat /etc/debian_version
>> 9.5
>> $ /sbin/ifconfig
>
> not found
>
>> enp1s0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
>>         ether 08:9e:01:c8:67:7e  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>>         RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
>>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>>         TX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
>>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>>
>> lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
>>         inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
>>         inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
>>         loop  txqueuelen 1  (Local Loopback)
>>         RX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
>>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>>         TX packets 594  bytes 42487 (41.4 KiB)
>>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>>
>> wlp2s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
>>         inet 192.168.1.17  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast
>> 192.168.1.255 inet6 fe80::e8b:fdff:fe0b:67fb  prefixlen 64  scopeid
>> 0x20<link> ether 0c:8b:fd:0b:67:fb  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>>         RX packets 1291291  bytes 238957455 (227.8 MiB)
>>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>>         TX packets 157560  bytes 65731010 (62.6 MiB)
>>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>>
>> $ /sbin/route
>
> not found, even with a sudo preface for both of them.
>
>> Kernel IP routing table
>> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref   Use
>> Iface default         router          0.0.0.0         UG    0      0
>>     0 wlp2s0 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0
>>    0       0 wlp2s0 $
>>
>> > So I've zero network troubleshooting tools when booted to stretch.
>> > And you are giving me what for, but zero help.
>> >
>> > So show me a tut which I can use to make it work, Mike.
>>
>> O'Really? Gene, meet google. Google, meet Gene. There are whole tomes
>> of this stuff which are downloadable in slightly frayed editions.
>> I've posted references to one or two, generally under Owlett threads.
>
> I'll have to go back and look, might even have one or two marked
> important.
>
>> Cheers,
>
> Take care David.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>

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#199140

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 09:23:27PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 20:08:11 David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 16:27:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > So I reboot to a different installer supplied by the linuxcnc
> > > people, and installed it. Weird, I had access to the network, and
> > > could download updates, but when I looked in /dev/ no sign of either
> > > eth0 or enp0s8.
> >
> > Eh? in /dev?
> >
> Absolutely no trace of either an eth# or an enp0s# there. At that point I 
> looked to see if it was 5 o-clock yet.  Wasn't, dammit.

Debian has never put network interface device nodes in /dev.  I don't
know why you expected to see them there.

If you want to learn the names of your network interfaces, there are
several commands that may work:

ip link
netstat -in
ifconfig -a

On any given release or installed-instance of Debian, one or more of these
may not be available, so learn 'em all.  "ip link" is the preferred one
these days, so I put it at the top of the list.

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#199090

On 20/08/18 05:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much 
> continuity as possible?

Those other areas, are they logical volumes perhaps?  lvms.

Cheers
A.

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#199110

On Monday 20 August 2018 11:23:00 Andrew McGlashan wrote:

> On 20/08/18 05:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> > much continuity as possible?
>
> Those other areas, are they logical volumes perhaps?  lvms.
>
No, straight partitions according to gparted.

> Cheers
> A.



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199126

On 08/20/2018 01:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2018 11:23:00 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> 
>> On 20/08/18 05:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
>>> much continuity as possible?
>>
>> Those other areas, are they logical volumes perhaps?  lvms.
>>
> No, straight partitions according to gparted.
> 
>> Cheers
>> A.


Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times. If you run #fdisk -l while 
in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using gparted move 
the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or smaller, if you 
have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes. UUID will not change 
and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in wheezy see if you can mount. 
  If not you can disable the checksums. To disable checksums on an 
existing filesystem, ensure that the filesystem will pass fsck. Then 
turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
      #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk

The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
          #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2
Registered Linux User #380263

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#199174

On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 18:13:22 (-0700), Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 08/20/2018 01:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Monday 20 August 2018 11:23:00 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> >>On 20/08/18 05:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>>Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> >>>much continuity as possible?
> >>
> >>Those other areas, are they logical volumes perhaps?  lvms.
> >>
> >No, straight partitions according to gparted.
> 
> Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times.

It might be useful for posterity to explain what it is in Gene's
extensive posts that you've seen before and which demands such
actions as "described" below.

> If you run #fdisk -l
> while in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using
> gparted move the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or
> smaller, if you have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes.
> UUID will not change and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in
> wheezy see if you can mount.  If not you can disable the checksums.
> To disable checksums on an existing filesystem, ensure that the
> filesystem will pass fsck. Then turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
>      #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk
> 
> The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
>          #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx

Cheers,
David.

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#199204

On 08/21/2018 10:28 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 20 Aug 2018 at 18:13:22 (-0700), Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> On 08/20/2018 01:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Monday 20 August 2018 11:23:00 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/08/18 05:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>>> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
>>>>> much continuity as possible?
>>>>
>>>> Those other areas, are they logical volumes perhaps?  lvms.
>>>>
>>> No, straight partitions according to gparted.
>>
>> Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times.
> 
> It might be useful for posterity to explain what it is in Gene's
> extensive posts that you've seen before and which demands such
> actions as "described" below.


Thanks David, I thought I was replaying to the first post, I tried again.

>> If you run #fdisk -l
>> while in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using
>> gparted move the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or
>> smaller, if you have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes.
>> UUID will not change and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in
>> wheezy see if you can mount.  If not you can disable the checksums.
>> To disable checksums on an existing filesystem, ensure that the
>> filesystem will pass fsck. Then turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
>>       #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk
>>
>> The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
>>           #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 


-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2
Registered Linux User #380263

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#199205

On 08/19/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and
> format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let
> it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> 
> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff, like an
> email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> 
> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually mount,
> because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all the mount
> and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> 
> For instance, its not mounted:
> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> 
> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available wheezy
> version of e2fsck.
> 
> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as much
> continuity as possible?
> 
> Thanks all.


Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times. If you run #fdisk -l while 
in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using gparted move 
the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or smaller, if you 
have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes. UUID will not change 
and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in wheezy see if you can mount. 
  If not you can disable the checksums. To disable checksums on an 
existing filesystem, ensure that the filesystem will pass fsck. Then 
turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
      #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk

The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
          #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2
Registered Linux User #380263

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#199209

On Tuesday 21 August 2018 18:33:50 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 08/19/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition
> > and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I
> > didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting
> > wheezy from.
> >
> > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> > like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> >
> > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> > mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> > the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
> >
> > For instance, its not mounted:
> > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> >
> > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
> > wheezy version of e2fsck.
> >
> > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> > much continuity as possible?
> >
> > Thanks all.
>
> Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times. If you run #fdisk -l
> while in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using
> gparted move the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or
> smaller, if you have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes. UUID
> will not change and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in wheezy see
> if you can mount. If not you can disable the checksums. To disable
> checksums on an existing filesystem, ensure that the filesystem will
> pass fsck. Then turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
>       #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk
>
> The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
>           #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx

Thanks Jimmy. I haven't gotten that far, as I've done 6 or 7 installs 
today and it will not install grub on anything but /dev/sda.

So now I've swapped the drives so that the new one is sda and this one 
I'm booted from is now sdb, and am about to reformat it to suit me with 
wheezy's gparted, then try another install. Broken damned installers. 
After the last try, I rebooted to the dvd in live mode, thinking I could 
do a grub-install from there, only to find that that boot had no trace 
of the grub tools.

What a revoltin development that was!

Damned dvd has 3+ gigs of empty space and they can't find room for grub2 
tools?  Good Grief, they're staying up nights trying to make a stretch 
install come up broken on the reboot.

I'll be useing my bigger lathe to make a big piss-elm club, same one I'll 
use on the next person that thinks north of 70 yo is the golden years. 
I'll call it my educational club. ;-)

So its off to do the 8th install to the same hard drive today...

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199210

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:29:12PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>So its off to do the 8th install to the same hard drive today...

Just think of all the time you might not have wasted if you'd just told 
us what the problem was when you tried to mount the partition. Because
what you're trying to do works perfectly well here without all this 
hoop-jumping.

Mike Stone

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#199212

On 08/21/2018 05:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 August 2018 18:33:50 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On 08/19/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition
>>> and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I
>>> didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is  booting
>>> wheezy from.
>>>
>>> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
>>> like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
>>>
>>> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
>>> mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
>>> the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file systems.
>>>
>>> For instance, its not mounted:
>>> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
>>> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
>>> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
>>> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
>>>
>>> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
>>> wheezy version of e2fsck.
>>>
>>> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
>>> much continuity as possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times. If you run #fdisk -l
>> while in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using
>> gparted move the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or
>> smaller, if you have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes. UUID
>> will not change and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in wheezy see
>> if you can mount. If not you can disable the checksums. To disable
>> checksums on an existing filesystem, ensure that the filesystem will
>> pass fsck. Then turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
>>        #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk
>>
>> The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with force.
>>            #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx
> 
> Thanks Jimmy. I haven't gotten that far, as I've done 6 or 7 installs
> today and it will not install grub on anything but /dev/sda.


Run #fdisk -l, only takes a moment...If you have a bad partition-table, 
formatting will not fix it.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Slackware64 14.2 - Just Say No! To SystemD, Plasma5 & Drugs!
KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9
Registered Linux User #380263

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#199216

On Tuesday 21 August 2018 21:51:36 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 08/21/2018 05:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 August 2018 18:33:50 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >> On 08/19/2018 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it
> >>> autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home
> >>> partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st
> >>> drive it was/is  booting wheezy from.
> >>>
> >>> I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal stuff,
> >>> like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to 2002.
> >>>
> >>> But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will actually
> >>> mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are incompatible, nearly all
> >>> the mount and e2tools can't touch the installers ext4 file
> >>> systems.
> >>>
> >>> For instance, its not mounted:
> >>> gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> >>> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> >>> /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> >>> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> >>>
> >>> And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest available
> >>> wheezy version of e2fsck.
> >>>
> >>> Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain as
> >>> much continuity as possible?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all.
> >>
> >> Hi Gene, I've seen this before, a few times. If you run #fdisk -l
> >> while in stretch and get error, you need to fix that first, using
> >> gparted move the ailing partition '1'byte, just one digit larger or
> >> smaller, if you have to shrink another partition, do it '2'bytes.
> >> UUID will not change and it will pass fdisk -l no error.  Now in
> >> wheezy see if you can mount. If not you can disable the checksums.
> >> To disable checksums on an existing filesystem, ensure that the
> >> filesystem will pass fsck. Then turn off metadata_csum via tune2fs.
> >>        #tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/path/to/disk
> >>
> >> The above is for ext4, for repairing partition I use this with
> >> force. #fsck.ext4 -pvcf /dev/sdxx
> >
> > Thanks Jimmy. I haven't gotten that far, as I've done 6 or 7
> > installs today and it will not install grub on anything but
> > /dev/sda.
>
> Run #fdisk -l, only takes a moment...If you have a bad
> partition-table, formatting will not fix it.

It does shut the installer up from complaining about the drive has data 
from an old install though. :) And its too late to restart another 
install tonight.  And I have an appointment with my GP tomorrow to 
discuss the protein levels in my liquid output. So we'll have to see 
what that leads to.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#199213

Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 20:29 (UTC-0400):

> it will not install grub on anything but /dev/sda.

I've been scratching my head trying to remember the details of bootloader
installation in debian-installer and coming up nada, except for somehow being
able to specify /dev/null as location, let it complain about bootloader
installation failure, and not have it corrupt my existing bootloader
configuration, which always includes generic/legacy compatible MBR code.
-- 
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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