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  What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Shane Dev <devshane42@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:20 +0100
    Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-11-15 10:40 +0100
    Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-11-15 11:00 +0100
      Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-11-15 16:00 +0100
    Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-15 14:50 +0100
      Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Shane Dev <devshane42@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:20 +0100
        Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-11-15 15:30 +0100
          Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-11-15 15:40 +0100
        Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-15 16:20 +0100
        Re: What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-11-15 16:20 +0100

#202453 — What is the best way to install vim 8.1 on stretch?

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Hello,

I have a fresh install of Debian stretch including the relatively old vim
8. There is no vim version in stretch-backports. One solution is to
download the latest source from vim.org and build it on my pc but then I
would lose the benefits of apt package management. I could also add the
testing repositories to my apt configuration files and install the vim from
there. What is the recommended approach?

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#202454

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:14:58 +0100
Shane Dev <devshane42@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Shane,

>download the latest source from vim.org and build it on my pc but then I
>would lose the benefits of apt package management.

It's possible to build your own .deb, and install using apt(itude) or
synaptic, thereby retaining package manager benefits.  The 'deb-builder'
package may be of some use to you for this.  Along with some online
tutorials found by searching for 'build your own deb package'.

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#202455

On 11/15/2018 10:14 AM, Shane Dev wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a fresh install of Debian stretch including the relatively old vim
> 8. There is no vim version in stretch-backports. One solution is to
> download the latest source from vim.org and build it on my pc but then I
> would lose the benefits of apt package management. I could also add the
> testing repositories to my apt configuration files and install the vim from
> there. What is the recommended approach?
> 

Given that vim 8.1 is available in buster (1) you could use apt-pinning
(2) to download  it.

https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster&keywords=vim
https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences

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#202469

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:55:52AM +0100, john doe wrote:
>Given that vim 8.1 is available in buster (1) you could use apt-pinning
>(2) to download  it.

That is generally a horrible idea.

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#202463

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:14:58AM +0100, Shane Dev wrote:
>    Hello,
>    I have a fresh install of Debian stretch including the relatively old vim
>    8. There is no vim version in stretch-backports. One solution is to
>    download the latest source from [1]vim.org and build it on my pc but then
>    I would lose the benefits of apt package management. I could also add the
>    testing repositories to my apt configuration files and install the vim
>    from there. What is the recommended approach?
> 
So, I can't offer a better suggestion than those already offered
(rebuild from source package or install with pinning, though I would
personally opt for rebuilding the package from buster).  However, I am
quite curious what new features are in vim 8.1 that would cause you to
go to all the trouble.

Regards,

-Roberto

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>
>
> So, I can't offer a better suggestion than those already offered
> (rebuild from source package or install with pinning, though I would
> personally opt for rebuilding the package from buster).  However, I am
> quite curious what new features are in vim 8.1 that would cause you to
> go to all the trouble.
>

https://www.vim.org/vim-8.1-released.php - The main new feature of Vim 8.1
is support for running a terminal in a Vim window

but I am having second thoughts after reading the dire warnings in
https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences -

<!> When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself
since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that pinning is completely
optional, and Debian does not encourage pinning without thorough
consideration.

/!\ Seriously, don't do this. Doing this will break Debian and leave you
with a system that doesn't work and can't be fixed. Use Backports instead!

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#202467

Shane Dev wrote: 
> >
> >
> > So, I can't offer a better suggestion than those already offered
> > (rebuild from source package or install with pinning, though I would
> > personally opt for rebuilding the package from buster).  However, I am
> > quite curious what new features are in vim 8.1 that would cause you to
> > go to all the trouble.
> >
> 
> https://www.vim.org/vim-8.1-released.php - The main new feature of Vim 8.1
> is support for running a terminal in a Vim window
> 
> but I am having second thoughts after reading the dire warnings in
> https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences -
> 
> <!> When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself
> since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that pinning is completely
> optional, and Debian does not encourage pinning without thorough
> consideration.
> 
> /!\ Seriously, don't do this. Doing this will break Debian and leave you
> with a system that doesn't work and can't be fixed. Use Backports instead!

There are ways of using pinning safely, but they really aren't
obvious.

The most important bit is to understand the priority, which is
magic.

They are explained, at length, in man apt_preferences. The
highlights:

    P >= 1000
       causes a version to be installed even if this constitutes a downgrade of the package

    990 <= P < 1000
       causes a version to be installed even if it does not come from the target release, unless the installed version is more recent

    500 <= P < 990
       causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to the target release or the installed version is more recent

    100 <= P < 500
       causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to some other distribution or the installed version is more recent

    0 < P < 100
       causes a version to be installed only if there is no installed version of the package

    P < 0
       prevents the version from being installed

Overall, if you just want one package that's already in Debian?
Install the dependencies (build-dep), get the later package, and
see if you can rebuild it yourself. There will probably be a new
library or two.

-dsr-

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#202468

> > /!\ Seriously, don't do this. Doing this will break Debian and leave you
> > with a system that doesn't work and can't be fixed. Use Backports instead!

IRC> /msg dpkg simple sid backport

*dpkg* First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable:
1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src
sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update;
aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename;
apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than
sid see <uupdate>.

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#202470

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 03:13:37PM +0100, Shane Dev wrote:
>      So, I can't offer a better suggestion than those already offered
>      (rebuild from source package or install with pinning, though I would
>      personally opt for rebuilding the package from buster).  However, I am
>      quite curious what new features are in vim 8.1 that would cause you to
>      go to all the trouble.
> 
>    [1]https://www.vim.org/vim-8.1-released.php - The main new feature of Vim
>    8.1 is support for running a terminal in a Vim window  
>    but I am having second thoughts after reading the dire warnings in
>    [2]https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences -
>    <!> When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself
>    since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that pinning is completely
>    optional, and Debian does not encourage pinning without thorough
>    consideration.
>    /!\ Seriously, don't do this. Doing this will break Debian and leave you
>    with a system that doesn't work and can't be fixed. Use Backports instead!
> 
Rebuilding from source is fairly straightforward, so I would recommend
that approach over pinning.  Here is an article I wrote that explains
the process:

http://www.connexer.com/articles/debcustomize

Lots of other HOWTOs out there as well, I just know that the process I
documented in the article works well for me.

Regards,

-Roberto

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#202471

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 03:13:37PM +0100, Shane Dev wrote:
>https://www.vim.org/vim-8.1-released.php - The main new feature of Vim 8.1
>is support for running a terminal in a Vim window

The neovim in stretch has this feature. It might be worth giving that a
look. I have the following in ~/.config/nvim/init.vim, which instructs
it to use my existing ~/.vim configuration

    set runtimepath^=~/.vim runtimepath+=~/.vim/after
    let &packpath = &runtimepath
    source ~/.vim/vimrc

I can therefore try out neovim alongside vim. Although I haven't really
spent much time in nvim at all yet.

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