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| First post | 2018-11-30 18:20 +0100 |
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[OT?] home partition vs. home directory Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 18:20 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-30 18:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 21:50 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-11-30 22:40 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 03:50 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2018-12-01 21:10 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 02:40 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-12-01 02:50 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 03:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 04:20 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2018-12-01 09:00 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-12-01 16:10 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 03:20 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-12-02 21:10 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2018-11-30 18:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 10:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-12-01 15:20 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Michael Thompson <michaelw.thompson@icloud.com> - 2018-11-30 18:40 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-11-30 20:00 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-11-30 20:20 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-11-30 22:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-12-01 01:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-12-01 03:40 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-12-01 16:10 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 17:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-12-01 18:30 +0100
Re: [OT?] home partition vs. home directory Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 21:10 +0100
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| From | Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 18:20 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT?] home partition vs. home directory |
| Message-ID | <wZUCl-28m-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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I often see people recommend a separate home partition. But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within the root directory? Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things being equal) better? Opinions, please.
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| From | Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 18:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZUM1-2bJ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202916 |
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Default User wrote: > I often see people recommend a separate home partition. > But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within > the root directory? > Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things > being equal) better? > Opinions, please. The main reasons for a separate home partition are to share it between multiple installations in a multi-boot scenario and/or to allow for easy re-installation of the OS while preserving everything under /home. If neither of those apply, then a separate home partition is not especially beneficial. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
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| From | Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 21:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZXTA-43Y-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202917 |
On 11/30/18, Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Default User wrote: >> I often see people recommend a separate home partition. >> But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory >> within >> the root directory? >> Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other >> things >> being equal) better? >> Opinions, please. > > The main reasons for a separate home partition are to share it between > multiple installations in a multi-boot scenario and/or to allow for easy > re-installation of the OS while preserving everything under /home. > > If neither of those apply, then a separate home partition is not > especially beneficial. Cliff's Notes Version Part I: Flaky USB connections are an important factor! An accidentally disconnected USB connection can cause data to become *unknowingly* redirected back to the original directory on the primary partition. That situation can then potentially lead to loss of e.g. downloaded data if a user is not always 100% aware of where data is actually residing at all times..... Cliff's Notes Version Part II: One Debian-User mused about binding even deeper into ~/ child directories instead of just ~/. I LIKE THAT for software configuration compatibility reasons. It's my next intended setup. :) The "so what had happened was" version: I started playing with this a few months ago. I LIKE IT primarily because I finally got brave enough to learn how to add lines to fstab to go a different, slightly more complicated mount route for computing. Because I've experienced a deal-breaking software configuration compatibility problem, the one thing I'm always hesitant about is that *once in a while* there might be that compatibility issue with software package user config files under /home/user (~/). Browsers are where I experienced that episode. When I tried to step back down after an upgrade didn't work, what a mess! That became my firsthand experience in deleting those *not hidden* (grin) "dot files" under /home/user. It could overwhelming super quick if that same incompatibility began occurring across all the various distros a user might have ready to boot up at any second. An important aside is that one HAS to know what's saved in those config files if deleting them becomes necessary. Sometimes there are bookmarks and other suchly important information. I get around that point by renaming instead of deleting. I use last date used as a cull-friendly milestone marker when renaming important directories. With respect to separate home partitions, one Debian-User recently mentioned that they avoid the software configuration compatibility issue by further breaking their setup down. They have things like ~/Documents and ~/Downloads each shared via a separate partition (or similar) instead of only the whole ~/ directory.. I LIKE that thought process. It's what I'll be attempting* with mine the next time I feel like messing with it. Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my /var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up at each reboot... OR NOT.... But I'm leaning super heavy toward trying that route soon just because the test run with my archive stash has been working so well to date. :) Oh, wait, EXCEPT THAT there is one serious CAVEAT that comes to mind. Having something like ~/ on a secondary partition is a notable "not so much" if the secondary partition is connected via an unstable USB connection. Unstable USB connections complicate things super quick. It would be easy to start losing data if a user is not self-educated in how to recognize where their data is actually residing in their system. What can happen is that a flaky USB connection will close, but you could still be saving data to the /home/user directory under /. WHEN A FLAKY USB CONNECTION FAILS, WHAT HAPPENS IS: Your mind will be thinking you're safely saving important data under /dev/sdh6/home (your secondary partition) when instead a closed USB connection means that data goes back directly under /dev/sda2/home (i.e. your primary partition). SOMETIMES YOU GET LUCKY and your system will complain that a mounted directory is suddenly missing, but you do NOT always get that lucky. Where that can be detrimental is if you a-sumed all had always stayed connected and thus worked as planned and so you go off and delete an entire operating system to get set up for a shiny new install. What you will have done is you will have innocently deleted all e.g. recently downloaded data that had accidentally been redirected back directly into /home/user. I avoid that disaster by always one last time manually verifying what's left sitting in /home, /media, /mnt, AND some various personal /var/* directories. As another aside, I've more than a few times caught and rescued rsync backup whoopsies that ended up saved as hard data under /mnt and /media. Check, check, and double-check then check one more last time because things do not always work as intended.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
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| From | Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 22:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZYFY-4AX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202923 |
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Cliff's Notes Version Part I: Flaky USB connections are an important > factor! An accidentally disconnected USB connection can cause data to > become *unknowingly* redirected back to the original directory on the > primary partition. That situation can then potentially lead to loss of > e.g. downloaded data if a user is not always 100% aware of where data > is actually residing at all times..... Hi, I've had problems with flakey connections with external USB drives for years. These problems have occurred with various drives and on two different laptops. The usual result is a disk operation such as 'ls' fails with the message "input/output error". This usually happens after the drive has been idle for some hours. In my experience, the only case where writes went into directory of the mount point (and not the intended partition) was when the partition was not mounted. Once an I/O error occurs, at least in my system, no further read or write operations to the mount point will succeed. with regards -- Joel Roth
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 03:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x03vX-7HG-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202925 |
On Fri 30 Nov 2018 at 11:23:57 (-1000), Joel Roth wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > Cliff's Notes Version Part I: Flaky USB connections are an important > > factor! An accidentally disconnected USB connection can cause data to > > become *unknowingly* redirected back to the original directory on the > > primary partition. That situation can then potentially lead to loss of > > e.g. downloaded data if a user is not always 100% aware of where data > > is actually residing at all times..... > > I've had problems with flakey connections with external USB > drives for years. These problems have occurred with various > drives and on two different laptops. The usual result is a > disk operation such as 'ls' fails with the message > "input/output error". This usually happens after > the drive has been idle for some hours. Hm, with poor connections, I find that it's usually the laptop moving about which disturbs the cable and causes the problem. After idle periods, I just get the message, when it wakes up: usb 4-5: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci which I assume may be because the USB was in some sort of powersaving mode. > In my experience, the only case where writes went into > directory of the mount point (and not the intended > partition) was when the partition was not mounted. Once an > I/O error occurs, at least in my system, no further read or > write operations to the mount point will succeed. I've never had the mount points overwritten, perhaps because of how I set their permissions: drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Apr 11 2018 cdrom0/ and I # touch -r cdrom0 all the mount points ... so it's easy to see when they're in use as the differing permission/ownership/timestamp sticks out. It also sounds as if you have ,errors=remount-ro, set as an option in your /etc/fstab entries so that any error immediately write-protects the partition; though I didn't know that prevents reading as well. Does it? Cheers, David.
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| From | Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x0jKq-1lq-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202933 |
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 08:39:55PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 30 Nov 2018 at 11:23:57 (-1000), Joel Roth wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > > Cliff's Notes Version Part I: Flaky USB connections are an important > > > factor! An accidentally disconnected USB connection can cause data to > > > become *unknowingly* redirected back to the original directory on the > > > primary partition. That situation can then potentially lead to loss of > > > e.g. downloaded data if a user is not always 100% aware of where data > > > is actually residing at all times..... > > > > I've had problems with flakey connections with external USB > > drives for years. These problems have occurred with various > > drives and on two different laptops. The usual result is a > > disk operation such as 'ls' fails with the message > > "input/output error". This usually happens after > > the drive has been idle for some hours. > > Hm, with poor connections, I find that it's usually the laptop > moving about which disturbs the cable and causes the problem. > After idle periods, I just get the message, when it wakes up: > usb 4-5: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci > which I assume may be because the USB was in some sort of > powersaving mode. > > In my experience, the only case where writes went into > > directory of the mount point (and not the intended > > partition) was when the partition was not mounted. Once an > > I/O error occurs, at least in my system, no further read or > > write operations to the mount point will succeed. > > I've never had the mount points overwritten, perhaps because > of how I set their permissions: > drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Apr 11 2018 cdrom0/ > and I > # touch -r cdrom0 all the mount points ... > so it's easy to see when they're in use as the differing > permission/ownership/timestamp sticks out. Nice. I usually make a fstab entry for device and do a mount -a whenever I plug in a new device. > It also sounds as if you have ,errors=remount-ro, > set as an option in your /etc/fstab entries so that any > error immediately write-protects the partition; though > I didn't know that prevents reading as well. Does it? I don't think my devices got remounted, as in that case they would be at least read accessible. I do use remount-ro option. One of these I/O errors ends the party completely. Seems obvious that I should check kern.log for clues next time I observe it. I've never lost data due to these errors, just can be frustrating if the devices need unplugging and remounting. ^^ > Cheers, > David. > -- Joel Roth
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| From | Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 02:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x02qe-73P-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202923 |
On 11/30/18 3:47 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my > /var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those > (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate > directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to > step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up > at each reboot... Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual /home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era. "Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics. "Carl and Jerry" Enjoy!! Ric http://www.copperwood.com/carlandjerry.htm#BackInPrint -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 02:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x02zT-77p-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202928 |
On Friday, November 30, 2018 08:32:23 PM Ric Moore wrote: > On 11/30/18 3:47 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my > > /var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those > > (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate > > directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to > > step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up > > at each reboot... > > Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user > alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual > /home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and > the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if > root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from > installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up > config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not > want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era. > "Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics. Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user data. I simply create a top level directory (often using my initials, e.g. /abc for my user data (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al -- i.e., /abc/Documents, ...). /opt may get filled with stuff that I don't want to treat as (my) user data.
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| From | Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 03:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x03cB-7Af-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202929 |
On 11/30/18 8:45 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, November 30, 2018 08:32:23 PM Ric Moore wrote: >> On 11/30/18 3:47 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >>> Having lately been successfully "mount -B" ing my >>> /var/cache/apt/archives hoard, I can now easily see having those >>> (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al) each remaining as their own separate >>> directories on a secondary partition. Fstab would then be asked to >>> step-by-step put each of them to work as a singular entry connected up >>> at each reboot... >> >> Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user >> alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual >> /home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and >> the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if >> root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from >> installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up >> config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not >> want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era. >> "Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics. > > Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user data. > > I simply create a top level directory (often using my initials, e.g. /abc for > my user data (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al -- i.e., /abc/Documents, ...). > > /opt may get filled with stuff that I don't want to treat as (my) user data. True true, but you may select the /opt partition from the install menu and not re-format it. Once you boot into your fresh install, /opt is correctly mounted and by making the necessary links from /home/user to /opt/user you have a fully repopulated home directory. I also have .mozilla and .thunderbird down there for safe keeping as well. A fresh re-install is very painless. Been doing this successfully for almost 20 years. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 04:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x03YZ-8g5-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202931 |
On Fri 30 Nov 2018 at 21:21:50 (-0500), Ric Moore wrote: > On 11/30/18 8:45 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 08:32:23 PM Ric Moore wrote: > > > Cindy, I advocate using /opt for that very reason. I leave /home/user > > > alone. I create /opt/user directory and fill it with the usual > > > /home/user directories, such as Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and > > > the like. Those directories contain ther actual files and are safe if > > > root partition gets clobbered or the OS becomes too wonky from > > > installing all the things. CLEAN re-install also cleans screwed up > > > config files in the home dot-files/directories, that you really do not > > > want to keep. . I've done this since the Caldera (pre-RedHAT IPO) era. > > > "Nary a burp in the barrel." as they used to say in Popular Electronics. > > > > Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user data. > > > > I simply create a top level directory (often using my initials, e.g. /abc for > > my user data (~/Documents, ~/Downloads, et al -- i.e., /abc/Documents, ...). > > > > /opt may get filled with stuff that I don't want to treat as (my) user data. > > True true, but you may select the /opt partition from the install menu > and not re-format it. Once you boot into your fresh install, /opt is > correctly mounted and by making the necessary links from /home/user to > /opt/user you have a fully repopulated home directory. I also have > .mozilla and .thunderbird down there for safe keeping as well. A fresh > re-install is very painless. Been doing this successfully for almost > 20 years. Ric I just copy them all into ~/<release-name>.dotfiles/, which keeps them within the encrypted fold. For programs that write a new set of configuration files where none exists, I let them do that, and then reapply my own modifications. Where I find incompatibilities, I use scripts that juggle symlinks, eg mutt, mc, audacious etc. In the case of the browser, I usually let the new version handle the transition, and then I don't go back. I enforce that commitment by having the browser-launching functions look up my permitted release/hostname combinations in an environment variable. Cheers, David.
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| From | Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 09:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x08lY-2pA-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202931 |
Le 01/12/2018 à 03:21, Ric Moore a écrit : > On 11/30/18 8:45 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user >> data. Right. > True true, but you may select the /opt partition from the install menu > and not re-format it. You can select arbitrary mount points in the installer. All you have to do is type the path. For example I did it to use a separate filesystem for /var/log (so that flooding logs would not fill the whole /var or /).
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 16:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x0f45-6Oo-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202936 |
On Saturday, December 01, 2018 02:54:22 AM Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 01/12/2018 à 03:21, Ric Moore a écrit : > > On 11/30/18 8:45 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > >> Why bother with /opt -- iirc, /opt is for optional software, not user > >> data. > > Right. > > > True true, but you may select the /opt partition from the install menu > > and not re-format it. > > You can select arbitrary mount points in the installer. All you have to > do is type the path. > For example I did it to use a separate filesystem > for /var/log (so that flooding logs would not fill the whole /var or /). + 10 (or 100, or 1000 ...)
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 03:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x032V-7wV-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202917 |
On Fri 30 Nov 2018 at 12:23:11 (-0500), Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Default User wrote: > > I often see people recommend a separate home partition. > > But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within > > the root directory? > > Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things > > being equal) better? > > Opinions, please. > > The main reasons for a separate home partition are to share it between > multiple installations in a multi-boot scenario and/or to allow for easy > re-installation of the OS while preserving everything under /home. I would agree with that; all my systems are multiboot for periods of time (after new Debian releases), usually with consecutive releases, as I flip back and forth between two root filesystems. But another reason for a separate home partition is that I encrypt it in case the computer is lost or stolen. I don't feel that the methods available for encrypting the entire system are routine enough to bother with presently. Cheers, David.
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| From | Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> |
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| Date | 2018-12-02 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x0GdX-78K-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202917 |
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On 1/12/18 6:23 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Default User wrote: >> I often see people recommend a separate home partition. >> But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within >> the root directory? >> Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things >> being equal) better? >> Opinions, please. > > The main reasons for a separate home partition are to share it between > multiple installations in a multi-boot scenario and/or to allow for easy > re-installation of the OS while preserving everything under /home. > > If neither of those apply, then a separate home partition is not > especially beneficial. Two others for me: 1. some dodgy software writing in my home directory can't fill up the root filesystem (also, probably moreso, applies to /var(/log)) 2. backup utilities can usually be told to stop at filesystem boundaries, which can be simpler than writing explicit exclude lists etc. Richard
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 18:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZUM1-2bJ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202916 |
Am Freitag, 30. November 2018, 18:14:40 CET schrieb Default User: When you are using a seperate home-partition you can easily install the whole system new - and all user specific content will be saved and will not have to configured by the user(s) again. In case, you have no backup from the users...... Best Hans > I often see people recommend a separate home partition. > > But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within the > root directory? > > Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things > being equal) better? > > Opinions, please.
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| From | Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x09L3-3pe-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202918 |
On 11/30/2018 09:22 AM, Hans wrote: > Am Freitag, 30. November 2018, 18:14:40 CET schrieb Default User: > When you are using a seperate home-partition you can easily install the whole > system new - and all user specific content will be saved and will not have to > configured by the user(s) again. > > In case, you have no backup from the users...... > > Best > > Hans There is no need to have more than one partition for the reason you suggest. For 15 years or more there is no need to format before install, you only need to delete system files. You can save the files in users /home/user folder and do the install with no format, just use the same user name or change the user name to what you want before install. I do recommend deleting the users system files too before the install. >> I often see people recommend a separate home partition. >> >> But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within the >> root directory? >> >> Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things >> being equal) better? >> >> Opinions, please. I dislike top posting. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Wheezy - KDE 4.8.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda10 Registered Linux User #380263
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 15:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <x0ehH-6h1-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202937 |
On 2018-12-01, Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Opinions, please. > > I dislike top posting. That isn't an opinion. This is an opinion. -- He used sentences differently from any other prose writer. He always sounded like a slightly drunk man who is very melancholy, who has no illusions about life, who is very strong but whose strength is entirely unnecessary. --Krasznahorkai on Krúdy
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| From | Michael Thompson <michaelw.thompson@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 18:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZUVH-2f2-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202916 |
Because if your root partition fails, you can reinstall and all your files are safe on their own partition... > On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:14, Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I often see people recommend a separate home partition. > > But why would (or not) that be better than just a home directory within the root directory? > > Wouldn't one less partition be simpler, and therefore (all other things being equal) better? > > Opinions, please.
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| From | Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 20:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZWb8-2Xg-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202919 |
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 05:23:09PM +0000, Michael Thompson wrote: >Because if your root partition fails, you can reinstall and all your files are safe on their own partition... ...leaving open the question of how likely that scenario is.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 20:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wZWuu-3jD-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #202920 |
Michael Stone composed on 2018-11-30 13:58 (UTC-0500): > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 05:23:09PM +0000, Michael Thompson wrote: >>Because if your root partition fails, you can reinstall and all your files are safe on their own partition... > ...leaving open the question of how likely that scenario is. For hard failure, true, but there also exists soft failure, of multiple forms and causes, particularly among those who would pose the original question, more particularly eagerly testing the robustness of the installation. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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