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  VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 02:30 +0100
    Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-11-21 09:00 +0100
      Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:40 +0100
        Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 03:00 +0100
          Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:50 +0100
            Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-11-22 16:30 +0100
              Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 23:30 +0100
              Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 23:30 +0100
                Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-11-23 10:00 +0100
                  Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 18:20 +0100
                    Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-11-24 18:30 +0100
                      Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 04:00 +0100
                        Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-11-25 12:00 +0100
                          Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 14:20 +0100
    Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-11-26 12:40 +0100
      Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-11-26 14:50 +0100
        Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 02:20 +0100
          Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-11-27 09:30 +0100
            Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 19:00 +0100
              Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 02:30 +0100
      Re: VLC doesn't shutdown when closed Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 02:20 +0100

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#202645 — VLC doesn't shutdown when closed

I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a VLC 
session, the program continues to lurk in the process list until I send 
it the Kill signal. This is annoying because VLC stops the screen saver 
/ session locker from kicking in while it is active so I have to bring 
up the System Activity monitor to check for and kill all the VLC processes.

Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the Kill 
signal.

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#202646

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 08:29:18PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a
> VLC session [...]

> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the
> Kill signal.

Not a VLC user here, so take my advice with a fist of salt (or two),
but I think you might want to describe more precisely what you mean
by "close a VLC session" resp. "end the process". You close the
program's main window?

Cheers
-- tomás

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#202663

On 2018-11-21 2:55 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 08:29:18PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
>> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a
>> VLC session [...]
>> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the
>> Kill signal.
> Not a VLC user here, so take my advice with a fist of salt (or two),
> but I think you might want to describe more precisely what you mean
> by "close a VLC session" resp. "end the process". You close the
> program's main window?
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Close - click on the close button, which closes the window and should 
also shut down the application

End Process - click on the End Process option in the System Activity 
monitor after selecting the VLC process. According the manual, this is 
supposed to send the SIGKILL signal but it doesn't seem to work in this 
case. Instead I need to send the Kill signal to the process.

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#202676

On 11/21/18, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 2:55 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 08:29:18PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
>>> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a
>>> VLC session [...]
>>> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the
>>> Kill signal.
>> Not a VLC user here, so take my advice with a fist of salt (or two),
>> but I think you might want to describe more precisely what you mean
>> by "close a VLC session" resp. "end the process". You close the
>> program's main window?
>>
>> Cheers
>> -- tomás
>
> Close - click on the close button, which closes the window and should
> also shut down the application
>
> End Process - click on the End Process option in the System Activity
> monitor after selecting the VLC process. According the manual, this is
> supposed to send the SIGKILL signal but it doesn't seem to work in this
> case. Instead I need to send the Kill signal to the process.


Cliff's Notes version > jump down to where I said I might have found
something. :)

The rambling version > More apples and oranges, Thunar file manager
was doing that to me a couple years ago to the point it was still
alive *after reboots*. That's bad. At some point, I stopped noticing
it occurring.

Am writing to ask.. is there a toggle switch anywhere, e.g. in
Preferences, that gives you the option of leaving it running in the
background? I've seen programs do that but can't remember what did.
Some browsers have something along that line, for one thing.

I just installed Samba and noticed a "background" option for it via
its manpages. That wouldn't be something that users necessary knew was
occurring because it was about a command line option in Samba's case.

One of the players I've used had the option to postpone screensavers
until videos finish playing, too. Maybe... well, I don't know. It's
nice when the screensaver does NOT kick in while something's playing.
But if it's a royal pain for whatever reason, maybe untoggling that
might somehow help *if that option exists*.

Might have found something. After I wrote the above, I took a quick
peek at "apt-cache show vlc" before sending this:

"VLC can also be used as a streaming server that duplicates the stream it
 reads and multicasts them through the network to other clients, or serves
 them through HTTP."

Maybe that has something to do with it not going gentle into that good
night? That "show me" there even references an additional plugin
package for-r-r-r-r..... backgrounding happy Samba.

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#202679

On 2018-11-21 8:54 p.m., Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 11/21/18, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 2:55 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 08:29:18PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a
>>>> VLC session [...]
>>>> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the
>>>> Kill signal.
>>> Not a VLC user here, so take my advice with a fist of salt (or two),
>>> but I think you might want to describe more precisely what you mean
>>> by "close a VLC session" resp. "end the process". You close the
>>> program's main window?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> -- tomás
>> Close - click on the close button, which closes the window and should
>> also shut down the application
>>
>> End Process - click on the End Process option in the System Activity
>> monitor after selecting the VLC process. According the manual, this is
>> supposed to send the SIGKILL signal but it doesn't seem to work in this
>> case. Instead I need to send the Kill signal to the process.
>
> Cliff's Notes version > jump down to where I said I might have found
> something. :)
>
> The rambling version > More apples and oranges, Thunar file manager
> was doing that to me a couple years ago to the point it was still
> alive *after reboots*. That's bad. At some point, I stopped noticing
> it occurring.
>
> Am writing to ask.. is there a toggle switch anywhere, e.g. in
> Preferences, that gives you the option of leaving it running in the
> background? I've seen programs do that but can't remember what did.
> Some browsers have something along that line, for one thing.
>
> I just installed Samba and noticed a "background" option for it via
> its manpages. That wouldn't be something that users necessary knew was
> occurring because it was about a command line option in Samba's case.
>
> One of the players I've used had the option to postpone screensavers
> until videos finish playing, too. Maybe... well, I don't know. It's
> nice when the screensaver does NOT kick in while something's playing.
> But if it's a royal pain for whatever reason, maybe untoggling that
> might somehow help *if that option exists*.
>
> Might have found something. After I wrote the above, I took a quick
> peek at "apt-cache show vlc" before sending this:
>
> "VLC can also be used as a streaming server that duplicates the stream it
>   reads and multicasts them through the network to other clients, or serves
>   them through HTTP."
>
> Maybe that has something to do with it not going gentle into that good
> night? That "show me" there even references an additional plugin
> package for-r-r-r-r..... backgrounding happy Samba.
>
> Cindy :)
>
I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options) 
but couldn't find one.

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#202681

On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options) 
> but couldn't find one.
>

If in 'Simple Preferences' under 'Playlists and instances' 'use only one
instance when started from file manager' isn't checked the phenomenon
has been known to occur (if you're starting VLC from a file
manager).

If not and on the other hand this appears to be a known bug. How you are
closing the app might be pertinent. 'Ctrl Q' after stopping the video?
Or some other way? Have you experimented in this regard?


-- 
He used sentences differently from any other prose writer. He always sounded
like a slightly drunk man who is very melancholy, who has no illusions about
life, who is very strong but whose strength is entirely unnecessary.
--Krasznahorkai on Krúdy

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#202698

On 2018-11-22 10:26 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options)
>> but couldn't find one.
>>
> If in 'Simple Preferences' under 'Playlists and instances' 'use only one
> instance when started from file manager' isn't checked the phenomenon
> has been known to occur (if you're starting VLC from a file
> manager).

I normally start it from Dolphin  and don't have that option checked 
because I sometimes need to compare two videos.


>
> If not and on the other hand this appears to be a known bug. How you are
> closing the app might be pertinent. 'Ctrl Q' after stopping the video?
> Or some other way? Have you experimented in this regard?
>
I normally just click the close "X" on the top-right. I'm lazy so the 
video probably isn't stopped. I haven't experimented with other methods 
because I don't consider a media player staying open in the background 
to be anything but a bug.

I have tried killall vlc but I note that fails to work, confirming my 
suspicion that this is a bug. A properly behaving program should respond 
to normal terminate requests.

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#202699

On 2018-11-22 10:26 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options)
>> but couldn't find one.
>>
> If in 'Simple Preferences' under 'Playlists and instances' 'use only one
> instance when started from file manager' isn't checked the phenomenon
> has been known to occur (if you're starting VLC from a file
> manager).
>
> If not and on the other hand this appears to be a known bug. How you are
> closing the app might be pertinent. 'Ctrl Q' after stopping the video?
> Or some other way? Have you experimented in this regard?
>
Interesting - if I press the stop button on the player, vlc terminates 
properly.

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#202706

On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-11-22 10:26 a.m., Curt wrote:
>> On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options)
>>> but couldn't find one.
>>>
>> If in 'Simple Preferences' under 'Playlists and instances' 'use only one
>> instance when started from file manager' isn't checked the phenomenon
>> has been known to occur (if you're starting VLC from a file
>> manager).
>>
>> If not and on the other hand this appears to be a known bug. How you are
>> closing the app might be pertinent. 'Ctrl Q' after stopping the video?
>> Or some other way? Have you experimented in this regard?
>>
> Interesting - if I press the stop button on the player, vlc terminates 
> properly.
>

We live in an imperfect world, though this isn't exactly what you'd call
counter-intuitive, either.

Maybe the VLC people would argue this isn't a bug, as you might be
streaming to your Aunt Tilly in the other bedroom and only want to free
up screen real estate by closing the video's window on the source machine. 

-- 
He used sentences differently from any other prose writer. He always sounded
like a slightly drunk man who is very melancholy, who has no illusions about
life, who is very strong but whose strength is entirely unnecessary.
--Krasznahorkai on Krúdy

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#202752

On 2018-11-23 3:53 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-11-22 10:26 a.m., Curt wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-22, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I looked for a keep running option (and VLC does have a lot of options)
>>>> but couldn't find one.
>>>>
>>> If in 'Simple Preferences' under 'Playlists and instances' 'use only one
>>> instance when started from file manager' isn't checked the phenomenon
>>> has been known to occur (if you're starting VLC from a file
>>> manager).
>>>
>>> If not and on the other hand this appears to be a known bug. How you are
>>> closing the app might be pertinent. 'Ctrl Q' after stopping the video?
>>> Or some other way? Have you experimented in this regard?
>>>
>> Interesting - if I press the stop button on the player, vlc terminates
>> properly.
>>
> We live in an imperfect world, though this isn't exactly what you'd call
> counter-intuitive, either.
>
> Maybe the VLC people would argue this isn't a bug, as you might be
> streaming to your Aunt Tilly in the other bedroom and only want to free
> up screen real estate by closing the video's window on the source machine.
>
That would be equally served by the minimize button.

Moreover I will note that this is a new behaviour. I've been using VLC 
for a long time and this behaviour is not normal for it.

Finally, I will note that your example only makes sense if VLC is being 
used to stream a video. It doesn't make sense when the stream option 
isn't being used.

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#202754

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:11:42 -0500
Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Gary,

>Moreover I will note that this is a new behaviour. I've been using VLC 
>for a long time and this behaviour is not normal for it.

It /might/ be just you, Gary:

Using VLC here, and closing without stopping video playback, clicking
the close gadget (top right of window) VLC shuts down, and leaves no
trace of having been run.  IOW, there's no task left showing in the
activity monitor -  in fact, it's entirely possible to watch the monitor
showing VLC shutting down cleanly.

What happens when/if you move the existing config file out of the way?

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
It's only bits of plastic, lines projected on the wall
Keep It Clean - The Vibrators

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#202757

On 2018-11-24 12:28 p.m., Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:11:42 -0500
> Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Gary,
>
>> Moreover I will note that this is a new behaviour. I've been using VLC
>> for a long time and this behaviour is not normal for it.
> It /might/ be just you, Gary:
>
> Using VLC here, and closing without stopping video playback, clicking
> the close gadget (top right of window) VLC shuts down, and leaves no
> trace of having been run.  IOW, there's no task left showing in the
> activity monitor -  in fact, it's entirely possible to watch the monitor
> showing VLC shutting down cleanly.
>
> What happens when/if you move the existing config file out of the way?
>
When I do that, VLC behaves itself. However when I added the faster and 
slower buttons to the timeline panel, VLC stopped shutting down again. 
If I remove them again, vlc shuts down properly. When I put them back, 
it acts up again.

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:50:17 -0500
Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Gary,

>When I do that, VLC behaves itself. However when I added the faster and 
>slower buttons to the timeline panel, VLC stopped shutting down again. 

That explains why it doesn't affect me - because I don't have those
buttons added.  I have no idea why that should happen.

So, now you know what's causing it, you can check if that's expected
behaviour, even if such behaviour is a recent change (changelog?) and
take things from there.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Junk floats on polluted water
Hong Kong Garden - Siouxsie & The Banshees

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#202770

On 2018-11-25 5:59 a.m., Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:50:17 -0500
> Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Gary,
>
>> When I do that, VLC behaves itself. However when I added the faster and
>> slower buttons to the timeline panel, VLC stopped shutting down again.
> That explains why it doesn't affect me - because I don't have those
> buttons added.  I have no idea why that should happen.
>
> So, now you know what's causing it, you can check if that's expected
> behaviour, even if such behaviour is a recent change (changelog?) and
> take things from there.

That's too bizarre to ever be an expected behaviour. It's a bug.

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#202766

Am 21.11.18 um 02:29 schrieb Gary Dale:
> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a VLC session, the program continues to lurk in the process list until I send it the Kill signal. This is annoying because VLC stops the screen saver / session locker from kicking in while it is active so I have to bring up the System Activity monitor to check for and kill all the VLC processes.
> 
> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the Kill signal.

Go to Preferences -> Interface -> Show settings -> All ---> Interface -> Uncheck 'Run as deamon process'.

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#202771

On 2018-11-26, Martin <keine-eile@online.de> wrote:
> Am 21.11.18 um 02:29 schrieb Gary Dale:
>> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a VLC session, the program continues to lurk in the process list until I send it the Kill signal. This is annoying because VLC stops the screen saver / session locker from kicking in while it is active so I have to bring up the System Activity monitor to check for and kill all the VLC processes.
>> 
>> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the Kill signal.
>
> Go to Preferences -> Interface -> Show settings -> All ---> Interface
> -> Uncheck 'Run as deamon process'.

I checked that setting, began watching a video, then clicked the upper
right-hand 'X' of the latter's graphical window (which I believe is the
OP's customary modus operandi).

I didn't get any zombie or supernumerary process, though; vlc shutdown
cleanly and completely.


-- 
He used sentences differently from any other prose writer. He always sounded
like a slightly drunk man who is very melancholy, who has no illusions about
life, who is very strong but whose strength is entirely unnecessary.
--Krasznahorkai on Krúdy

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#202798

On 2018-11-26 8:37 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2018-11-26, Martin <keine-eile@online.de> wrote:
>> Am 21.11.18 um 02:29 schrieb Gary Dale:
>>> I'm running Debian/Buster with a Plasma 5 desktop. After I close a VLC session, the program continues to lurk in the process list until I send it the Kill signal. This is annoying because VLC stops the screen saver / session locker from kicking in while it is active so I have to bring up the System Activity monitor to check for and kill all the VLC processes.
>>>
>>> Note that just ending the process doesn't work. I need to send the Kill signal.
>> Go to Preferences -> Interface -> Show settings -> All ---> Interface
>> -> Uncheck 'Run as deamon process'.
> I checked that setting, began watching a video, then clicked the upper
> right-hand 'X' of the latter's graphical window (which I believe is the
> OP's customary modus operandi).
>
> I didn't get any zombie or supernumerary process, though; vlc shutdown
> cleanly and completely.
If you read the other discussion, the problem seems to be related with 
what controls you have added to the interface. If you just use the stock 
interface, it works. Adding speed controls creates the issue.

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#202808

On 2018-11-27, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you read the other discussion, the problem seems to be related with 
> what controls you have added to the interface. If you just use the stock 
> interface, it works. Adding speed controls creates the issue.
>

I added the 'faster' and 'slower' speed controls to the time toolbar in
vlc, started a video, stopped it by clicking the upper right-hand X of
the video's graphical window, but failed to reproduce the symptoms
you've described. 

-- 
He used sentences differently from any other prose writer. He always sounded
like a slightly drunk man who is very melancholy, who has no illusions about
life, who is very strong but whose strength is entirely unnecessary.
--Krasznahorkai on Krúdy

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#202833

On 2018-11-27 3:22 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2018-11-27, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you read the other discussion, the problem seems to be related with
>> what controls you have added to the interface. If you just use the stock
>> interface, it works. Adding speed controls creates the issue.
>>
> I added the 'faster' and 'slower' speed controls to the time toolbar in
> vlc, started a video, stopped it by clicking the upper right-hand X of
> the video's graphical window, but failed to reproduce the symptoms
> you've described.
>
The VLC maintainers appear to have finally fixed the problem.

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#202851

On 2018-11-27 12:58 p.m., Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2018-11-27 3:22 a.m., Curt wrote:
>> On 2018-11-27, Gary Dale <garyndp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you read the other discussion, the problem seems to be related with
>>> what controls you have added to the interface. If you just use the 
>>> stock
>>> interface, it works. Adding speed controls creates the issue.
>>>
>> I added the 'faster' and 'slower' speed controls to the time toolbar in
>> vlc, started a video, stopped it by clicking the upper right-hand X of
>> the video's graphical window, but failed to reproduce the symptoms
>> you've described.
>>
> The VLC maintainers appear to have finally fixed the problem.
>
I spoke too soon. I'm still having it.

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