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how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

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First post2018-08-01 00:00 +0200
Last post2018-08-02 03:50 +0200
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  how to prevent security update installation during stretch   installation Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-01 00:00 +0200
    Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-01 02:40 +0200
      Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-08-01 02:50 +0200
        Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-01 03:10 +0200
          Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-08-01 03:30 +0200
      Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 07:50 +0200
        Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-01 10:10 +0200
          Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-08-01 20:40 +0200
          Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch  installation David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-08-02 03:50 +0200

#198126 — how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-08-01 00:00 +0200
Subjecthow to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whKQp-1zv-3@gated-at.bofh.it>

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i plan to install debian by network
i don't like security update, how to do it? Thanks!

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#198129 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-08-01 02:40 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whNlf-3c2-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198126
On 07/31/2018 02:56 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> i plan to install debian by network

Okay.


> i don't like security update, 

Why not?


> how to do it? Thanks!

One possibility is to  configure your Internet gateway to block traffic 
between the host and the Internet, and then install from CD-1, DVD-*, 
BD-*, etc., media.


David

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#198130 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromRoberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org>
Date2018-08-01 02:50 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whNuV-3fz-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198129
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 05:36:41PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> 
> One possibility is to  configure your Internet gateway to block traffic
> between the host and the Internet, and then install from CD-1, DVD-*, BD-*,
> etc., media.
> 
An easier approach would be that when the installer asks "Would you like
to use a network mirror?" you just answer "no."  The installer will then
only use the packages available on the install media you supply.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#198131 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-08-01 03:10 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whNOh-3C1-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198130
On 07/31/2018 05:42 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 05:36:41PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>>
>> One possibility is to  configure your Internet gateway to block traffic
>> between the host and the Internet, and then install from CD-1, DVD-*, BD-*,
>> etc., media.
>>
> An easier approach would be that when the installer asks "Would you like
> to use a network mirror?" you just answer "no."  The installer will then
> only use the packages available on the install media you supply.

The first half of my suggestion implies your suggestion.


The original post implies use of netinst media, which does not contain 
enough packages to install a working Debian system (?).  Thus, the 
second half of my suggestion.


David

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#198132 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromRoberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org>
Date2018-08-01 03:30 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whO7D-3IB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198131
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 06:05:04PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 07/31/2018 05:42 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 05:36:41PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> > > 
> > > One possibility is to  configure your Internet gateway to block traffic
> > > between the host and the Internet, and then install from CD-1, DVD-*, BD-*,
> > > etc., media.
> > > 
> > An easier approach would be that when the installer asks "Would you like
> > to use a network mirror?" you just answer "no."  The installer will then
> > only use the packages available on the install media you supply.
> 
> The first half of my suggestion implies your suggestion.
> 
> 
> The original post implies use of netinst media, which does not contain
> enough packages to install a working Debian system (?).  Thus, the second
> half of my suggestion.
> 
I should have read the entire thread before responding.  Thanks for
pointing out my oversight.

You are correct that a netinst media does not have enough on it for a
complete installation.  However, that is sort of the point of the
netinst media.  Of course, another aspect of the way updates work in
Debian is that when a point update is made all the security updates (and
generally quite a few high priority non-security updates) become part of
the stable release with an increased version number.  For example in the
last few weeks, Debian "Stretch" went from version 9.4 to 9.5.

That sort of makes the "I want to install but I don't want security
updates" not make any sense.  Unless you get the install media for the
first release of a new Stable before any point releases are made, you
will end up with some security updates as part of your installation.
Even then, the new stable release definitely also has security updates
that are left over from the prior stable release (not all packages are
refreshed from one release to the next).

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#198136 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-01 07:50 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whSbf-6g5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198129
David Christensen wrote:

> Why not?

I guess because he's in China and internet costs relatively much there.

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#198139 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-08-01 10:10 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<whUmJ-7Gx-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198136

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 You're wrong, it has nothing to with money
internet cost used to be high in China
but that's very long time ago and 
many broadband providers base their charge on time (e.g. a few months) not on data transfered

i don't like security update because i suspect it cause problem (some packaged can't be installed) during stretch installation last time

and i've used linux for a long time and i think it's stable even without security update. and installing update always takes time and space, and it offer little value

and since you haven't installed next update, your system is always insecure if you believe in security update


Thanks to all who reply!

    On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 1:44:17 PM GMT+8, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 David Christensen wrote:

> Why not?

I guess because he's in China and internet costs relatively much there.

  

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#198149 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromMatthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com>
Date2018-08-01 20:40 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<wi4cq-57o-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198139
On 8/1/18 1:00 AM, Long Wind wrote:
> i don't like security update because i suspect it cause problem (some
> packaged can't be installed) during stretch installation last time
> 
> and i've used linux for a long time and i think it's stable even without
> security update. and installing update always takes time and space, and
> it offer little value

I would beg to differ on the "little value" aspect. If you are still
running Debian 9.0 (and not the latest version, 9.5) you are vulnerable
to Meltdown, Spectre, various web browser exploits, and a whole host of
other issues that are documented here:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/threads.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2018/threads.html

If you suspect a specific package has a problem due to a security
update, I would file a bug against that package. But to blindly
disregard security updates is irresponsible and dangerous.

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#198170 — Re: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2018-08-02 03:50 +0200
SubjectRe: how to prevent security update installation during stretch installation
Message-ID<wiaUx-OQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198139
On 08/01/2018 01:00 AM, Long Wind wrote:
> i don't like security update because i suspect it cause problem (some packaged can't be installed) during stretch installation last time

I suggest that you obtain the debian-9.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso image 
(via jigdo), burn it to CD/USB, configure your Internet gateway to block 
the target host from connecting to the Internet, and install from local 
media only (e.g. do not select an package mirror during installation):

https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/


If it works, you're done.  If it doesn't, start working backwards 
through the releases -- e.g. 9.4.0, 9.3.0, 9.2.0, etc.:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/


David

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