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  need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request  soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2018-08-14 08:40 +0200
    Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in  /Bugs/server-request <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-14 09:10 +0200
      Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2018-08-14 09:50 +0200
        Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in  /Bugs/server-request <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-14 10:40 +0200
        Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in  /Bugs/server-request Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-14 11:40 +0200
    Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-08-14 09:50 +0200
      Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2018-08-14 10:30 +0200
    Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in  /Bugs/server-request Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-14 10:50 +0200
      Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-08-14 11:20 +0200
      SOLVED (Was: Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request) soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2018-08-14 11:20 +0200

#198741 — need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:

#+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
of the reply.
#+END_SRC

Help me, please...

Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea.

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#198745 — Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 03:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:

I can't find the text you are referring to. An URL would be nice.

Anyway, I'll try to do my best without context:

> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
> of the reply.
> #+END_SRC

I interpret this as "the only place where the Subject of the message is
used is in the Subject of the reply".

Perhaps this is about the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); some of the
bug report's mail headers have a special meaning to the BTS (the To:
address, for example, contains the bug ID). That would mean that the
Subject itself is not used, except to generate the reply's Subject
(which would be important to help the person sending the bug report
to correlate the reply (s)he receives).

Don't hesitate to ask back if things seem less clear now :-)

Cheers
- -- tomás
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#198748

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 03:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>
> I can't find the text you are referring to. An URL would be nice.
>
> Anyway, I'll try to do my best without context:
>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>> of the reply.
>> #+END_SRC
>
> I interpret this as "the only place where the Subject of the message is
> used is in the Subject of the reply".
>
> Perhaps this is about the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); some of the
> bug report's mail headers have a special meaning to the BTS (the To:
> address, for example, contains the bug ID). That would mean that the
> Subject itself is not used, except to generate the reply's Subject
> (which would be important to help the person sending the bug report
> to correlate the reply (s)he receives).
>
> Don't hesitate to ask back if things seem less clear now :-)

So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html

I need more example. Tomas, please...

Thanks for advance...

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#198754 — Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 04:49:00PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

[...]

> So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
> The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html

Hey, thanks for the link!

> I need more example. Tomas, please...

It might take me a while to read & understand, but I'll come back
to it later, promised :-)

In the meantime hoping for insightful answers (I see one by Thomas).
Cheers, later
- -- tomás
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#198762 — Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

On 2018-08-14, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> wrote:
><tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 03:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>>
>> I can't find the text you are referring to. An URL would be nice.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll try to do my best without context:
>>
>>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>>> of the reply.
>>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> I interpret this as "the only place where the Subject of the message is
>> used is in the Subject of the reply".
>>
>> Perhaps this is about the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); some of the
>> bug report's mail headers have a special meaning to the BTS (the To:
>> address, for example, contains the bug ID). That would mean that the
>> Subject itself is not used, except to generate the reply's Subject
>> (which would be important to help the person sending the bug report
>> to correlate the reply (s)he receives).
>>
>> Don't hesitate to ask back if things seem less clear now :-)
>
> So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
> The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html
>
> I need more example. Tomas, please...
>
> Thanks for advance...
>

My take on it is the following. 

You send an email to request@bugs.debian.org because you want to know
all about bug # 22:

 Subject: Everything on bug # 22
 
(body of message containing one command and one control terminator)

 send-detail 22 (command)

 thank you (control terminator)

The automated program derives the subject line of its reply from 
the sender's subject line (common practice in the email world):

Reply:

 Subject: Re: Everything on bug # 22

 Blah blah blah blah on bug # 22

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Louise Erdrich, Love Medicine

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#198749

Hi,

i too read on
  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request
  "The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
   of the reply."

This is indeed a riddling statement.
Last time i submitted a bug it had the subject:

  live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is larger than its isosize

which i did not repeat in the message body. The body began with these
pseudo-headers:

  Source: live-wrapper
  Version: which made debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso, possibly newer than 0.7
  Severity: normal

Nevertheless
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898995
showed up with the message subject as headline.

Further it was forwarded to debian-live mailing list with subject:
  Bug#898995: live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is larger than its isosize

So i am puzzled too by the statement in question.
(And i doubt that <owner@bugs.debian.org> is the right place to ask for
 clarification ...)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#198751

"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> writes:

> Hi,
>
> i too read on
>   https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request
>   "The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>    of the reply."
>
> This is indeed a riddling statement.
> Last time i submitted a bug it had the subject:
>
>   live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is larger than its isosize
>
> which i did not repeat in the message body. The body began with these
> pseudo-headers:
>
>   Source: live-wrapper
>   Version: which made debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso, possibly newer than 0.7
>   Severity: normal
>
> Nevertheless
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898995
> showed up with the message subject as headline.
>
> Further it was forwarded to debian-live mailing list with subject:
>   Bug#898995: live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is larger than its isosize
>
> So i am puzzled too by the statement in question.
> (And i doubt that <owner@bugs.debian.org> is the right place to ask for
>  clarification ...)

After read your comments, i did understand as "Always BTS server do re-write first
reporter's Subject, except for reply's Subject.". Still i am chaotic...

Thanks for your time, Thomas^^^

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#198755 — Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

On Tue 14 Aug 2018 at 15:34:06 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:

> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
> 
> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
> of the reply.
> #+END_SRC
> 
> Help me, please...

It needs to be understood in the context of the whole of the first
section.

The body of the mail contains the commands to request@bugs.debian.org.
This is the important aspect; the process will not work without its
being done.

The subject of the mail has no importance and request@bugs.debian.org
will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank). The reply will
have "Re: Send for bugnumber". That might be useful to the sender.

IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

-- 
Brian.

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#198760

Hi,

i now understand that the page is not about _submitting_ bugs but rather
for operating the bug tracker.
In that light, Brian's statement would indeed explain the meaning.

Brian wrote:
> The subject of the mail has no importance and request@bugs.debian.org
> will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
> such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank).
> 
> IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
> message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

If this theory is correct, i'd prepend a half sentence to the original
statement:

  "Other than with submitting a bug report,
   the Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the
   Subject of the reply."

I lookied up some control action in closed bugs.
The message
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632865;msg=25
indeed has a subject which does not show up on the bug page:
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632865


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#198761 — SOLVED (Was: Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request)

Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes:

> On Tue 14 Aug 2018 at 15:34:06 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>
>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>> 
>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>> of the reply.
>> #+END_SRC
>> 
>> Help me, please...
>
> It needs to be understood in the context of the whole of the first
> section.
>
> The body of the mail contains the commands to request@bugs.debian.org.
> This is the important aspect; the process will not work without its
> being done.
>
> The subject of the mail has no importance and request@bugs.debian.org
> will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
> such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank). The reply will
> have "Re: Send for bugnumber". That might be useful to the sender.

Thanks for explanation for background reason, indeed...

> IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
> message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

So i now solved problem, thanks Brian^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee.

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