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| Started by | P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-30 09:20 +0100 |
| Last post | 2018-11-01 15:40 +0100 |
| Articles | 14 on this page of 34 — 23 participants |
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Help me Linux P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 09:20 +0100
Re: Help me Linux john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-10-30 10:20 +0100
Re: Help me Linux vipul kumar <finn98@protonmail.com> - 2018-10-30 11:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-30 11:20 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-30 11:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-30 13:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-10-30 13:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2018-10-30 16:10 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-30 16:50 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2018-10-30 23:10 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2018-10-30 14:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2018-10-30 14:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 15:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 16:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 16:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 17:50 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-10-30 18:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux and now waaaay off topic Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 18:50 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2018-10-30 16:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-10-30 16:10 +0100
Re: Help me Linux rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-10-30 17:10 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-10-31 00:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-10-31 07:20 +0100
Re: Help me Linux songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-10-31 13:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-31 14:50 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-11-01 10:30 +0100
Re: Help me Linux Neeraj Rawat <neerajrawat.com@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 15:40 +0100
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| From | Kent West <westk@acu.edu> |
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| Date | 2018-10-30 16:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wODES-8pe-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201858 |
On 10/30/18 3:17 AM, P M wrote: > Hey, this is Piyush M. > > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED > DEBIAN. I suggest you try again, and take notes if necessary, and ask this list when you run into an issue, making sure to be specific about what errors are listed, when, after doing what. (Be sure to use descriptive subject lines on your emails, so that two years from now when someone is searching on "How to fix X", they don't miss it because it's buried in a mail with a non-meaningful subject line like "I'm having a problem".) Installing Debian is the first thing for you to accomplish. After that, the other issues in your email can be addressed. -- Kent West <")))>< Technology Support Abilene Christian University Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2018-10-30 16:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wODOx-fW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201886 |
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > On 10/30/18 3:17 AM, P M wrote: > > Hey, this is Piyush M. > > > > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED > > DEBIAN. > > I suggest you try again, and take notes if necessary, and ask this list > when you run into an issue, making sure to be specific about what errors > are listed, when, after doing what. (Be sure to use descriptive subject > lines on your emails, so that two years from now when someone is > searching on "How to fix X", they don't miss it because it's buried in a > mail with a non-meaningful subject line like "I'm having a problem".) > > Installing Debian is the first thing for you to accomplish. After that, > the other issues in your email can be addressed. Also be sure to say what kind of machine you're installing on (exact model number if possible, or what kind of virtual machine it is, if you're installing virtually), which installer you're using, whether you're attempting to use wireless networking during the installation, and so on. I'll skip forward a bit and say that if this is an attempted LAPTOP installation, then you probably want to use the unofficial installer images that include non-free firmware. Most laptops have hardware (especially the wireless network interfaces) that won't work with only free drivers and firmware. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ Free software purists may of course choose not to use these images because they include non-free firmware. In such cases, I would advise not using a laptop unless it is custom-built for Freedom.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-30 17:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOEKB-NS-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201858 |
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 04:17:05 AM P M wrote: > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN. > I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and > experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me! Sort of on a different note, I don't know where you live (India, maybe), but why don't you search for a Linux User's Group near you (if you live in India, try [LUG India]. There might be one close enough to you that you can get some hands on help.
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| From | Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 00:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOL9n-4pX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201858 |
On 30/10/2018 21:17, P M wrote: > Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic > and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is. You are feeling the potential of open source: a community open to all and your freedom to change anything. Even Microsoft is embracing it. > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN. Debian is harder to install than Ubuntu because it gives you more choice. Choice reduces happiness: https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy But choice gives you power. Try installing a minimal Debian in a virtual machine. Try adding more packages and a desktop environment. > suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in > the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python? I recommend learning Linux and Python by using them wherever possible. What are your areas of interest? Games? Science? You could start a tiny Python project. A great way to learn from others is to contribute to an open source project. > My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux > for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many > claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and > productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this > also. I meet all my office needs with LibreOffice. If you prefer Windows offerings, you can run Debian in a virtual machine and have the best of both worlds. Kind regards, -- Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> Director Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/> New Zealand
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| From | Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 07:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOS1c-qY-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201914 |
On 31.10.18 11:49, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> On 30/10/2018 21:17, P M wrote:
> > Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic
> > and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.
>
> You are feeling the potential of open source: a community open to all and
> your freedom to change anything. Even Microsoft is embracing it.
>
> > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
>
> Debian is harder to install than Ubuntu because it gives you more choice.
> Choice reduces happiness:
> https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy
For the use case, ubuntu might be a good lead-in for confidence
building. I once read on luv-main, in slightly longer form:
"My grandmother currently runs ubuntu. This was not my doing, but she
managed to wipe her windows and install it accidentally when someone
handed her the live CD to deal with a windows problem she was having.
The computer asked her to do things. So she did."
Erik
--
Debian is for people who can read man pages.
Robert Moonen (on luv-main ML)
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| From | songbird <songbird@anthive.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 13:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOXNg-3N6-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201858 |
P M wrote: > Hey, this is Piyush M. > I am a computer science graduate from 2015. you were ripped off if you paid for that and the institution which gave you that degree should be discredited. > It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area > there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux > was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed > that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel > my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software. > Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic > and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is. > > The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in > any computer language or any field of computer. my statement above is based upon this sentence... and yes, you can improve, so get back to work on what you are missing. year 1. basic computer hardware/software and at least a dozen languages from various families of languages so you get an idea of what is useful for what. year 2, add some theory on data structures and computational complexity. basic networking. graphics and graphic design. year 3, data bases, os's, basic components of software systems (editors, compilers, linkers, loaders, file systems, etc) year 4, advanced computer architectures, multiprocessing, advanced networking good luck... you notice above i mention nothing about MS or apps? that's stuff on top of what you learn and is useful, but only if you want to do that sort of development. and, yes, i know that many of the above topics are worthy of a lifetime of study in and off themselves, but a CS graduate should have at least some idea of what they are about... all IMO, songbird
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOYSZ-4oO-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201920 |
On 2018-10-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote: > P M wrote: > >> Hey, this is Piyush M. >> I am a computer science graduate from 2015. > > you were ripped off if you paid for that and the > institution which gave you that degree should be > discredited. > Are you familiar with the chemical properties of lemon juice and the latter's eventual interactions with CCTV technology when applied to the facial epidermis? -- When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. --Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOYT0-4oO-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201921 |
Hi. On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 01:30:12PM +0000, Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote: > > P M wrote: > > > >> Hey, this is Piyush M. > >> I am a computer science graduate from 2015. > > > > you were ripped off if you paid for that and the > > institution which gave you that degree should be > > discredited. > > > > Are you familiar with the chemical properties of lemon juice and the > latter's eventual interactions with CCTV technology when applied to the > facial epidermis? Hereby politely requesting translation to plain English. Reco
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 14:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOZ2F-4rT-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201922 |
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 04:38:53PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 01:30:12PM +0000, Curt wrote: > > On 2018-10-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote: > > > P M wrote: > > > > > >> Hey, this is Piyush M. > > >> I am a computer science graduate from 2015. > > > > > > you were ripped off if you paid for that and the > > > institution which gave you that degree should be > > > discredited. > > > > > > > Are you familiar with the chemical properties of lemon juice and the > > latter's eventual interactions with CCTV technology when applied to the > > facial epidermis? Someone decided that putting lemon juice on your face would render it unrecognizable to cameras. http://awesci.com/the-astonishingly-funny-story-of-mr-mcarthur-wheeler/ It's in the original Dunning-Kruger paper. -dsr-
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOZcm-4v4-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201924 |
Hi. On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 09:41:48AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 04:38:53PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 01:30:12PM +0000, Curt wrote: > > > On 2018-10-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote: > > > > P M wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hey, this is Piyush M. > > > >> I am a computer science graduate from 2015. > > > > > > > > you were ripped off if you paid for that and the > > > > institution which gave you that degree should be > > > > discredited. > > > > > > > > > > Are you familiar with the chemical properties of lemon juice and the > > > latter's eventual interactions with CCTV technology when applied to the > > > facial epidermis? > > Someone decided that putting lemon juice on your face would render it > unrecognizable to cameras. > > http://awesci.com/the-astonishingly-funny-story-of-mr-mcarthur-wheeler/ > > It's in the original Dunning-Kruger paper. Thanks. That's the debian-user's best quality - you learn something new every day ;) Reco
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOZcm-4v4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201922 |
On 2018-10-31, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 01:30:12PM +0000, Curt wrote: >> On 2018-10-31, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote: >> > P M wrote: >> > >> >> Hey, this is Piyush M. >> >> I am a computer science graduate from 2015. >> > >> > you were ripped off if you paid for that and the >> > institution which gave you that degree should be >> > discredited. >> > >> >> Are you familiar with the chemical properties of lemon juice and the >> latter's eventual interactions with CCTV technology when applied to the >> facial epidermis? > > Hereby politely requesting translation to plain English. I thought maybe songbird was an alias for McArthur Wheeler* and that I could kind of flush him out with a pointed question. *Failed bank robber and inspiration for the Dunning–Kruger effect (which would normally have been called the McArthur Wheeler effect if Dunning and Kruger hadn't suffered from it (i.e. the effect) themselves. > Reco > > -- When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. --Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wOYT0-4oO-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201920 |
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 08:17:13AM -0400, songbird wrote: > > > > The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in > > any computer language or any field of computer. > > my statement above is based upon this sentence... I went to a pretty good CS undergraduate program in the mid 1990s. It was fairly likely that a graduate would have most of the skills you listed... and it was also plausible that a barely-scraping-by graduate had none of them. One of the required senior level courses was a survey of currently interesting topics in the current market. It ended with presentations from each student on something that they had researched. A student prepared a discussion of artificial intelligence which did not mention any statistical techniques, neural networks, biology, expert systems, biology, or really, anything of actual interest. Much of the time was taken up by movie clips from The Lawnmower Man. The actual text was mostly about how scary AI is. I asked the only question in the Q&A afterwards: "Could you explain what the difference is between AI and VR?" Some stammering followed. It's not always the course or the professor that fails a student. -dsr-
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| From | Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wPhsC-75P-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201923 |
On Wednesday, 31 Oct 2018 at 09:39, Dan Ritter wrote: > It's not always the course or the professor that fails a > student. You can lead a horse to water... -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian 9.5
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| From | Neeraj Rawat <neerajrawat.com@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wPmiC-1rg-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201858 |
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Hi Piyush, If you are in restrictive environment then it is always good to specify the location so that people can help you with the resources, which you are not aware of. I can still understand that after doing CS, you are not well versed in any field of CS, but then you had to put extra efforts. At times, you need to put extra steps and there are many Linux institutes offering Linux courses everywhere. Though I am still waiting for some Debian certifications to launch. You are not working in Linux field then how do you know about everyone else? For any failed issue, you need to specify the error/message that appear on the screen then only troubleshooting comes into picture. However here is the step-by-step guide: http://www.expertsgalaxy.com/2015/05/debian-linux-installation-procedure.html Also if you search Google for best books/resources to learn Python and then read 5-10 articles, then atleast start something instead of waiting for that Perfect Guide. Microsoft is going OpenSource for quite long if you are not aware and recently purchased GIThub if you know what does that mean in the field of OpenSource. Search well and post the failed error message properly, while seeking help for any technical issue. Regards On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:47 PM P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, this is Piyush M. > I am a computer science graduate from 2015. > It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area > there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux > was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed > that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel > my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software. > Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic > and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is. > > The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in > any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong > connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming > language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to > learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India > don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no > guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since > last 9 years with only few improvements. > I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN. > I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and > experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me! > suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in > the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python? > Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and > LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the > way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be > done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2 > hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and > Linux. > My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux > for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many > claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and > productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this > also. > > I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to > have new experience. > I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get > my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as > possible. > > Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you > replied. >
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