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  Pastel colours in slrn - why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2018-07-18 19:50 +0200
    Re: Pastel colours in slrn - why? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-07-18 20:10 +0200
      Re: Pastel colours in slrn - why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2018-07-19 00:10 +0200
        Re: Pastel colours in slrn - why? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-07-19 02:30 +0200
          Re: Pastel colours in slrn - why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2018-07-20 03:20 +0200
          Re: Pastel colours in slrn - why? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 00:10 +0200

#197775 — Pastel colours in slrn - why?

Recently I upgraded my laptop (a Lenovo T410) from Jessie to Stretch.
I almost have everything working again, but something puzzling (and
irritating) has happened to slrn.  All the colours have been softened;
it's as if everything has been replaced with pastels.  Even white text
on a black background has faded - it's now light gray text on a dark
gray background.  When I go to post or reply to a message, vim comes
up and the screen snaps back to a crisp black and white, only to revert
to washed-out colours when I return to slrn.  Everything else (e.g.
console windows) is OK - it's just slrn which is affected.

My .slrnrc is unchanged.  What has happened to my colours?  And more
importantly, how do I get them back to where they were?

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#197777

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:24:45AM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Recently I upgraded my laptop (a Lenovo T410) from Jessie to Stretch.
> I almost have everything working again, but something puzzling (and
> irritating) has happened to slrn.  All the colours have been softened;
> it's as if everything has been replaced with pastels.  Even white text
> on a black background has faded - it's now light gray text on a dark
> gray background.  When I go to post or reply to a message, vim comes
> up and the screen snaps back to a crisp black and white, only to revert
> to washed-out colours when I return to slrn.  Everything else (e.g.
> console windows) is OK - it's just slrn which is affected.
> 
> My .slrnrc is unchanged.  What has happened to my colours?  And more
> importantly, how do I get them back to where they were?
> 

What terminal program are you using? Is the behavior the same if you
fire up slrn in xterm, rxvt, and gnome-terminal? (to pick three
wildly different code bases)

-dsr-

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#197783

On 18/07/18 11:05 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:24:45AM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Recently I upgraded my laptop (a Lenovo T410) from Jessie to Stretch.
>> I almost have everything working again, but something puzzling (and
>> irritating) has happened to slrn.  All the colours have been softened;
>> it's as if everything has been replaced with pastels.  Even white text
>> on a black background has faded - it's now light gray text on a dark
>> gray background.  When I go to post or reply to a message, vim comes
>> up and the screen snaps back to a crisp black and white, only to revert
>> to washed-out colours when I return to slrn.  Everything else (e.g.
>> console windows) is OK - it's just slrn which is affected.
>>
>> My .slrnrc is unchanged.  What has happened to my colours?  And more
>> importantly, how do I get them back to where they were?
>
> What terminal program are you using? Is the behavior the same if you
> fire up slrn in xterm, rxvt, and gnome-terminal? (to pick three
> wildly different code bases)

Good call, sir!  Indeed, when I did the fresh install of Stretch,
the default terminal run from the panel (exo-open --launch 
TerminalEmulator) had changed to gnome-terminal.  A bit of web searching 
came up with the exo-preferred-application command, which let me 
re-configure the default terminal emulator to Xfce Terminal.  All is 
well again.  Thanks!

(Do the Gnome people like pastels?)

After further digging, I noticed that my default manager was set to 
gdm3, as opposed to the lightdm on my desktop box, which is also running 
stretch.

sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm

Now my laptop feels much more familiar, and slrn is still crisp and clear.

-- 
cgibbs@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

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#197784

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:45:32PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 18/07/18 11:05 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:24:45AM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > What terminal program are you using? Is the behavior the same if you
> > fire up slrn in xterm, rxvt, and gnome-terminal? (to pick three
> > wildly different code bases)
> 
> Good call, sir!  Indeed, when I did the fresh install of Stretch,
> the default terminal run from the panel (exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator)
> had changed to gnome-terminal.  A bit of web searching came up with the
> exo-preferred-application command, which let me re-configure the default
> terminal emulator to Xfce Terminal.  All is well again.  Thanks!
> 
> (Do the Gnome people like pastels?)

As far as I can tell, the guiding principle of the GNOME project
these days is "I like it, so that's what you should use."

Only I don't like it.

Luckily, we live in a world full of choices, and the decision to
use a particular desktop environment (or not) is reasonably easy
to change.

I like XFCE, urxvt, and vim and mutt and slrn. Other people can
have different preferences, and that's just fine.

-dsr-

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#197818

On 18/07/18 05:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:45:32PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
 >
>> On 18/07/18 11:05 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:24:45AM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> What terminal program are you using? Is the behavior the same if you
>>> fire up slrn in xterm, rxvt, and gnome-terminal? (to pick three
>>> wildly different code bases)
>>
>> Good call, sir!  Indeed, when I did the fresh install of Stretch,
>> the default terminal run from the panel (exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator)
>> had changed to gnome-terminal.  A bit of web searching came up with the
>> exo-preferred-application command, which let me re-configure the default
>> terminal emulator to Xfce Terminal.  All is well again.  Thanks!
>>
>> (Do the Gnome people like pastels?)
>
> As far as I can tell, the guiding principle of the GNOME project
> these days is "I like it, so that's what you should use."
>
> Only I don't like it.

I tried Ubuntu for a while, and was fairly impressed.  And then Unity 
happened...

> Luckily, we live in a world full of choices, and the decision to
> use a particular desktop environment (or not) is reasonably easy
> to change.

Try to explain that to a Windows vict^H^H^H^Huser.  His brain would explode.

-- 
cgibbs@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

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#197855

On 2018-07-19, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:45:32PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 18/07/18 11:05 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:24:45AM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> > What terminal program are you using? Is the behavior the same if you
>> > fire up slrn in xterm, rxvt, and gnome-terminal? (to pick three
>> > wildly different code bases)
>> 
>> Good call, sir!  Indeed, when I did the fresh install of Stretch,
>> the default terminal run from the panel (exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator)
>> had changed to gnome-terminal.  A bit of web searching came up with the
>> exo-preferred-application command, which let me re-configure the default
>> terminal emulator to Xfce Terminal.  All is well again.  Thanks!
>> 
>> (Do the Gnome people like pastels?)
>
> As far as I can tell, the guiding principle of the GNOME project
> these days is "I like it, so that's what you should use."
>
> Only I don't like it.
>
> Luckily, we live in a world full of choices, and the decision to
> use a particular desktop environment (or not) is reasonably easy
> to change.
>
> I like XFCE, urxvt, and vim and mutt and slrn. Other people can
> have different preferences, and that's just fine.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

It's also easy to change the colour palette used by gnome-terminal. Even
the GNOME project offers choices.

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