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Help me Linux

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  Help me Linux P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 09:20 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-10-30 10:20 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux vipul kumar <finn98@protonmail.com> - 2018-10-30 11:00 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-30 11:20 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-30 11:40 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-30 13:00 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-10-30 13:40 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2018-10-30 16:10 +0100
        Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-30 16:50 +0100
          Re: Help me Linux Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2018-10-30 23:10 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2018-10-30 14:30 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2018-10-30 14:40 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 15:40 +0100
        Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 16:00 +0100
          Re: Help me Linux Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 16:30 +0100
            Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 17:50 +0100
              Re: Help me Linux Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2018-10-30 18:00 +0100
                Re: Help me Linux and now waaaay off topic Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
              Re: Help me Linux Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
                Re: Help me Linux Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-30 18:50 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2018-10-30 16:00 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-10-30 16:10 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-10-30 17:10 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-10-31 00:00 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-10-31 07:20 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-10-31 13:30 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
        Re: Help me Linux Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
          Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-31 14:50 +0100
            Re: Help me Linux Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100
          Re: Help me Linux Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-10-31 15:00 +0100
      Re: Help me Linux Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-31 14:40 +0100
        Re: Help me Linux Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-11-01 10:30 +0100
    Re: Help me Linux Neeraj Rawat <neerajrawat.com@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 15:40 +0100

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#201858 — Help me Linux

FromP M <xpresguru@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-30 09:20 +0100
SubjectHelp me Linux
Message-ID<wOxpL-4SK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>

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Hey, this is Piyush M.
I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area
there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux
was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed
that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel
my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic
and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.

The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in
any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong
connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming
language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to
learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India
don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no
guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since
last 9 years with only few improvements.
I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me!
suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in
the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python?
Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and
LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the
way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be
done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2
hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and
Linux.
My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux
for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many
claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and
productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this
also.

I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to have
new experience.
I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get
my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as
possible.

Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you
replied.

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#201860

Fromjohn doe <johndoe65534@mail.com>
Date2018-10-30 10:20 +0100
Message-ID<wOylP-5re-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858
On 10/30/2018 9:17 AM, P M wrote:
> Hey, this is Piyush M.
> I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
> It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area
> there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux
> was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed
> that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel
> my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
> Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic
> and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.
> 
> The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in
> any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong
> connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming
> language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to
> learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India
> don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no
> guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since
> last 9 years with only few improvements.
> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.

We can not help you if we do not know what error(s) you encountered.
Given that you're stuck on Windows you might consider virtualisation.

-- 
John Doe

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#201863

Fromvipul kumar <finn98@protonmail.com>
Date2018-10-30 11:00 +0100
Message-ID<wOyYy-5DE-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858

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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:47 PM, P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, this is Piyush M.
> I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
> It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
> Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.
>
> The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since last 9 years with only few improvements.
> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
> I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me! suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python? Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2 hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and Linux.
> My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this also.
>
> I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to have new experience.
> I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you replied.

If you're novice to Linux, this course ( https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-linux ) is worth considering. And if you're facing any error or problem then search for solution on internet (most of them are already asked by someone on stackexchange network or forums) or ask on mailing list if you're not getting any answer and make some friends who're using linux.

"I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY."
Anyone cannot help you until and unless you don't tell what's your problem.

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#201865

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-10-30 11:20 +0100
Message-ID<wOzhU-5Zt-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858

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as a CS graduate i think you have enough knowledge to install debian. it's said that installing debian is as easy as pressing Enter, that is, accepting default.  of course it's not 100% true. but it's really easy.

i suggest you download and make bootable and live CD. it allow you try linux without installing on hard disk. 

    On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:17 PM, P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hey, this is Piyush M.
I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.

The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since last 9 years with only few improvements.I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me! suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python? Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2 hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and Linux.
My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this also.

I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to have new experience.
I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as possible.

Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you replied. 


   

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#201866

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2018-10-30 11:40 +0100
Message-ID<wOzBf-65B-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858

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if you think MS Office and other commercial software are great, why try other alternative?
don't  judge software according to ideology, free isn't always better than commercial
in my experience libreoffice is better because it's free 

    On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:17 PM, P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hey, this is Piyush M.
I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.

The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since last 9 years with only few improvements.I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me! suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python? Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2 hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and Linux.
My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this also.

I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to have new experience.
I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as possible.

Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you replied. 


   

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#201870

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2018-10-30 13:00 +0100
Message-ID<wOAQF-6Ks-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:47:05PM +0530, P M wrote:
> 
> The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in
> any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong
> connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming
> language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to
> learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India
> don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no
> guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since
> last 9 years with only few improvements.

We all start at zero.

> I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
> experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me!
> suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in
> the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python?

You need to have a goal; something that you want to accomplish.
"Go further" is not a goal.

> way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be
> done. 

Everything that can be done with a computer, can be done with Linux.

> My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux
> for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many
> claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and
> productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this
> also.

People who have no experience doing a thing believe that the
thing is hard.

People who are used to doing things in a certain way tend to
believe that it is the only way, or the best way.

-dsr-

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#201871

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-10-30 13:40 +0100
Message-ID<wOBtn-7bZ-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201870
On 10/30/2018 06:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> People who are used to doing things in a certain way tend to
> believe that it is the only way, or the best way.

*ROFL* !
I've seen a tag line saying "Universal advice: Don't do that."

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#201887

FromFelmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
Date2018-10-30 16:10 +0100
Message-ID<wODOx-fW-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201870
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Dan Ritter wrote:

> People who have no experience doing a thing believe that the
> thing is hard.

for a different perspective, look up "Dunning-Kruger Effect."

-- 
Felmon Davis

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#201890

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2018-10-30 16:50 +0100
Message-ID<wOErg-s2-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201887
On 2018-10-30, Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
>> People who have no experience doing a thing believe that the
>> thing is hard.
>
> for a different perspective, look up "Dunning-Kruger Effect."
>

I did and I think Dunning and Kruger are probably the best examples of
their own eponymous syndrome, which was cleverly derived from the
seminal case of failed bank robber McArthur Wheeler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

 McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks with his face covered with lemon
 juice, which he believed would make it invisible to the surveillance
 cameras. This belief was based on his misunderstanding of the chemical
 properties of lemon juice...

Based on his misunderstanding of the chemical properties of lemon juice!

How do you say *canular* in English, anyway?

-- 
When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you
climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
--Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark

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#201913

FromFelmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
Date2018-10-30 23:10 +0100
Message-ID<wOKmZ-4aV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201890
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Curt wrote:

> On 2018-10-30, Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>
>>> People who have no experience doing a thing believe that the
>>> thing is hard.
>>
>> for a different perspective, look up "Dunning-Kruger Effect."
>>
>
> I did and I think Dunning and Kruger are probably the best examples of
> their own eponymous syndrome,

does this mean they don't know as much as they think they do?

> which was cleverly derived from the seminal case of failed bank 
> robber McArthur Wheeler.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>
> McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks with his face covered with lemon
> juice, which he believed would make it invisible to the surveillance
> cameras. This belief was based on his misunderstanding of the chemical
> properties of lemon juice...
>
> Based on his misunderstanding of the chemical properties of lemon juice!
>
> How do you say *canular* in English, anyway?

I think I know.

sounds like you think Dunning and Kruger are wearing lemon juice 
masks.

f.

-- 
Felmon Davis

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#201874

FromWill Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com>
Date2018-10-30 14:30 +0100
Message-ID<wOCfL-7Hd-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201858
> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
> I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
> experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux.  Please help me!

Studying <http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> will
help you interact more effectively here.  A translation into Hindi
is at <http://kntuniversity.org/how-to-ask-questions-the-smart-way/>.

> [...] there is no any alternative available in Linux
> for Corel draw [or] video editing software.

I wonder whether some of the problems you use those applications
to solve could be solved instead by coding Python scripts.  At
first the change in strategy would feel cognitively disruptive,
but eventually should become more powerful; compare switching from
composing a GUI layout with a visual tool to using Tkinter.pack().

We might have more specific ideas if we saw some examples
of the problems you use those applications to solve.

> [...] I can contribute 2 hours daily [...]

That should be enough for steady significant progress.

Full quote for reference:
* P M <xpresguru@gmail.com> [18-10/30=Tu 13:47 +0530]:
> Hey, this is Piyush M.
> I am a computer science graduate from 2015.
> It was 2009-10 when first time I heard about Linux. Although in my area
> there was only Microsoft but I managed to download Linux. My first Linux
> was ubuntu. I was very happy to see its function and its working. I enjoyed
> that time without having little knowledge about computer. Since then I feel
> my relationship with the Linux and open source and free software.
> Although right now I am using Windows but still I feel very enthusiastic
> and energetic with Linux; even I don't know what the reason is.
> 
> The reason for this mail is, I am not really very expert or well versed in
> any computer language or any field of computer. But I feel strong
> connection and relationship with Linux. I also love Python programming
> language. Despite of this love and attraction and affection I was unable to
> learn anything because I wasn't having enough time and we people in India
> don't have that much Linux craze and courses available. In short due to no
> guidance I was unable to do anything and I am on the same position since
> last 9 years with only few improvements.
> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY. I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
> I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
> experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux. Please help me!
> suggest me what can I do? how should I proceed? how should I go further in
> the field of Linux? and what can I do with and how to go further in python?
> Here everywhere Microsoft is going on and no response for open source and
> LINUX is there, so please help me to clear my understanding, broaden the
> way of my seeing. I need clear conception of what I can do and what can be
> done. As I mentioned there is no guidance I have here. I can contribute 2
> hours daily along with the job and daily schedule. My love is python and
> Linux.
> My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux
> for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many
> claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and
> productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this
> also.
> 
> I just have downloaded kde manjaro and soon install it on my laptop to have
> new experience.
> I can understand this is very lengthy mail but its really important to get
> my doubts cleared and my vision broadened. Please reply me as soon as
> possible.
> 
> Thanks for the time you spent on this mail. Will be happy to see you
> replied.

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#201875

FromCarl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com>
Date2018-10-30 14:40 +0100
Message-ID<wOCpr-7Kd-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201874
Pardon my jumping in late and piggybacking on Will's message.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 06:16:17AM -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:

> > [...] there is no any alternative available in Linux
> > for Corel draw [or] video editing software.
> 
> I wonder whether some of the problems you use those applications
> to solve could be solved instead by coding Python scripts.  At
> first the change in strategy would feel cognitively disruptive,
> but eventually should become more powerful; compare switching from
> composing a GUI layout with a visual tool to using Tkinter.pack().

There are both, though, for instance Inkscape and Cinelerra or avidemux. 

Piyush wrote:

> > My one more query is that there is no any alternative available in linux
> > for Corel draw, MS office, video editing software. Although there are many
> > claims of alternatives but the reality is harsh, they are not as simple and
> > productive as the windows software. Please clear my view regarding this
> > also.

As Will wrote, it depends on what you're trying to do. Can you say exactly
what you want to do, that the Linux applications can't do, or that are more
difficult with Linux tools? The FOSS philosophy says that if you find flaws in a
Free Software project, the polite and useful reaction is to report the issue
to the developers so that they can fix it.
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu 
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!

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#201883

FromRic Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-30 15:40 +0100
Message-ID<wODlv-8ir-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201874
On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER USED DEBIAN.
>> I believe whoever reading this mail is far more knowledgeable and
>> experienced than me and having good knowledge of Linux.  Please help me!

First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable 
problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line needs to 
be relevant to your problem for others after you to find it. Otherwise 
every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally only benefit for 
the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#201884

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2018-10-30 16:00 +0100
Message-ID<wODER-8pe-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201883
On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> >> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
> >> USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
> >> knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of
> >> Linux.  Please help me!
>
> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
> problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line needs
> to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find it.
> Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally only
> benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric

+1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.

One does need to be able to state the problem without it getting to the 
TL;DR category.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#201889

FromRic Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-30 16:30 +0100
Message-ID<wOE7T-m3-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201884
On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> 
>> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
>>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
>>>> USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
>>>> knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge of
>>>> Linux.  Please help me!
>>
>> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
>> problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line needs
>> to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find it.
>> Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally only
>> benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
>> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
>> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> 
> +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.


We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#201893

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2018-10-30 17:50 +0100
Message-ID<wOFnk-10D-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201889
On Tuesday 30 October 2018 11:20:28 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> >> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> >>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
> >>>> USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
> >>>> knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge
> >>>> of Linux.  Please help me!
> >>
> >> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
> >> problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line
> >> needs to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find
> >> it. Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally
> >> only benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
> >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> >> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> >
> > +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.
>
> We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric

Both of us, but at 84, I'm still walking, short distances anyway, usually 
with a stick though. But one Miller64 a day sure is hard on a would be 
alky. Is good bbq sauce still your downfall?

Sorry we ran off topic here folks, but I've known Ric for a lot longer 
than he's been subbed to _this_ list.  And we're almost neighbors, but 
the mountains get in the way. Mountains covered in roads laid out by a 
copperhead, with a sidewinder someplace in its dna. You can drive at the 
roads comfortable speed and get 12 mpg at 35 mph peak, or you can get in 
a hurry showing somebody how its done, and hit 50 mph at 3 mpg. BTDT, 
steering with the throttle.  Gas stations too far apart too, good thing 
that 83 ford 4wd pickup had dual tanks in 1986.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#201894

FromJude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
Date2018-10-30 18:00 +0100
Message-ID<wOFx0-13J-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201893
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:45:21
> From: Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Help me Linux
> Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Tuesday 30 October 2018 11:20:28 Ric Moore wrote:
>
> > On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> > >> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> > >>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
> > >>>> USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
> > >>>> knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge
> > >>>> of Linux.  Please help me!
> > >>
> > >> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
> > >> problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line
> > >> needs to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find
> > >> it. Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally
> > >> only benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
> > >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> > >> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> > >
> > > +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.
> >
> > We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric
>
> Both of us, but at 84, I'm still walking, short distances anyway, usually
> with a stick though. But one Miller64 a day sure is hard on a would be
> alky. Is good bbq sauce still your downfall?
>
> Sorry we ran off topic here folks, but I've known Ric for a lot longer
> than he's been subbed to _this_ list.  And we're almost neighbors, but
> the mountains get in the way. Mountains covered in roads laid out by a
> copperhead, with a sidewinder someplace in its dna. You can drive at the
> roads comfortable speed and get 12 mpg at 35 mph peak, or you can get in
> a hurry showing somebody how its done, and hit 50 mph at 3 mpg. BTDT,
> steering with the throttle.  Gas stations too far apart too, good thing
> that 83 ford 4wd pickup had dual tanks in 1986.
>
Based on the fact the producers of the Movie Titanic decided against
windows and chose and used gimp for their graphics work gimp can probably
eat corel draw's lunch and make corel draw like it.  Fortunately, lots of
youtube videos are available so checking these out can give you an idea
how effective gimp will be to cover your use cases.
Two of the apps I have on my iphone which may also be available on
android if you use android are mini cards and kahn academy.  One or both
may offer some help with mastering python.  Other python tutorial apps
exist on the iPhone as well some for small fees and some others for
larger fees.
I can't say what goes on on Android since I don't use that operating
system regularly enough to check these things out.

>

--

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#201896 — Re: Help me Linux and now waaaay off topic

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
SubjectRe: Help me Linux and now waaaay off topic
Message-ID<wOG02-1ss-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201894
On Tuesday 30 October 2018 12:55:14 Jude DaShiell wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:45:21
> > From: Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Help me Linux
> > Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC)
> > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >
> > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 11:20:28 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > >> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> > > >>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I
> > > >>>> NEVER USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far
> > > >>>> more knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good
> > > >>>> knowledge of Linux.  Please help me!
> > > >>
> > > >> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a
> > > >> searchable problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your
> > > >> subject line needs to be relevant to your problem for others
> > > >> after you to find it. Otherwise every plea for "Help me!"
> > > >> demands that you personally only benefit for the help given.
> > > >> Learn how to ask for help.
> > > >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> > > >> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> > > >
> > > > +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.
> > >
> > > We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric
> >
> > Both of us, but at 84, I'm still walking, short distances anyway,
> > usually with a stick though. But one Miller64 a day sure is hard on
> > a would be alky. Is good bbq sauce still your downfall?
> >
> > Sorry we ran off topic here folks, but I've known Ric for a lot
> > longer than he's been subbed to _this_ list.  And we're almost
> > neighbors, but the mountains get in the way. Mountains covered in
> > roads laid out by a copperhead, with a sidewinder someplace in its
> > dna. You can drive at the roads comfortable speed and get 12 mpg at
> > 35 mph peak, or you can get in a hurry showing somebody how its
> > done, and hit 50 mph at 3 mpg. BTDT, steering with the throttle. 
> > Gas stations too far apart too, good thing that 83 ford 4wd pickup
> > had dual tanks in 1986.
>
> Based on the fact the producers of the Movie Titanic decided against
> windows and chose and used gimp for their graphics work gimp can
> probably eat corel draw's lunch and make corel draw like it. 
> Fortunately, lots of youtube videos are available so checking these
> out can give you an idea how effective gimp will be to cover your use
> cases.
> Two of the apps I have on my iphone which may also be available on
> android if you use android are mini cards and kahn academy.  One or
> both may offer some help with mastering python.  Other python tutorial
> apps exist on the iPhone as well some for small fees and some others
> for larger fees.
> I can't say what goes on on Android since I don't use that operating
> system regularly enough to check these things out.

A word to those wise enough:

Good thing to stay away from, anything running android. One of their 
apps, Samsung-Pay who apparently wants to be a paypal, is who phished me 
on my landline 3 weeks ago, forceing me to stop that card and get a new 
one.  They already knew _everything_ but the 3 digit number on the back 
of the card! Fortunately, I was quick enough they didn't get anything.

>
> --



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#201897

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2018-10-30 18:30 +0100
Message-ID<wOG02-1ss-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201893
On Tue 30 Oct 2018 at 12:45:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 30 October 2018 11:20:28 Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> > On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> > >> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> > >>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I NEVER
> > >>>> USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far more
> > >>>> knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good knowledge
> > >>>> of Linux.  Please help me!
> > >>
> > >> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a searchable
> > >> problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your subject line
> > >> needs to be relevant to your problem for others after you to find
> > >> it. Otherwise every plea for "Help me!" demands that you personally
> > >> only benefit for the help given. Learn how to ask for help.
> > >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> > >> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> > >
> > > +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.
> >
> > We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric
> 
> Both of us, but at 84, I'm still walking, short distances anyway, usually 
> with a stick though. But one Miller64 a day sure is hard on a would be 
> alky. Is good bbq sauce still your downfall?
> 
> Sorry we ran off topic here folks, but I've known Ric for a lot longer 
> than he's been subbed to _this_ list.  And we're almost neighbors, but 
> the mountains get in the way. Mountains covered in roads laid out by a 
> copperhead, with a sidewinder someplace in its dna. You can drive at the 
> roads comfortable speed and get 12 mpg at 35 mph peak, or you can get in 
> a hurry showing somebody how its done, and hit 50 mph at 3 mpg. BTDT, 
> steering with the throttle.  Gas stations too far apart too, good thing 
> that 83 ford 4wd pickup had dual tanks in 1986.

You are incorrigible!

Please do not take this as encouragement to post further off-topic.
Still, I have learnt a lot from your posts - mainly in the "how not
to do it" category. :)

Cheers,

Brian.

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#201900

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2018-10-30 18:50 +0100
Message-ID<wOGjn-1yX-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#201897
On Tuesday 30 October 2018 13:29:24 Brian wrote:

> On Tue 30 Oct 2018 at 12:45:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 11:20:28 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 30 October 2018 10:37:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> > > >> On 10/30/18 9:16 AM, Will Mengarini wrote:
> > > >>>> I TRIED TO INSTALL DEBIAN MANY TIMES BUT FAILED BADLY.  I
> > > >>>> NEVER USED DEBIAN. I believe whoever reading this mail is far
> > > >>>> more knowledgeable and experienced than me and having good
> > > >>>> knowledge of Linux.  Please help me!
> > > >>
> > > >> First, the entire notion of an email list is to have a
> > > >> searchable problem which leads to a "SOLVED" resolution. Your
> > > >> subject line needs to be relevant to your problem for others
> > > >> after you to find it. Otherwise every plea for "Help me!"
> > > >> demands that you personally only benefit for the help given.
> > > >> Learn how to ask for help.
> > > >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask
> > > >> ...otherwise you are wasting the list resources. Ric
> > > >
> > > > +1. From one of the lists more prolific offenders, me.
> > >
> > > We;; you have been "grandfathered" in! Ric
> >
> > Both of us, but at 84, I'm still walking, short distances anyway,
> > usually with a stick though. But one Miller64 a day sure is hard on
> > a would be alky. Is good bbq sauce still your downfall?
> >
> > Sorry we ran off topic here folks, but I've known Ric for a lot
> > longer than he's been subbed to _this_ list.  And we're almost
> > neighbors, but the mountains get in the way. Mountains covered in
> > roads laid out by a copperhead, with a sidewinder someplace in its
> > dna. You can drive at the roads comfortable speed and get 12 mpg at
> > 35 mph peak, or you can get in a hurry showing somebody how its
> > done, and hit 50 mph at 3 mpg. BTDT, steering with the throttle. 
> > Gas stations too far apart too, good thing that 83 ford 4wd pickup
> > had dual tanks in 1986.
>
> You are incorrigible!
>
And at times proud of it.

> Please do not take this as encouragement to post further off-topic.
> Still, I have learnt a lot from your posts - mainly in the "how not
> to do it" category. :)

But they can be very educational too, if one is willing to try. But thats 
up to you.

> Cheers,
>
> Brian.



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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