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Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

Started by"Adrian D'Costa" <adriandcosta1@gmail.com>
First post2018-11-15 18:50 +0100
Last post2018-11-19 16:40 +0100
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  Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? "Adrian D'Costa" <adriandcosta1@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:50 +0100
    Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-11-15 19:10 +0100
      Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? "Adrian D'Costa" <adriandcosta1@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 20:10 +0100
        Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? Samuel Henrique <samueloph@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 20:20 +0100
        Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:00 +0100
          Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? "Tom D." <dtom77@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 02:20 +0100
            Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-11-16 03:50 +0100
              Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? "Tom D." <dtom77@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 04:30 +0100
                Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 16:40 +0100

#202487 — Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

From"Adrian D'Costa" <adriandcosta1@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 18:50 +0100
SubjectWhy has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?
Message-ID<wUtW9-6vB-3@gated-at.bofh.it>

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I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the kernel
and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia. And
I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I found
this works for my machine.


Why can't both of them coexist with each other?

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#202489

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2018-11-15 19:10 +0100
Message-ID<wUufw-6S0-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#202487
Adrian D'Costa wrote: 
> I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the kernel
> and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia. And
> I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I found
> this works for my machine.
> 
> 
> Why can't both of them coexist with each other?

Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
you see them co-existing?

-dsr-

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#202496

From"Adrian D'Costa" <adriandcosta1@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 20:10 +0100
Message-ID<wUvbA-7u9-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.

But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?

Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like nano
and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?



On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Adrian D'Costa wrote:
> > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the
> kernel
> > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia.
> And
> > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I
> found
> > this works for my machine.
> >
> >
> > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>
> Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
> you see them co-existing?
>
> -dsr-
>

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#202499

FromSamuel Henrique <samueloph@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 20:20 +0100
Message-ID<wUvlg-7y7-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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That's something that I always wondered about but never got the time to
debug,but:

If you have Nvidia and wants to use their driver on Ubuntu, it's pretty
straightforward and a no-brainer using their (Ubuntu's) driver installation
tool.
If you're using Debian, you very very likely will end up with a system who
does not start any DE and is greeted but the terminal.


-- 
Samuel Henrique <samueloph>

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#202505

From"Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 21:00 +0100
Message-ID<wUvXX-7Ma-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 15.11.2018 23:50, Adrian D'Costa wrote:
> Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.
>
> But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?
>
> Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like
> nano and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org
> <mailto:dsr@randomstring.org>> wrote:
>
>     Adrian D'Costa wrote:
>     > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling
>     the kernel
>     > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe
>     nvidia. And
>     > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian
>     flavours. I found
>     > this works for my machine.
>     >
>     >
>     > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>
>     Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
>     you see them co-existing?
>
>     -dsr-
>
I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
things you describe on Debian manually.

Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and
it's dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the
other things.

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ 
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#202517

From"Tom D." <dtom77@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-16 02:20 +0100
Message-ID<wUAXD-2FV-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from www.nvidia.com
for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678 video card driver.

It was a shell script with sh extension.

So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS, Nvidia driver
won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist nouveau completely and do
other things.

One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on Debian.

So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose between
NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and disable nouveau
accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is about giving people
choice alternative options. Isn't it?

Sincerely
Adrian D'Costa

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev <avbetev@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 15.11.2018 23:50, Adrian D'Costa wrote:
>
> Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.
>
> But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?
>
> Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like nano
> and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
>> Adrian D'Costa wrote:
>> > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the
>> kernel
>> > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia.
>> And
>> > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I
>> found
>> > this works for my machine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>>
>> Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
>> you see them co-existing?
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
> I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
> things you describe on Debian manually.
>
> Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and it's
> dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the other
> things.
>
> --
> With kindest regards, Alexander.
>
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
>
>

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#202518

FromCarl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date2018-11-16 03:50 +0100
Message-ID<wUCmK-3qa-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Note: top-posting fixed, some quotes trimmed.

> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev 
> <avbetev@gmail.com <mailto:avbetev@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to
>     do things you describe on Debian manually.
>     Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward
>     and it's dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you,
>     among the other things.
>
>
>     On 11/15/2018 08:13 PM, Tom D. wrote:
>>     Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from
>>     www.nvidia.com <http://www.nvidia.com>for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678
>>     video card driver.
>>
>>     It was a shell script with sh extension.
>>
>>     So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS,
>>     Nvidia driver won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist
>>     nouveau completely and do other things.
>>
>>     One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on
>>     Debian.
>>
>>     So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose
>>     between NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and
>>     disable nouveau accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is
>>     about giving people choice alternative options. Isn't it?
>>
>>     Sincerely
>>     Adrian D'Costa
>
Tom (or Adrian?): what Alexander is saying is that if you ignore the
direct download from the nVIDIA site, and just

     apt install nvidia-driver

it will download a copy of the proprietary driver and install it for
you, while simultaneously removing nouveau. That's the Debian Way to
install the commercial driver.

-- 
Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
http://reasonablyliterate.com

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#202520

From"Tom D." <dtom77@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-16 04:30 +0100
Message-ID<wUCZr-3ZA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Thank you, Sir. I understand now.

I am Adrian. So please feel free to call me by that name.

Again thank you for clarification.

Sincerely
Adrian D'Costa

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 9:42 PM Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote:

> Note: top-posting fixed, some quotes trimmed.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev <avbetev@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
>> things you describe on Debian manually.
>> Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and it's
>> dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the other
>> things.
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2018 08:13 PM, Tom D. wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from
>> www.nvidia.com for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678 video card driver.
>>
>> It was a shell script with sh extension.
>>
>> So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS, Nvidia driver
>> won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist nouveau completely and do
>> other things.
>>
>> One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on Debian.
>>
>> So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose between
>> NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and disable nouveau
>> accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is about giving people
>> choice alternative options. Isn't it?
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Adrian D'Costa
>>
>>
>> Tom (or Adrian?): what Alexander is saying is that if you ignore the
> direct download from the nVIDIA site, and just
>
>     apt install nvidia-driver
>
> it will download a copy of the proprietary driver and install it for
> you, while simultaneously removing nouveau. That's the Debian Way to
> install the commercial driver.
>
> --
> Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
> Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literatehttp://reasonablyliterate.com
>
>

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#202612

FromRic Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-19 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<wVTOy-4rl-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#202520
On 11/15/18 10:24 PM, Tom D. wrote:
> Thank you, Sir. I understand now.

Not quite, you're still top posting. It is frowned upon greatly in these 
parts.


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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