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  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" zaxonxp <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 13:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-10 14:10 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:20 +0200

#198553 — Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:40:02 +0200, tech wrote:

> The way most people keep up to date on network news is through
> subscription to a number of mail reflectors (also known as mail
> exploders). Mail reflectors are special electronic mailboxes which, when
> they receive a message, resend it to a list of other mailboxes. This in
> effect creates a discussion group on a particular topic.
> - E. Krol; The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet; RFC 1118; Sept. 1989.
> 
> 
> Seem's the first "bitnic listserv" is dated from 1984 ! More than 34
> years ago !
> 
> 
> Just as a reminder, we are now in 2018 ... something called the XXI
> century ... with 4G, optical FTTH connection, smartphones ...
> 
> 
> Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something
> more modern like a bugzilla or else ???

NNTP was a way to go. Sadly not many portals supports it promoting only 
web access or mail list. Personally I do not like to polute my mailbox 
with a tons of e-mails and clean them up later on. NNTP client does this 
when I want it and you can configure it the way you want it. What else 
would you need for a news groups?

Regards,
Piotr

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#198559

On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote:

> 
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> On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:40:02 +0200, tech wrote:
> > The way most people keep up to date on network news is through
> > subscription to a number of mail reflectors (also known as mail
> > exploders). Mail reflectors are special electronic mailboxes which,
> > when they receive a message, resend it to a list of other mailboxes.
> > This in effect creates a discussion group on a particular topic.
> > - E. Krol; The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet; RFC 1118; Sept.
> > 1989.
> >
> >
> > Seem's the first "bitnic listserv" is dated from 1984 ! More than 34
> > years ago !
> >
> >
> > Just as a reminder, we are now in 2018 ... something called the XXI
> > century ... with 4G, optical FTTH connection, smartphones ...
> >
> >
> > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something
> > more modern like a bugzilla or else ???
>
> NNTP was a way to go. Sadly not many portals supports it promoting
> only web access or mail list. Personally I do not like to polute my
> mailbox with a tons of e-mails and clean them up later on. NNTP client
> does this when I want it and you can configure it the way you want it.
> What else would you need for a news groups?
>
> Regards,
> Piotr

And NNTP will never get there. Why? Its the most bandwidth hungry thing 
in an ISP's closet of tools. To fully support it needs 2000 times the 
bandwidth of an email server.  And bandwidth like that to the backbone 
can bankrupt the ISP. Even web access to a forum wastes 90% of the 
bandwidth it uses with html crap you can't read. TANSTAAFL. 


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198569

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote:
>> [...]
>> NNTP was a way to go. Sadly not many portals supports it promoting
>> only web access or mail list. Personally I do not like to polute my
>> mailbox with a tons of e-mails and clean them up later on. NNTP client
>> does this when I want it and you can configure it the way you want it.
>> What else would you need for a news groups?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Piotr
>
> And NNTP will never get there. Why? Its the most bandwidth hungry thing 
> in an ISP's closet of tools. To fully support it needs 2000 times the 
> bandwidth of an email server.  

Maybe eternal-september is simply an extremely quiet news server, but
the stats page shows they've been transferring at just under 100kbps
(max) over the past month (avg 55kbps).


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