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  Request for information David Wilson <inboxemailer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 23:50 +0200
    Re: Request for information Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-17 00:40 +0200
      Re: Request for information Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-17 00:50 +0200
        Re: Request for information Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-17 01:50 +0200
          Re: Request for information Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-17 02:20 +0200
          Re: Request for information Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-08-17 05:50 +0200
          Re: Request for information Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-17 06:40 +0200
            Re: Request for information Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-17 06:50 +0200
              Re: Request for information <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-17 09:00 +0200
                Re: Request for information Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-17 09:20 +0200
                  Re: Request for information <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-17 09:30 +0200

#198894 — Request for information

Hi, My name is David Wilson from Pilgrim Quality Solutions
I am writing to request further information about your company.
We need some one from your side to ask him a few questions,
Reply me asap please!
Thank you,
David Wilson
Business Development Representative
Pilgrim Quality Solutions Inc.

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#198896

On Thursday 16 August 2018 17:30:26 David Wilson wrote:

> Hi, My name is David Wilson from Pilgrim Quality Solutions
> I am writing to request further information about your company.
> We need some one from your side to ask him a few questions,
> Reply me asap please!
> Thank you,
> David Wilson
> Business Development Representative
> Pilgrim Quality Solutions Inc.

1st, debian.org is not a 'company' in that sense.

So your first order of business is to hand your legal dept. a copy of the 
license commonly called the gpl-v2. google can get you thousands of 
copies of, all you are out is the ost of the paper to print it. It has 
some very surprising usage conditions which are almost the exact 
opposite of any proprietary license. If your legal dept can live with 
that, make like a frog and jump right in.

Oh, and I do not represent debian in any capacity except as a happy user.
 
Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably clarify 
it further, but I didn't want you to think you are being ignored.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198897

On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 18:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[Almost everything snipped - for obvious reasons.]

> Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably clarify 
> it further, but I didn't want you to think you are being ignored.

Ignoring it would have been the better choice. I do not think you
would have hurt his feelings by doing so. :)

-- 
Brian.

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#198899

On Thursday 16 August 2018 18:46:26 Brian wrote:

> On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 18:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [Almost everything snipped - for obvious reasons.]
>
> > Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably
> > clarify it further, but I didn't want you to think you are being
> > ignored.
>
> Ignoring it would have been the better choice. I do not think you
> would have hurt his feelings by doing so. :)

From the line of his msg, it was obvious he, and apparently no one else 
at his place, had ever heard of the gpl-v2. The main point of that being 
that they can't take it and put their own license on it. That battle has 
been won in most of the courts on this wet rock already by the gpl being 
found valid. But I would expect they will walk away without another word 
when they find there is no warranty.  People like that have a need for 
somebody to sue if it doesn't Just Work, for their definition of works. 
They are totally unwilling to accept any liability and will run like 
turpentine doused cats to find somebody to blame. And thats one less 
thing this camp has to worry about when they do back away.

Basicly, Brian, IMNSHO, the gpl is saying TANSTAAFL, a concept their MBA 
degree professors never explained. I'm afraid I have to chuckle 
everytime I see it being enforced. An MBA degree means they've had 
common sense beat out of them. And they willingly subjected themselves 
to it.

Take care now Brian.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198901

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 07:48:28PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 16 August 2018 18:46:26 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 18:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > [Almost everything snipped - for obvious reasons.]
> >
> > > Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably
> > > clarify it further, but I didn't want you to think you are being
> > > ignored.
> >
> > Ignoring it would have been the better choice. I do not think you
> > would have hurt his feelings by doing so. :)
> 
> From the line of his msg, it was obvious he, and apparently no one else 
> at his place, had ever heard of the gpl-v2. The main point of that being 
> that they can't take it and put their own license on it. That battle has 
> been won in most of the courts on this wet rock already by the gpl being 
> found valid. But I would expect they will walk away without another word 
> when they find there is no warranty.  People like that have a need for 
> somebody to sue if it doesn't Just Work, for their definition of works. 
> They are totally unwilling to accept any liability and will run like 
> turpentine doused cats to find somebody to blame. And thats one less 
> thing this camp has to worry about when they do back away.
> 
> Basicly, Brian, IMNSHO, the gpl is saying TANSTAAFL, a concept their MBA 
> degree professors never explained. I'm afraid I have to chuckle 
> everytime I see it being enforced. An MBA degree means they've had 
> common sense beat out of them. And they willingly subjected themselves 
> to it.
> 
> Take care now Brian.

Or it's just an age old email harvesting scam - someone building a
list of "certified email addresses" to on-sell as many times as they
can...

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#198905

Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:

> On Thursday 16 August 2018 18:46:26 Brian wrote:
>
>> On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 18:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> [Almost everything snipped - for obvious reasons.]
>>
>> > Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably
>> > clarify it further, but I didn't want you to think you are being
>> > ignored.
>>
>> Ignoring it would have been the better choice. I do not think you
>> would have hurt his feelings by doing so. :)
>
> From the line of his msg, it was obvious he, and apparently no one else 
> at his place, had ever heard of the gpl-v2. The main point of that being 
> that they can't take it and put their own license on it. That battle has 
> been won in most of the courts on this wet rock already by the gpl being 
> found valid. But I would expect they will walk away without another word 
> when they find there is no warranty.  People like that have a need for 
> somebody to sue if it doesn't Just Work, for their definition of works. 
> They are totally unwilling to accept any liability and will run like 
> turpentine doused cats to find somebody to blame. And thats one less 
> thing this camp has to worry about when they do back away.
>
> Basicly, Brian, IMNSHO, the gpl is saying TANSTAAFL, a concept their MBA 
> degree professors never explained. I'm afraid I have to chuckle 
> everytime I see it being enforced. An MBA degree means they've had 
> common sense beat out of them. And they willingly subjected themselves 
> to it.
>
> Take care now Brian.

You're giving him too much credit.  There's no evidence he even knew he
was asking the question of a place that develops software; his query
would have made just as much sense delivered to a tennis shoe
manufacturer.  It looked like a mass email hoping to get some leads
for... something...

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#198906

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 07:48:28PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> Basicly, Brian, IMNSHO, the gpl is saying TANSTAAFL, a concept their MBA 
> degree professors never explained. I'm afraid I have to chuckle 
> everytime I see it being enforced. An MBA degree means they've had 
> common sense beat out of them. And they willingly subjected themselves 
> to it.

Now, I'm up to mock an MBA as much as anyone, but every MBA who 
paid any attention knows what the GPL is. Here are the words
that they can understand, should it come up:

The GPL is a simple and straightforward blanket IP license which
requires an unusual form of payment: the consideration on your 
part is to publish the entire codebase of derivative works, at
no additional cost, to anyone who receives such a derivative
work from you in any manner, under the same GPL license. In
addition, there is a royalty-free patent usage grant provision
for derivative works, and a few other minor explanations.

But in this particular case, I think it was probably a spammer
or scammer looking for targets.

-dsr-

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#198907

On Friday 17 August 2018 00:35:30 Dan Ritter wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 07:48:28PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Basicly, Brian, IMNSHO, the gpl is saying TANSTAAFL, a concept their
> > MBA degree professors never explained. I'm afraid I have to chuckle
> > everytime I see it being enforced. An MBA degree means they've had
> > common sense beat out of them. And they willingly subjected
> > themselves to it.
>
> Now, I'm up to mock an MBA as much as anyone, but every MBA who
> paid any attention knows what the GPL is. Here are the words
> that they can understand, should it come up:
>
> The GPL is a simple and straightforward blanket IP license which
> requires an unusual form of payment: the consideration on your
> part is to publish the entire codebase of derivative works, at
> no additional cost, to anyone who receives such a derivative
> work from you in any manner, under the same GPL license. In
> addition, there is a royalty-free patent usage grant provision
> for derivative works, and a few other minor explanations.
>
> But in this particular case, I think it was probably a spammer
> or scammer looking for targets.
>
> -dsr-
Entirely probable.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198909

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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:49:22AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 17 August 2018 00:35:30 Dan Ritter wrote:

[...]

> > But in this particular case, I think it was probably a spammer
> > or scammer looking for targets.
> >
> > -dsr-
> Entirely probable.

Yep, looks like that. I studied the headers, and did a little
superficial research: "Pilgrim Quality Solutions, Inc." seems
to actually exist [1], although it seems highly improbable that
someone writing officially on their behalf writes from an address
like <inboxemailer@gmail.com>.

The other thing which sticks out is -- DKIM, Spamhaus et al. are
all fine -- no wonder since the mail is coming from Google. The
result of all those anti-spam contortions à la DKIM and SPF seems
to be that the Big Boys get the monopoly on spam -- as if they
hadn't enough monopolies already.

Sometimes I'm glad I'm *that* old. Apologies to the younger ones
for leaving behind such a stinkin' mess. Honestly: we believed
we were creating something great.

Cheers

[1] <https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=3272148>
- -- tomás

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#198911

On Friday 17 August 2018 02:59:23 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:49:22AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 17 August 2018 00:35:30 Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > But in this particular case, I think it was probably a spammer
> > > or scammer looking for targets.
> > >
> > > -dsr-
> >
> > Entirely probable.
>
> Yep, looks like that. I studied the headers, and did a little
> superficial research: "Pilgrim Quality Solutions, Inc." seems
> to actually exist [1], although it seems highly improbable that
> someone writing officially on their behalf writes from an address
> like <inboxemailer@gmail.com>.
>
> The other thing which sticks out is -- DKIM, Spamhaus et al. are
> all fine -- no wonder since the mail is coming from Google. The
> result of all those anti-spam contortions à la DKIM and SPF seems
> to be that the Big Boys get the monopoly on spam -- as if they
> hadn't enough monopolies already.
>
> Sometimes I'm glad I'm *that* old. Apologies to the younger ones
> for leaving behind such a stinkin' mess. Honestly: we believed
> we were creating something great.
>
> Cheers
>
I would not paint you folks, all contemporaries of mine with that broad a 
brush. There seems to be an endless supply of folks who never heard of 
TANSTAAFL, and once hearing about it, are convinced it doesn't apply to 
them. A western movie actor named Marion Morrison when he was born, in a 
county seat town about 7 miles from where I grew up, you know him as 
John Wayne, once said "stupidity should be painfull" comes to mind, but 
in our so-called PC society today, theres a painkiller for that. Dammit.
> [1]
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privca
>pId=3272148> -- tomás

That said, its time to go back to bed, I try to be a good geek, checking 
my email when my kidneys get me up. ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198912

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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 03:17:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]

> [...] "stupidity should be painfull" comes to mind, but 
> in our so-called PC society today, theres a painkiller for that.

:-)

Cheers
- -- t
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