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| Started by | Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-13 10:50 +0200 |
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Upset with debian performance Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:50 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> - 2018-10-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-10-14 10:30 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> - 2018-10-13 11:20 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-10-13 11:50 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> - 2018-10-13 13:40 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 14:00 +0200
Re: Upset with debian performance Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:10 +0200
| From | Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 10:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Upset with debian performance |
| Message-ID | <wInMt-3MC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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To anyone with an exceptional understanding of the debian OS (mainly directed to Developers) I am quite upset with the performance I have been getting from my debian system since I have downloaded it. I will try to explain in as much detail as I can so if it is possible someone might be able to change my mind and make me keep debian as my daily driver then it might happen. I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream it would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to check and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera behaved the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed discord to the system when i would scroll in the discord chats. To rule out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works great with all my other systems so that is not the isssue. The second biggest problem with debian is the audio control. I have written about this before about a week ago when i was still trying to have hope and configure everything and since ive installed AMD firmware and the drivers it has gone down a lot but it still will make the awful hissing noise i complained about before (i will put this description at the bottom of this email for anyone who did not see my email a week ago about that problem) as I work a lot with music production and video streaming These problems are major for me and are making me think of just giving up and switching to Manjaro. I still think Debian is a solid OS but from what I am witnessing it seems If i am very concerned with perfect audio for music recording and streaming videos with no glitching then maybe debian is not meant for what I need and i should switch to something more modern and aimed at being used as an every day system like Manjaro? Here is the USB audio problem I am having: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/terrible-audio-problems-4175640263/ Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
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| From | Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 11:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wInW9-3PQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201189 |
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Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 13, 2018 4:48 AM, Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> wrote: > To anyone with an exceptional understanding of the debian OS (mainly directed to Developers) > > I am quite upset with the performance I have been getting from my debian system since I have downloaded it. I will try to explain in as much detail as I can so if it is possible someone might be able to change my mind and make me keep debian as my daily driver then it might happen. > > I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream it would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to check and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera behaved the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed discord to the system when i would scroll in the discord chats. To rule out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works great with all my other systems so that is not the isssue. > > The second biggest problem with debian is the audio control. I have written about this before about a week ago when i was still trying to have hope and configure everything and since ive installed AMD firmware and the drivers it has gone down a lot but it still will make the awful hissing noise i complained about before (i will put this description at the bottom of this email for anyone who did not see my email a week ago about that problem) > > as I work a lot with music production and video streaming These problems are major for me and are making me think of just giving up and switching to Manjaro. > > I still think Debian is a solid OS but from what I am witnessing it seems If i am very concerned with perfect audio for music recording and streaming videos with no glitching then maybe debian is not meant for what I need and i should switch to something more modern and aimed at being used as an every day system like Manjaro? > > Here is the USB audio problem I am having: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/terrible-audio-problems-4175640263/ > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > !!!!!!!!! update forgot to add: My hardware is: Gigabyte 970a-ud3p 500 GB 72000 RPM drive Amd r9 380 graphics card 8 gb RAM amd fx 63000 processor
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-14 10:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIJWF-6l-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201190 |
On 10/13/18 1:56 AM, Mask The Truth God wrote:
> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 4:48 AM, Mask The Truth God <maskthetruthgod@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To anyone with an exceptional understanding of the debian OS (mainly directed to Developers)
>>
>> I am quite upset with the performance I have been getting from my debian system since I have downloaded it. I will try to explain in as much detail as I can so if it is possible someone might be able to change my mind and make me keep debian as my daily driver then it might happen.
>>
>> I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream it would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to check and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera behaved the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed discord to the system when i would scroll in the discord chats. To rule out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works great with all my other systems so that is not the isssue.
>>
>> The second biggest problem with debian is the audio control. I have written about this before about a week ago when i was still trying to have hope and configure everything and since ive installed AMD firmware and the drivers it has gone down a lot but it still will make the awful hissing noise i complained about before (i will put this description at the bottom of this email for anyone who did not see my email a week ago about that problem)
>>
>> as I work a lot with music production and video streaming These problems are major for me and are making me think of just giving up and switching to Manjaro.
>>
>> I still think Debian is a solid OS but from what I am witnessing it seems If i am very concerned with perfect audio for music recording and streaming videos with no glitching then maybe debian is not meant for what I need and i should switch to something more modern and aimed at being used as an every day system like Manjaro?
>>
>> Here is the USB audio problem I am having: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/terrible-audio-problems-4175640263/
>>
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>> !!!!!!!!! update forgot to add:
>
> My hardware is:
>
> Gigabyte 970a-ud3p
> 500 GB 72000 RPM drive
> Amd r9 380 graphics card
> 8 gb RAM
> amd fx 63000 processor
I have been building my own desktop/ workstation computers for 20+
years. The ones with Intel motherboards have had the fewest hardware
and software failures under Windows, Linux, and BSD. (Unfortunately,
Intel does not make desktop boards any more, so my future builds will
need to use Intel server boards.)
For laptops, I've had good luck with Dell; both for software
compatibility and for hardware documentation/ service manuals.
Building a Linux multimedia workstation is an uncertain proposition. If
you start with Debian stable and add just a few packages, it should
work. I watch YouTube videos daily on Debian Stable, Xfce, and Firefox
Quantum; all is well. But, whenever I've tried to build a multimedia
workstation with many packages on Debian Stable using official Debian
Stable packages, I have found both that the multimedia tools are dated,
lacking features, and buggy and that the system becomes unstable.
"Planet CCRMA at home" appears to offer more recent packages and more
extensive integration testing:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
I seem to recall that the last time I tried it on a ~2007 Dell laptop,
the hardware was inadequate.
All of the above assumes you are willing to invest countless hours
building and maintaining a Linux multimedia workstation.
But, to be blunt, if you would rather spend your time *using* a
multimedia workstation, the obvious solution is to buy Windows (or a
Mac) and the commercial packages for whatever niches you want to work in.
David
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| From | Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIofw-4bs-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201189 |
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Dear Mask, On 13/10/18 12:48, Mask The Truth God wrote: > To anyone with an exceptional understanding of the debian OS (mainly directed to Developers) this is a User list. > > I am quite upset with the performance I have been getting from my debian system since I have downloaded it. I will try to explain in as much detail as I can so if it is possible someone might be able to change my mind and make me keep debian as my daily driver then it might happen. > > I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream it would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to check and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera behaved the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed discord to the system when i would scroll > in the discord chats. To rule out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works great with all my other systems so that is not the isssue. > > The second biggest problem with debian is the audio control. I have written about this before about a week ago when i was still trying to have hope and configure everything and since ive installed AMD firmware and the drivers it has gone down a lot but it still will make the awful hissing noise i complained about before (i will put this description at the bottom of this email for anyone who did not see my email a week ago about that problem) > > as I work a lot with music production and video streaming These problems are major for me and are making me think of just giving up and switching to Manjaro. Feel free to submit relevant bug reports to the package maintainers, or event far better to provide patches to fix the issues. > > I still think Debian is a solid OS but from what I am witnessing it seems If i am very concerned with perfect audio for music recording and streaming videos with no glitching then maybe debian is not meant for what I need and i should switch to something more modern and aimed at being used as an every day system like Manjaro? Feel fre to switch. > > > Here is the USB audio problem I am having: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/terrible-audio-problems-4175640263/ > > > Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email. > Cheers, Jerome (unmasked) -- Jerome BENOIT | calculus+at-rezozer^dot*net https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=calculus@rezozer.net AE28 AE15 710D FF1D 87E5 A762 3F92 19A6 7F36 C68B
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIoIy-4kB-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201191 |
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 12:55:47 +0400 Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> wrote: > Dear Mask, > > > this is a User list. > > > Feel free to submit relevant bug reports to the package maintainers, > or event far better to provide patches to fix the issues. > Dear Jerome, This is a user list. I've dabbled with programming for forty-five years, and written a few bits of firmware for PIC microcontrollers. I'll submit bug reports, and I have submitted quite a few, but I would not feel qualified to write code for Debian. Particularly in C, which I haven't touched for at least twenty years. It is unsafe to assume that all Debian *users* are professional C programmers. -- Joe
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| From | Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 13:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIqr0-5od-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201192 |
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Dear Joe, On 13/10/18 13:46, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 12:55:47 +0400 > Jerome BENOIT <calculus@rezozer.net> wrote: > >> Dear Mask, >> > >> >> this is a User list. >> > >> >> Feel free to submit relevant bug reports to the package maintainers, >> or event far better to provide patches to fix the issues. >> > > Dear Jerome, > > This is a user list. I understood that. > > I've dabbled with programming for forty-five years, and written a few > bits of firmware for PIC microcontrollers. I'll submit bug reports, and > I have submitted quite a few, but I would not feel qualified to write > code for Debian. Particularly in C, which I haven't touched for at > least twenty years. It is unsafe to assume that all Debian *users* are > professional C programmers. I understand that that all Debian users are not familiar with C, hence the `even better' (that I understood as a possibility: `if you can do it (time+skill+...), please do it'). Anyway, good bug reports at the relevant place are better that complains at the wrong place. I also understand that the issue with FireFox in Stable is recent (and came from security): please give a chance to the involved maintainers to fix it. The issue bother me too, BTW. Cheers, Jerome > -- Jerome BENOIT | calculus+at-rezozer^dot*net https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=calculus@rezozer.net AE28 AE15 710D FF1D 87E5 A762 3F92 19A6 7F36 C68B
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 14:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIqKm-5uw-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201189 |
Mask The Truth God wrote: > I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it > at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and > installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got > everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up > firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came > about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream it > would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around > along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with > the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are > glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i > scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to check > and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera behaved > the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed > discord to the system when i would scroll in the discord chats. To rule > out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works great > with all my other systems so that is not the isssue. > Did you try with firefox downloaded directly from mozilla? Did you try it with fresh user? regards
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| From | Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wIvAl-4W-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #201194 |
On 10/13/18, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Mask The Truth God wrote: > >> I just got done doing a fresh install of debian 9.5 stable, I enjoyed it >> at first and then followed instructions from long time debian users and >> installed all of the necessary drivers and firmware ect.... after i got >> everything installed it seemed to be working great untill I started up >> firefox. This was one of the first major performance problems that came >> about. Every time i would watch a youtube video or view a twitch stream >> it >> would work for a second but then the video would glitch and skip around >> along with audio glitching from seconds ago repeating itself. (more with >> the live streams on twitch than the youtube videos but they still are >> glitchy too but not as much as the twtich) Also in firefox every time i >> scroll firefox would be laggy and choppy. I then installed Opera to >> check >> and see if it was possibly caused by a corrupted firefox and opera >> behaved >> the exact same. The same choppy scrolling also happened when I installed >> discord to the system when i would scroll in the discord chats. To rule >> out the obvious here I have a well tested eithernet cable that works >> great >> with all my other systems so that is not the isssue. >> > > Did you try with firefox downloaded directly from mozilla? > Did you try it with fresh user? When Firefox Quantum first came out, I gave it a shot. Total fail. It wouldn't even work to the point where it had a chance to eat up 6GB of computer memory AND freeze my setup the way firefox-esr does/did. You all chatted up Quantum on Debian-User about a month ago so I tried it again out of pure boredom. :) $ free -m total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 5905 3586 420 80 1899 1948 Swap: 2999 1977 1022 That's what I'm looking at right now. In my usage experience, those numbers are AWESOME especially since it's been heavily used well over 24 hours straight now. In recent past weeks, those numbers would read something like 100MB free for "Mem" and maybe 89MB free for "Swap". For more perspective, that would be the numbers after having already restarted the browser at least once during this same time period. TONS of webpages and websites visited. Over 730+ tabs still open and waiting, if not having already been visited. It's the visited and thus still actively "breathing" part that takes the bigger byte out of memory *for me*. As for/to using Quantum, it's what's on the front page if one blindly surfs over to Mozilla with no previous knowledge or expectations. I've read in a few places that Quantum's the inevitable in the same way chatter says flash is on the way out the door and Buster is the soon-to-be Stable. I just tried to visit https://www.mozilla.org/ in hopes of sharing the most internationally-friendly URI possible. Didn't happen. The page understandably redirects to US English in my case: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ After some slashdot feeling slowdowns that took multiple page reloadings to work, I eventually maneuvered over to the following page as a natural order of surfing through after that first prominent download button: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ This is Quantum's expressed "roadmap": https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap Sharing the roadmap as an afterthought FYI. It was the first thing anywhere *online* that verified the version I'm using actually is Quantum. Took a while to find that. It's my current, maybe four weeks' experience that Quantum *is* a different product from its predecessors. And, yes, you *can* find the version by clicking the "hamburger" menu > Help > About Firefox. Glass half full in momentarily forgetting that super easy, nearly universal route is that Quantum's roadmap wouldn't be sitting, breathing in yet another open tab waiting for its turn to be read. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
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