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  Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Mark Neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> - 2018-11-26 15:50 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Ben Oliver <ben@bfoliver.com> - 2018-11-26 16:00 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-11-26 16:00 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-11-26 17:30 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-11-26 16:10 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-26 23:20 +0100
        Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-11-27 03:30 +0100
          Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-27 04:00 +0100
            Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 14:50 +0100
              Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-27 15:20 +0100
                Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-27 15:50 +0100
                  Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-27 20:40 +0100
          Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-27 04:00 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-11-29 09:10 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-11-26 16:10 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-11-26 17:50 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-26 17:50 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-11-26 17:30 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service John Cunningham <djohngo@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 17:40 +0100
    Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 04:20 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-11-27 05:10 +0100
        Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-27 07:30 +0100
        Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 19:30 +0100
      Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Ben Oliver <ben@bfoliver.com> - 2018-11-27 10:00 +0100
        Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 05:10 +0100
          Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-12-07 11:10 +0100
            Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-12-07 15:40 +0100
    <<SOLVED>> Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service mark@neidorff.com - 2018-12-10 16:20 +0100

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#202772 — Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

(I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info for the 
members of the list.)

Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for nearly 15 
years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing a beat in all that 
time.

It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own e-mail 
service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I don't think that 
really matters.

Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
which to me.  I have experience with both.)

If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
would you please post it in a reply.

Thank you for any suggestions,

Mark
-- 
Why are games that any fool can play the best sellers?

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#202773

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On 18-11-26 09:37:21, Mark Neidorff wrote:
>If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP 
>connections would you please post it in a reply.

I recommend and use https://www.migadu.com/

They do have a webmail but they focus mainly on providing a simple email 
service. They have good docs on getting DNS set up, and a pretty simple 
management interface for handling accounts etc.

Been with them for 1 year now and I'm very happy with it.

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On 2018-11-26 at 09:37, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info
> for the members of the list.)
> 
> Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for
> nearly 15 years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing
> a beat in all that time.
> 
> It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own
> e-mail service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I
> don't think that really matters.
> 
> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for
> old emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to
> download and process the email locally using either kmail or
> thunderbird (doesn't matter which to me.  I have experience with
> both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections, would you please post it in a reply.

I use Fastmail, which supported both (as well as IMAP) last time I
checked, and I've been a quite satisfied customer of theirs - with
Thunderbird as my E-mail client - for quite some years now.

It's not a *free* mail service, but I'd be surprised if you found any
free service that fits the criteria you specify.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#202779

Hello,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 09:55:17AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2018-11-26 at 09:37, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> > connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> 
> I use Fastmail, which supported both (as well as IMAP) last time I
> checked, and I've been a quite satisfied customer of theirs - with
> Thunderbird as my E-mail client - for quite some years now.

I would second Fastmail. I run my own email but doing so for family
and friends got too complicated so I've slowly been moving them to
Fastmail where they didn't want to sort it out themselves.
Admittedly all of them use the web interface, but if Fastmail has
POP and IMAP then I trust it to be as good as the rest of their
setup.

But OP says they want SMTP - does that mean relaying out through the
provider, or having the provider relay inbound email to your
servers? I'm not aware that Fastmail does that.

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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#202775

On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info for the 
> members of the list.)
> 
> Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for nearly 15 
> years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing a beat in all that 
> time.
> 
> It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own e-mail 
> service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I don't think that 
> really matters.
> 
> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
> emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
> process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
> which to me.  I have experience with both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.
> 
> Thank you for any suggestions,

gmail and yahoo. :)

-- 
Brian.

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#202790

On Monday 26 November 2018 09:50:09 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> > (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info
> > for the members of the list.)
> >
> > Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for
> > nearly 15 years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without
> > missing a beat in all that time.
> >
> > It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own
> > e-mail service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I
> > don't think that really matters.
> >
> > Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for
> > old emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to
> > download and process the email locally using either kmail or
> > thunderbird (doesn't matter which to me.  I have experience with
> > both.)
> >
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> > connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> >
> > Thank you for any suggestions,
>
> gmail and yahoo. :)

Both of which ignore tfc's that don't suit their business models, with a 
lot of yahoo mail originating in their webmail servers being classified 
as spam. 

Gmail has such an aggressive duplication preventer that you'll never see 
your own posts echo'd back to you as assurance your post actually made 
it to the mailing list.

Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine does, and 
I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their network guy and 
have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on. That was about 3 years 
ago and I've not had to repeat it. The only problem is that its also an 
imap server, and they've disabled fetchmails ability to delete a 
downloaded via pop3 message, so I use FF to log into it, nominally 
daily, and clean house. About 5 minutes.

Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of the 
spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an ex 
employee. So I'm tickled pink except for having to do the housekeeping 
with firefox.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202799

On 26.11.18 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine does, and 
> I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their network guy and 
> have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on.

Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which so
despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice of
IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)

> Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of the 
> spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an ex 
> employee.

Ditto. I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam
filtering, else I miss out on even notices of specials from the vendors
I deal with. The few unwanted which then also sneak in are just diverted
with an additional procmail recipe, as that utility is already in place
for distributing list mail to individual mailboxes. (Saves learning
yet another app when not really needed.)

Erik

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#202800

On Monday 26 November 2018 21:22:35 Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 26.11.18 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine
> > does, and I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their
> > network guy and have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on.
>
> Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which
> so despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice
> of IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)
>
> > Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of
> > the spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an
> > ex employee.
>
> Ditto. I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam
> filtering, else I miss out on even notices of specials from the
> vendors I deal with. The few unwanted which then also sneak in are
> just diverted with an additional procmail recipe, as that utility is
> already in place for distributing list mail to individual mailboxes.
> (Saves learning yet another app when not really needed.)
>
> Erik

Theres an echo in here, sounds exactly like what I've been doing for the 
last 20+ years. Very very little work to keep track of around 40 mailing 
lists I'm on, an eclectic list some have called it.

I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only exists 
few a few milliseconds in /var/mail. I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer 
handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me. And 
its been very happy being my slave.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202825

On Monday, November 26, 2018 09:51:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only exists
> few a few milliseconds in /var/mail. 

I don't understand -- what is your script doing?  Is it doing it only for 
spam?




> I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer
> handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me. And
> its been very happy being my slave.

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#202827

On Tuesday 27 November 2018 08:41:32 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, November 26, 2018 09:51:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only
> > exists few a few milliseconds in /var/mail.
>
> I don't understand -- what is your script doing?  Is it doing it only
> for spam?

No for everything that clamav gives a clean bill of health, it tells 
kmail to go get the mail when a mailfile in /var/mail is closed after 
procmail writes it there. Kmail looks at the headers and if spamd said 
it was spam, sorts it to the spam folder. procmail takes care of the 
viri so kmail never sees it at all.

If not spam, it gets sorted into the appropriate mail folder by kmail. 
All triggered by inotifywait exiting with the name of the file, bash 
then takes the correct action and restarts inotifywait, all in a 
millisecobd or so.  That bash script I called mailwatcher. An older 
version that might need tweaking for you system & names is on my web 
page in the sig. Be my guest.
>
> > I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer
> > handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me.
> > And its been very happy being my slave.



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202829

Gene writes:
> No for everything that clamav gives a clean bill of health, it tells
> kmail to go get the mail when a mailfile in /var/mail is closed after
> procmail writes it there. Kmail looks at the headers and if spamd said
> it was spam, sorts it to the spam folder. procmail takes care of the
> viri so kmail never sees it at all.

> If not spam, it gets sorted into the appropriate mail folder by kmail.
> All triggered by inotifywait exiting with the name of the file, bash
> then takes the correct action and restarts inotifywait, all in a
> millisecobd or so.  That bash script I called mailwatcher.

You've reinvented parts of Mailagent and Exim.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#202839

On Tuesday 27 November 2018 09:49:22 John Hasler wrote:

[...]

> You've reinvented parts of Mailagent and Exim.

With something I am familiar with and doesn't need a 200 page help file. 
Similar to skinning cats, first make sure its truly dead. ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202801

debian-user writes:
> Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which
> so despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice
> of IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)

They just about always offer email service but it can be pretty
bad. You're lucky to have a network guy you can actually communicate
with.

> I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam filtering,
> else I miss out on even notices of specials from the vendors I deal
> with.

I use Spamassassin.  It learns what *I* consider spam.  I also use
Mailagent to (among other things) send everything from certain domains
to the bit bucket.  Newsguy takes care of greylisting, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#202886

Am 2018-11-26 hackte Brian in die Tasten:
> On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> gmail and yahoo. :)

He asked for a "friendly" EMail Service not a crappy free one

Depending on his traffic, he could get an account under my domain
<tdwave.net> which support IMAP/SMTP plus Squirrelmail.


-- 
Michelle Konzack        Miila ITSystems @ TDnet
GNU/Linux Developer     00372-54541400

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#202776

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
Mark Neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> wrote:


> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> 

I thought that even the big boys allowed POP or IMAP downloading, I'm
pretty sure you can do it with gmail, if you can tolerate it. They'll
all read your emails.

Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also offer
limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're downloading
regularly.

-- 
Joe

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#202781

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 10:40:33 -0600
John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Joe writes:
> > Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also
> > offer limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're
> > downloading regularly.  
> 
> Any decent registry will forward mail addressed to your domain to the
> address you specify.  I have Gandi forward mail addressed to my
> domains to my Newsguy address.  You don't need to have a Web site.

Yes, they all do that, but some provide small mailboxes also. I've
never run  a public web site (not on my own hardware, anyway) but I've
hired domain names for twenty years.

-- 
Joe

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#202782

Joe writes:
> Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also
> offer limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're
> downloading regularly.

Any decent registry will forward mail addressed to your domain to the
address you specify.  I have Gandi forward mail addressed to my domains
to my Newsguy address.  You don't need to have a Web site.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#202778

Mark writes:
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.

Newsguy.com

I've been using them for more than ten years with no problems.  They
have spam filtering which you can turn off.  They also have a Webmail
interface but you don't have to use it.  I pay them an annual fee so I
am a customer, not a set of "eyeballs" to be marketed.

I download my mail with Fetchmail which hands it off to Exim for local
delivery ("local" meaning on this machine).  I selected "smarthost" when
installing Exim so it connects to Newsguy for all outgoing mail (and
accepts no incoming connections).  This is a standard Debian
configuration.

Kmail and Thuderbird will work fine with Newsguy, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#202780

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I second Fastmail. Tuffmail is also worth a look.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:23 AM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Mark writes:
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections,
> > would you please post it in a reply.
>
> Newsguy.com
>
> I've been using them for more than ten years with no problems.  They
> have spam filtering which you can turn off.  They also have a Webmail
> interface but you don't have to use it.  I pay them an annual fee so I
> am a customer, not a set of "eyeballs" to be marketed.
>
> I download my mail with Fetchmail which hands it off to Exim for local
> delivery ("local" meaning on this machine).  I selected "smarthost" when
> installing Exim so it connects to Newsguy for all outgoing mail (and
> accepts no incoming connections).  This is a standard Debian
> configuration.
>
> Kmail and Thuderbird will work fine with Newsguy, of course.
> --
> John Hasler
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
> --
John L. Cunningham

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#202803

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
Mark Neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> wrote:

...

> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 

Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
for old emails?

> emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
> process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
> which to me.  I have experience with both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.

My impression is that pretty much any serious email provider - free or
paid - offers POP3 and SMTP access. Gmail, Yahoo, GMX, and Zoho all do.

I use the latter two for most of my serious mail.

Celejar

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