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  Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-14 00:20 +0100
    Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-14 00:40 +0100
    Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-14 00:40 +0100
      Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-11-14 09:40 +0100
        Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:40 +0100
      Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-11-14 14:00 +0100
        Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-11-14 17:30 +0100
    Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-11-14 22:00 +0100
      Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-14 22:10 +0100
        Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 00:10 +0100
          Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 00:20 +0100
          Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-15 01:20 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-11-15 04:30 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 20:20 +0100
          Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2018-11-15 13:00 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-15 18:40 +0100
              Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 20:10 +0100
                Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-15 20:20 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 20:00 +0100
              Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-15 20:10 +0100
                Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 20:30 +0100
        Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-11-15 06:50 +0100
          Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-11-15 07:00 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-11-15 07:10 +0100
              Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-11-15 14:40 +0100
                Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2018-11-15 15:10 +0100
            Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-11-15 07:10 +0100
          Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-11-15 20:10 +0100
    Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment. "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-11-16 07:30 +0100

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#202373 — Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.

Hi Folks,
More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because I 
only have access to Linux via a shell.
Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
Changes in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.
Does not help speaking personally  that  Paypal itself claims they do not 
support Linux.
Ideas?
Kare

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#202374

Oh I have spoken with the executive office more than once, is where I am 
getting the claim.



On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 November 2018 18:04:44 Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
>> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
>> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
>> Changes in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.
>> Does not help speaking personally  that  Paypal itself claims they do
>> not support Linux.
>> Ideas?
>> Kare
>
> "escalate" the call. Paypal I think, runs on linux. Somebody up the chain
> has to know how it works.
>
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>

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#202375

On Tuesday 13 November 2018 18:04:44 Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
> Changes in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.
> Does not help speaking personally  that  Paypal itself claims they do
> not support Linux.
> Ideas?
> Kare

"escalate" the call. Paypal I think, runs on linux. Somebody up the chain 
has to know how it works.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202386

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:30:47 -0500
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 November 2018 18:04:44 Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
> > Hi Folks,
> > More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox,
> > because I only have access to Linux via a shell.
> > Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
> > Changes in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.
> > Does not help speaking personally  that  Paypal itself claims they
> > do not support Linux.
> > Ideas?
> > Kare  
> 
> "escalate" the call. Paypal I think, runs on linux. 

That doesn't mean they allow their customers to use it.

Think about it, the minimum wage call-centre people work from scripts.
That's workable with Windows, of which there are only two
near-identical versions supported by Microsoft. I don't know OSX, but
I'd think pretty much the same was true by now.

Now, how many Linux desktops are there? How many have moveable and
customisable panels? How are you going to deal with that over the phone
from a script? That's not even thinking about the command line, and
which underlying distribution has which tools as 'standard'.

-- 
Joe

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#202431

Joe wrote:

> That doesn't mean they allow their customers to use it.
> 
> Think about it, the minimum wage call-centre people work from scripts.
> That's workable with Windows, of which there are only two
> near-identical versions supported by Microsoft. I don't know OSX, but
> I'd think pretty much the same was true by now.
> 
> Now, how many Linux desktops are there? How many have moveable and
> customisable panels? How are you going to deal with that over the phone
> from a script? That's not even thinking about the command line, and
> which underlying distribution has which tools as 'standard'.

Exactly first of all linux desktop does not have significant market share to 
spent time on testing.
You have to prove your product is working in specific environment, so you
pick up perhaps Windows, Apple (iOS) and Android with respective versions
because these are the desktops having most of the market share. Then you
pick up some browsers: Firefox, IE, Chrome, Safary and particularly the
versions. and then finally you can perform the tests and prove the system
is working for this OS version and that browser, so forget this linux and
low graphics etc. You'll never achieve something, cause PayPal and similar
are mainly after the money. They will not spent a dime to make you happy.
In the world of HTML5 you are expected to have a decent browser with HTML4
or HTML5 and javascript support at least.

regards

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#202401

> "escalate" the call.  Paypal I think, runs on linux.

You mean Android/Linux or GNU/Linux?

In any case, this is like saying that Toyota uses diesel-powered
vehicules to ship its cars (and parts), so of course its vehicules will
also accept diesel.


        Stefan

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#202419

On Wednesday 14 November 2018 07:57:50 Stefan Monnier wrote:

> > "escalate" the call.  Paypal I think, runs on linux.
>
> You mean Android/Linux or GNU/Linux?
>
> In any case, this is like saying that Toyota uses diesel-powered
> vehicules to ship its cars (and parts), so of course its vehicules
> will also accept diesel.
>
>
>         Stefan
Chuckle. But now here's practicality, and offtopic:

In 1978 I was the CE at a tv station Now long gone because the market 
wasn't big enough. But since I started out in broadcast engineering at 
KOTA, I worked for and with the engineer at TEPCO, who made the 
microwave gear that intercepted 1/4 of a watt from the cross-country 
network backbone at a site called waterdog someplace north of the 
Umcompaugraphy(sp?) plateau in CO, and sent it on south thru two more 
hops to get to KIVA-tv just south of Farmington NM.  Needing to go fix 
something, I took the station owners '77 Bronco to our gas tradeout and 
filled the empty front tank up from the regular pump. Unknown to the 
station at the time, the tank truck driver had just filled the regular 
tank with super-diesel. I made it to about the corner west of town and 
had just turned north when I found the 303 was pinging like crazy on 
anything that resembled an upgrade, so I switched tanks, curing the ping 
in about a quarter mile. My trip was important, so I continued switching 
tanks, but stopped in Cortez and filled that tank up from the ethyl 
pump. After 30 more miles I was able to use a bit more throttle on the 
hills before switching tanks. I got to our site on North Mountain and 
found it dead, so had to go on north to the our first site, where I had 
to replace the transmitter klystron. By then I was looking at the gas 
gauge but took a chance and backed south, stopping at the Phillips Store 
at the bottom of north mountain where I again filled that tank with 
ethyl, and the other with regular, and I was able to use from the bigger 
tank all the way up north mountain with only an occasional ping.  The 
rest of that trip was uneventful, but it proved that within reason, a 
year old ford bronco could be run on super-diesel. Back to regular it 
ran like a scalded cat because all the carbon deposits had been blasted 
away, leaving its innards quite clean till it got carboned up again. 

Now back to the regularly scheduled the argument about passwds, with some 
of the arguments for short ones blowing my mind, probably posted by 
windows users at home who have not yet been hacked. Your time is coming.

My only encounter with paypal on the phone was rather nicely handled by 
the support person answering the phone. Several years ago now.

Historically, I've had more problems with ebay when I'm playing visiting 
fireman 2k miles from my home machine and trying to buy a card for a 
$12,000 commercial player whose scsi card had died. Took 3 days of 
yelling at them before they would give me the sellers address to 
complete the sale, their software was not able to authenticate/pass me 
as the buyer because at that site, I was forced to use an xp machine 
locked down by a firewall they need in Northern CA right now.

They weren't able to handle a familiar buyer useing a differrent machine 
2000 miles away from his home machine.

That call wound up being escalated 4 times before I got to someone who 
understood the problem, and gave me the sellers ebay address.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#202433

> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?

Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?


        Stefan

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#202434

You have used paypal with this tool?
before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to consider the  option, I 
wish to  know it works.
for the record shellworld uses Ubuntu.
Jude, if you are following this thread, could the program run here?
Karen



On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
>> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
>> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
>
> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>
>
>        Stefan
>
>

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#202437

Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time anywhere for screen
reader users.

I did try using the program and after installation the program opened
its home page and didn't respond to any keyboard commands attempted.  I
used it in a command line environment and in order for the program to
respond to keyboard commands it has to be running in a graphical user
environment.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:06:59
> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
> Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> You have used paypal with this tool?
> before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to consider the  option, I wish
> to  know it works.
> for the record shellworld uses Ubuntu.
> Jude, if you are following this thread, could the program run here?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> >> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
> >> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
> >> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
> >
> > Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
> >
> >
> >        Stefan
> >
> >
>
>
>

-- 

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#202438

Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time anywhere for screen
> reader users.
> 
> I did try using the program and after installation the program opened
> its home page and didn't respond to any keyboard commands attempted.  I
> used it in a command line environment and in order for the program to
> respond to keyboard commands it has to be running in a graphical user
> environment.

your question should be if there is some command line tool implementing some
of the modern web engines. The engines are not much, but I have not heard
of a CLI tool to utilize the engines. If you find something let us know
please.

regards

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#202440

Well, I did specify in the subject line, low graphics environment.  when I 
checked  the link provided for browsh, and it referenced Firefox, I could 
not  understand why it was suggested.
Your test support that it was not an appropriate solution.
It is unfortunate that paypal tech support has  such limited understanding 
of Linux in general, the e-links browser  especially seems to enrage them.
Thanks for checking,
Kare



On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time anywhere for screen
> reader users.
>
> I did try using the program and after installation the program opened
> its home page and didn't respond to any keyboard commands attempted.  I
> used it in a command line environment and in order for the program to
> respond to keyboard commands it has to be running in a graphical user
> environment.
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:06:59
>> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
>> Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> You have used paypal with this tool?
>> before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to consider the  option, I wish
>> to  know it works.
>> for the record shellworld uses Ubuntu.
>> Jude, if you are following this thread, could the program run here?
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>
>>>> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
>>>> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
>>>> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
>>>
>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>>>
>>>
>>>        Stefan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>

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#202443

> Well, I did specify in the subject line, low graphics environment.  when
> I checked  the link provided for browsh, and it referenced Firefox, I could
> not  understand why it was suggested.

Because browsh renders its output in a text terminal (it uses Firefox
internally only).  It's the only text-mode web browser I know which
stands a chance to work on sites like Paypal, I think, because it uses
a standard web engine, with full HTML5 support.

But that doesn't mean that it does work, indeed, hence the phrasing of
my previous message as a question.


        Stefan

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#202500

My tests were verified by the developer of slint who I believe is also
on this list and unlike me, he can see the computer screen.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:12:42
> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:13:30 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Well, I did specify in the subject line, low graphics environment.  when I
> checked  the link provided for browsh, and it referenced Firefox, I could not
> understand why it was suggested.
> Your test support that it was not an appropriate solution.
> It is unfortunate that paypal tech support has  such limited understanding of
> Linux in general, the e-links browser  especially seems to enrage them.
> Thanks for checking,
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time anywhere for screen
> > reader users.
> >
> > I did try using the program and after installation the program opened
> > its home page and didn't respond to any keyboard commands attempted.  I
> > used it in a command line environment and in order for the program to
> > respond to keyboard commands it has to be running in a graphical user
> > environment.
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:06:59
> >> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> >> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> >> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
> >> Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
> >> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >>
> >> You have used paypal with this tool?
> >> before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to consider the  option, I
> >> wish
> >> to  know it works.
> >> for the record shellworld uses Ubuntu.
> >> Jude, if you are following this thread, could the program run here?
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >>
> >>>> More for those using tools like links then tools like Firefox, because
> >>>> I only have access to Linux via a shell.
> >>>> Is there an alternative door to paypal, or a paypal alternative?
> >>>
> >>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>        Stefan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>

-- 

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#202457

* Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
>>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
>>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
>>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?

* Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?

Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.

* Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
>> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
>> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.

* Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
> anywhere for screen reader users.

Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
<http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.

That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
<http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
which is what you really need to start grokking ed.

When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.

The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.

A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
(rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.

There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.

You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.

Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.

-- 
                 Will Mengarini  <seldon@eskimo.com>
         Free software: the Source will be with you, always.
   O< ASCII ribbon campaign - stop HTML mail - www.asciiribbon.org
               sh -c 'echo -n MENGARINI|sum -s|colrm 4'

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#202485

We already have edbrowse here.
Unless you have successfully used it at paypal, meaning you can correct 
what happens  when I tried using it there  when my problems first started, 
I am  unsure of the point.
  granted the person who created the software did not think it will work 
there  so if you have benn successful at paypal let me know.
I could not even get ebrowse  to load a text file.
Kare



On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Will Mengarini wrote:

> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
>>>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
>>>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
>>>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?
>
> * Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
>>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>
> Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
> It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.
>
> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
>>> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
>>> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.
>
> * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
>> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
>> anywhere for screen reader users.
>
> Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
> <http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
> to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
> into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
> I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.
>
> That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
> <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
> man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
> hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
> epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
> server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
> which is what you really need to start grokking ed.
>
> When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
> for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
> initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.
>
> The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
> browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
> start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
> then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.
>
> A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
> (rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.
>
> There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
> which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
> for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
> and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
> tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.
>
> You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
> 'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
> which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
> can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
> and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.
>
> Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
> all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
> a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
> distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
> mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
> You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.
>
> --
>                 Will Mengarini  <seldon@eskimo.com>
>         Free software: the Source will be with you, always.
>   O< ASCII ribbon campaign - stop HTML mail - www.asciiribbon.org
>               sh -c 'echo -n MENGARINI|sum -s|colrm 4'
>
>

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#202495

Had you got edbrowse to load a text file from any other website before
you tried paypal?  If not, probably edbrowse loaded your text file on
paypal and you didn't know that load had happened.  In the configuration
file if memory serves a default prompt level is set and the level is by
default for experienced edbrowse users with minimal interaction.  It
could also be a debug level.  In either case output from any debug when
edbrowse fails to work on a site ought to be sent to the developer since
maybe a little more of the javascript corpus needs to be made
interactive in edbrowse for the failing site to work.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:36:33
> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> To: Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com>
> Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>,
>     Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:36:52 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> We already have edbrowse here.
> Unless you have successfully used it at paypal, meaning you can correct what
> happens  when I tried using it there  when my problems first started, I am
> unsure of the point.
>  granted the person who created the software did not think it will work there
> so if you have benn successful at paypal let me know.
> I could not even get ebrowse  to load a text file.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Will Mengarini wrote:
>
> > * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
> >>>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
> >>>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
> >>>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?
> >
> > * Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
> >>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
> >
> > Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
> > It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.
> >
> > * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
> >>> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
> >>> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.
> >
> > * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
> >> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
> >> anywhere for screen reader users.
> >
> > Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
> > <http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
> > to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
> > into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
> > I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.
> >
> > That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
> > <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
> > man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
> > hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
> > epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
> > server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
> > which is what you really need to start grokking ed.
> >
> > When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
> > for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
> > initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.
> >
> > The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
> > browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
> > start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
> > then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.
> >
> > A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
> > (rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.
> >
> > There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
> > which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
> > for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
> > and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
> > tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.
> >
> > You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
> > 'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
> > which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
> > can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
> > and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.
> >
> > Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
> > all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
> > a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
> > distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
> > mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
> > You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.
> >
> > --
> >                 Will Mengarini  <seldon@eskimo.com>
> >         Free software: the Source will be with you, always.
> >   O< ASCII ribbon campaign - stop HTML mail - www.asciiribbon.org
> >               sh -c 'echo -n MENGARINI|sum -s|colrm 4'
> >
> >
>
>

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#202498

Actually I tried the text file first, to simply see if the browser would 
work...at all.
Then I left the program running edbrowse www.paypal.com
I agree there may be something with the config file, which I cannot even 
find if it gets created.
Communicating with Karl the developer  indicates he is having some tough 
times these days.
Have asked Ken where the edbrowse files go so I can find my config, since 
I have a users guide already.
Thanks,
Karen



On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Had you got edbrowse to load a text file from any other website before
> you tried paypal?  If not, probably edbrowse loaded your text file on
> paypal and you didn't know that load had happened.  In the configuration
> file if memory serves a default prompt level is set and the level is by
> default for experienced edbrowse users with minimal interaction.  It
> could also be a debug level.  In either case output from any debug when
> edbrowse fails to work on a site ought to be sent to the developer since
> maybe a little more of the javascript corpus needs to be made
> interactive in edbrowse for the failing site to work.
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:36:33
>> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
>> To: Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com>
>> Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>,
>>     Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
>> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:36:52 +0000 (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> We already have edbrowse here.
>> Unless you have successfully used it at paypal, meaning you can correct what
>> happens  when I tried using it there  when my problems first started, I am
>> unsure of the point.
>>  granted the person who created the software did not think it will work there
>> so if you have benn successful at paypal let me know.
>> I could not even get ebrowse  to load a text file.
>> Kare
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Will Mengarini wrote:
>>
>>> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
>>>>>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
>>>>>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
>>>>>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?
>>>
>>> * Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
>>>>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>>>
>>> Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
>>> It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.
>>>
>>> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
>>>>> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
>>>>> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.
>>>
>>> * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
>>>> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
>>>> anywhere for screen reader users.
>>>
>>> Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
>>> <http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
>>> to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
>>> into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
>>> I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.
>>>
>>> That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
>>> <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
>>> man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
>>> hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
>>> epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
>>> server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
>>> which is what you really need to start grokking ed.
>>>
>>> When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
>>> for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
>>> initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.
>>>
>>> The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
>>> browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
>>> start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
>>> then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.
>>>
>>> A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
>>> (rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.
>>>
>>> There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
>>> which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
>>> for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
>>> and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
>>> tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.
>>>
>>> You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
>>> 'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
>>> which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
>>> can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
>>> and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.
>>>
>>> Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
>>> all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
>>> a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
>>> distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
>>> mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
>>> You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.
>>>
>>> --
>>>                 Will Mengarini  <seldon@eskimo.com>
>>>         Free software: the Source will be with you, always.
>>>   O< ASCII ribbon campaign - stop HTML mail - www.asciiribbon.org
>>>               sh -c 'echo -n MENGARINI|sum -s|colrm 4'
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>

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#202492

You use qt to quit out of edbrowse.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Will Mengarini
wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:58:37
> From: Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> Cc: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>,
>     Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:58:58 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
> >>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
> >>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
> >>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?
>
> * Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
> >>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>
> Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
> It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.
>
> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
> >> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
> >> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.
>
> * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
> > Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
> > anywhere for screen reader users.
>
> Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
> <http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
> to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
> into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
> I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.
>
> That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
> <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
> man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
> hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
> epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
> server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
> which is what you really need to start grokking ed.
>
> When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
> for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
> initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.
>
> The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
> browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
> start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
> then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.
>
> A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
> (rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.
>
> There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
> which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
> for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
> and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
> tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.
>
> You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
> 'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
> which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
> can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
> and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.
>
> Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
> all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
> a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
> distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
> mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
> You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.
>
>

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#202493

Jude,
I am sorry but your comments  did not come through.
Edbrowse is already on shellworld, Ken tells me.
When I run the program, it simply says ebrowse ready, and edbrowse 
www.paypal.com simply produces numbers with no content.
As I recall you know the browser, can you confirm it can be used at 
paypal?
Kare



On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> You use qt to quit out of edbrowse.
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Will Mengarini
> wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:58:37
>> From: Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com>
>> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
>> Cc: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>,
>>     Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: Paypal and Linux in a low graphics environment.
>> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:58:58 +0000 (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/13=Tu 18:04 -0500]:
>>>>>> [...] I only have access to Linux via a shell.  [Using "modern"
>>>>>> sites like PayPal is hard because of graphics, JS, etc.]  Changes
>>>>>> in the past week or so makes even elinks a problem.  Ideas?
>>
>> * Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> [18-11/14=We 15:55 -0500]:
>>>>> Tried browsh (https://www.brow.sh/)?
>>
>> Another option is Edbrowse <http://edbrowse.org/>.
>> It is extremely hardcore <http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt>.
>>
>> * Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> [18-11/14=We 17:06 -0500]:
>>>> [...] before I ask the shellworld.net administrator to
>>>> consider [browsh], I wish to know it works.
>>
>> * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [18-11/14=We 18:03 -0500]:
>>> Unfortunately browsh isn't ready for prime time
>>> anywhere for screen reader users.
>>
>> Edbrowse has the advantage of offering statically-linked binaries at
>> <http://edbrowse.org/static/>; instead of asking your administrator
>> to set it up, you can just download the 32-bit or 64-bit binary
>> into your <~/bin> (which is presumably in your $PATH) and run it.
>> I have done this and it works, but I have not tried PayPal.
>>
>> That installation will not get any documentation, of course.
>> <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/edbrowse/> is a third-party
>> man page; the substance of it is in English, though it's
>> hosted on a French server so has some prolegomena and
>> epilegomena in French; those can be ignored.  The same
>> server also hosts <http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/ed/>,
>> which is what you really need to start grokking ed.
>>
>> When you first run edbrowse, it will create a default config file
>> for you, and warn you about it.  I was able to use edbrowse without
>> initially modifying my config file; just ignore it until you need it.
>>
>> The shell command 'edbrowse http://edbrowse.org/usersguide.html'
>> browses the the user's guide.  To page through that file,
>> start with the ed command '0z24' to get the first 24 lines;
>> then, 'z' for each subsequent 24 lines; finally, 'q' to exit.
>>
>> A quick reference guide begins at line 289 of that
>> (rendered) file, which has a total of 3,522 lines.
>>
>> There is a wiki at <https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki>,
>> which I was able to access with Lynx; it contains instructions
>> for making it accessible with Edbrowse (markdown is involved,
>> and you need to edit your config file for that).  It also has
>> tips for Twitter and Facebook, but doesn't mention PayPal.
>>
>> You can edit your config file, <~/.ebrc>, by running the shell command
>> 'edbrowse -c'.  The file starts with stuff like mail accounts, for
>> which you may prefer not to put passwords on <shellworld.net>.  You
>> can just ignore that stuff (i.e leave the invalid examples unchanged),
>> and only make the changes you need, such as markdown support.
>>
>> Apropos <shellworld.net>, I couldn't even find a home page for them;
>> all accesses were "ERROR 403: Forbidden".  I'm paying $7/month for
>> a shell account at Eskimo North that gives me access to 13 different
>> distributions on virtual servers, as well as the usual amenities like
>> mail, news, and my own web site; and tech support is very responsive.
>> You might want to investigate <http://www.eskimo.com/>.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>

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