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  that other OS mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 17:40 +0100
    Re: that other OS Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-11-16 18:10 +0100
      Re: that other OS Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-11-16 18:30 +0100
      Re: that other OS Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-11-16 18:30 +0100
        Re: that other OS mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 18:40 +0100
        Re: that other OS mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 19:40 +0100
          Re: that other OS Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-11-16 20:40 +0100
            Re: that other OS "tv.debian@googlemail.com" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2018-11-17 13:00 +0100
              Re: that other OS Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-17 14:50 +0100
      Re: that other OS mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 18:30 +0100
        Re: that other OS Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-16 18:40 +0100
    Re: that other OS Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-11-16 18:40 +0100
      Re: that other OS Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 19:20 +0100
        Re: that other OS deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 19:40 +0100
    Re: that other OS deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 21:10 +0100
      Re: that other OS Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-16 21:50 +0100
        Re: that other OS "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2018-11-16 22:30 +0100
          Re: that other OS deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 00:40 +0100
            Re: that other OS Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 19:30 +0100

#202534 — that other OS

I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
I noticed tho that there is a new message
"Windows is a service..."
This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use 
the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.

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#202535

On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
>
> I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> I noticed tho that there is a new message
> "Windows is a service..."
> This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use 
> the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
>
Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from working 
if you don't subscribe?

I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have 
used for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.

--doug

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#202536

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:01:39 -0500
Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:

> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
> >
> > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> > I noticed tho that there is a new message
> > "Windows is a service..."
> > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to
> > use the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
> >  
> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from
> working if you don't subscribe?
> 


It was stated when Windows 10 was released that it would be the last
ever named/numbered version, implying that future revenues would come
from some sort of rent-seeking, as has happened with most of Office.

It's what Bill has always wanted to do, right from early DOS days. The
current infatuation with The Cloud isn't the first attempt to take
custody of peoples' data, just the first successful one.

-- 
Joe

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#202537

On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:01:39 -0500, Doug wrote:

> 
> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
> > 
> > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> > I noticed tho that there is a new message
> > "Windows is a service..."
> > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use
> > the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
> > 
> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from working if
> you don't subscribe?

The original post gave no reliable references; it looks like speculation.
You are now speculating on the speculation.

> I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have used
> for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.

Didn't take long to take an off-topic post even further off-topic and for
a reply to swallow the bait.

-- 
Brian.

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#202541

On 2018-11-16 17:29, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:01:39 -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
>> >
>> > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
>> > I noticed tho that there is a new message
>> > "Windows is a service..."
>> > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use
>> > the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
>> > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
>> >
>> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from 
>> working if
>> you don't subscribe?
> 
> The original post gave no reliable references; it looks like 
> speculation.
> You are now speculating on the speculation.
> 
>> I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have 
>> used
>> for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.
> 
> Didn't take long to take an off-topic post even further off-topic and 
> for
> a reply to swallow the bait.

you will have seen this beautiful letter
Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists#/media/File:Bill_Gates_Letter_to_Hobbyists.jpg
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#202542

On 2018-11-16 17:29, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:01:39 -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
>> >
>> > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
>> > I noticed tho that there is a new message
>> > "Windows is a service..."
>> > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use
>> > the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
>> > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
>> >
>> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from 
>> working if
>> you don't subscribe?
> 
> The original post gave no reliable references; it looks like 
> speculation.
> You are now speculating on the speculation.
> 
>> I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have 
>> used
>> for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.
> 
> Didn't take long to take an off-topic post even further off-topic and 
> for
> a reply to swallow the bait.

well I think it's relevant, I've contributed financially to some 
projects and if I had more I would contribute more but basically I am 
getting loads of excellent software for free
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#202543

On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 18:36:01 +0000, mick crane wrote:

> On 2018-11-16 17:29, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:01:39 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> > > > I noticed tho that there is a new message
> > > > "Windows is a service..."
> > > > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use
> > > > the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> > > > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
> > > >
> > > Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from
> > > working if
> > > you don't subscribe?
> > 
> > The original post gave no reliable references; it looks like
> > speculation.
> > You are now speculating on the speculation.
> > 
> > > I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I
> > > have used
> > > for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.
> > 
> > Didn't take long to take an off-topic post even further off-topic and
> > for
> > a reply to swallow the bait.
> 
> well I think it's relevant, I've contributed financially to some projects
> and if I had more I would contribute more but basically I am getting loads
> of excellent software for free

1. I am a Debian user.
2. I do not have a trumpet to blow.
3. I would prefer list posts to deal with the Debian ecosystem.

-- 
Brian.

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#202565

On 17/11/2018 01:00, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 18:36:01 +0000, mick crane wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-11-16 17:29, Brian wrote:
>>> On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:01:39 -0500, Doug wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
>>>>> I noticed tho that there is a new message
>>>>> "Windows is a service..."
>>>>> This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use
>>>>> the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
>>>>> Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
>>>>>
>>>> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from
>>>> working if
>>>> you don't subscribe?
>>>
>>> The original post gave no reliable references; it looks like
>>> speculation.
>>> You are now speculating on the speculation.
>>>
>>>> I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I
>>>> have used
>>>> for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for Linux.
>>>
>>> Didn't take long to take an off-topic post even further off-topic and
>>> for
>>> a reply to swallow the bait.
>>
>> well I think it's relevant, I've contributed financially to some projects
>> and if I had more I would contribute more but basically I am getting loads
>> of excellent software for free
> 
> 1. I am a Debian user.
> 2. I do not have a trumpet to blow.
> 3. I would prefer list posts to deal with the Debian ecosystem.
> 
(not answering directly to the above, which I agree with, just picked a 
random message to join the thread).

If one is really so inclined to follow buzzwords, Debian as a FOSS 
project is a "system as a service" and has been like every other FOSS 
software project for much longer than any other software. The difference 
being that the user can choose freely to contribute monthly, yearly, or 
at whatever interval is convenient to her/him, pick which part of the 
software he feels like paying for, and can contribute in other ways than 
giving money (time, help, patch, bug reports...). This is "software as a 
service" at its best and true meaning. And by contributing the user 
doesn't merely comply with a legal obligation to pay an arbitrary price 
for the use of a product, but expresses gratitude and support to what is 
important to him, and gives the product its real value by supporting and 
using it. I love "Debian as a service" and FOSS in general, and I try to 
express it as often as possible, willingly and freely.

Software as an extortionate alienating limited lease is what Microsoft 
and others are trying to entrap the user with, no service rendered.

Cheers.

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#202567

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 05:19:52PM +0530, tv.debian@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
> Software as an extortionate alienating limited lease is what Microsoft and
> others are trying to entrap the user with, no service rendered.
> 

That sounds like a great bumper sticker in the making.  Imagine,
"Software as an extortionate alienating limited lease" with a great big
red circle/slash over it.

Regards,

-Roberto
-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#202538

On 2018-11-16 17:01, Doug wrote:
> On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
>> 
>> I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
>> I noticed tho that there is a new message
>> "Windows is a service..."
>> This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use 
>> the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
>> Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
>> 
> Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from
> working if you don't subscribe?
> 
> I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have
> used for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for
> Linux.
> 
> --doug

notepad++  ?


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#202539

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 05:21:00PM +0000, mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-11-16 17:01, Doug wrote:
> > On 11/16/2018 11:32 AM, mick crane wrote:
> > > 
> > > I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> > > I noticed tho that there is a new message
> > > "Windows is a service..."
> > > This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to
> > > use the OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> > > Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
> > > 
> > Are they going to send an "upgrade" that will stop Windows from
> > working if you don't subscribe?
> > 
> > I almost never use Windows, altho the text reader program that I have
> > used for years on Windows is far superior to anything available for
> > Linux.
> > 
> > --doug
> 
> notepad++  ?
> 

I am relatively sure Doug is referring to the accesibility/assistive
technology screen reader [0], not just a plain text editor.

Regards,

-Roberto

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader
-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#202540

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 04:32:55PM +0000, mick crane wrote:
> 
> I use windows I'm not ashamed to say that.
> I noticed tho that there is a new message
> "Windows is a service..."
> This is that thing where they want people to pay a monthly fee to use the
> OS, like adobe apparently did with their photo suite.
> Just saying, prepare for stampede of ex windows users.
> 
This prediction has been made each time a major change is made in
Windows.  For example, when they started requiring activation, there
were supposed to be legions of users totally dumping Microsoft in favor
of alternatives.

However, there are two reasons why all such predictions have been
inaccurate.  For one, the vast majority of Microsoft users exhibit
signs of co-dependency (i.e., they think that no matter how "bad" things
are with Microsoft, they would be "worse" without Microsoft).  The other
reason is that Microsoft has managed to implement these changes mostly
incrementally such that the user does not realize what is really
happening, much like the boiling frog [0].

I think it would be great if more people ditched Microsoft on the
desktop and went to alternatives, as it would force more software
vendors, service providers, etc., to at least acknowledge (if not fully
support) Linux, &co.

However, I am not going to hold my breath.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#202641

On 11/16/18 12:34 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

> I think it would be great if more people ditched Microsoft on the
> desktop and went to alternatives, as it would force more software
> vendors, service providers, etc., to at least acknowledge (if not fully
> support) Linux, &co.
> 
> However, I am not going to hold my breath.


I've held mine since 1996 with a Slackware install from floppy disks. I 
worked for RedHat from 1999 to 2000 during the IPO era. Nothing but 
Linux evere since. However I cannot bear the pain any longer. I just 
want to watch a 3D movie on DVD. I sunk a small fortune into nVidia 
cards and 3D glasses hardware and Acer hot-rod monitors, with Gsync and 
3D Vision blazened on the front. None of this works and hasn't for 
several tears, acording to my google madness hunt.

Long story short, I bought a Win 10 install package. God heal my 
darkened soul. But, I'm going to use my computer to do things that 
here-to-for has been denied me! Our community has pissed on nVidia's 
shoes once too often. So, we're ignored on the 3D front. And wine 
doesn't cut it playing high-end game titles.

My computer shits lightening and farts thunder, so it's about time I 
woke up and used the damn thing for something more than Hunt-The-Wumpus. 
I Am going to watch a 3D movie with the shutter specs. I bought the DVD 
for $10 and $500 for better hardware.Heckuva note. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#202643

Ric Moore wrote:

> I've held mine since 1996 with a Slackware install from floppy disks. I
> worked for RedHat from 1999 to 2000 during the IPO era. Nothing but
> Linux evere since. However I cannot bear the pain any longer. I just
> want to watch a 3D movie on DVD. I sunk a small fortune into nVidia
> cards and 3D glasses hardware and Acer hot-rod monitors, with Gsync and
> 3D Vision blazened on the front. None of this works and hasn't for
> several tears, acording to my google madness hunt.
> 
> Long story short, I bought a Win 10 install package. God heal my
> darkened soul. But, I'm going to use my computer to do things that
> here-to-for has been denied me! Our community has pissed on nVidia's
> shoes once too often. So, we're ignored on the 3D front. And wine
> doesn't cut it playing high-end game titles.
> 
> My computer shits lightening and farts thunder, so it's about time I
> woke up and used the damn thing for something more than Hunt-The-Wumpus.
> I Am going to watch a 3D movie with the shutter specs. I bought the DVD
> for $10 and $500 for better hardware.Heckuva note. Ric

This was a good story :D
ENJOY!

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#202544

mick crane wrote:

> "Windows is a service..."

Service or not it is still the same crap :)

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#202546

On Friday 16 November 2018 15:02:53 deloptes wrote:

> mick crane wrote:
> > "Windows is a service..."
>
> Service or not it is still the same crap :)

Great minds...


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202547

mick crane wrote:
>>> "Windows is a service..."

Actually, I'd call WinDoze a DISservice.

(I don't allow WinDoze in my house.)

--
JHHL
(Currently using PCDOS-2000, OS/400, MacOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Android, and 
occasionally, at work, CentOS and WinDoze XP.)

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#202548

James H. H. Lampert wrote:

> Actually, I'd call WinDoze a DISservice.
> 
> (I don't allow WinDoze in my house.)

Be pragmatic. Even big crappy hammer can be useful someday, if you want to
smash something and don't have other tool or your company policy is telling
you "this is the tool". So let us not underestimate the qualities of
crap :) And if you are lucky while using it, it will not fall apart and
break your feet.
In fact if you know how to operate this crap, you even get payed :)
But as you have a choice in your private life and you are wise, you choose
debian + TDE (God bless all in the chain, who make it possible)

regards

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#202642

On 11/16/18 6:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
> James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> 
>> Actually, I'd call WinDoze a DISservice.
>>
>> (I don't allow WinDoze in my house.)
> 
> Be pragmatic. Even big crappy hammer can be useful someday, if you want to
> smash something 

OK, now it can be TOLD! Enough years have passed so it should be OK. 
Back in 1999 the worst kept secret among employees at RedHat was the 
knowledge that there was one hidden computer, buried in the basement 
under heaps of cardboard boxes, that ran Windows in order to manage the 
automatic CD writing and printing machine. It refused to work under 
Linux and the CD's had to be created. There ya go, useful work. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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