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  utilities Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-25 11:20 +0200
    Re: utilities mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 11:50 +0200
      Re: utilities Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-25 12:10 +0200
    Re: utilities "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-25 11:50 +0200
      Re: utilities Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-25 12:00 +0200
        Re: utilities Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-25 14:40 +0200
    Re: utilities Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> - 2018-09-25 13:30 +0200
    Re: utilities Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2018-09-25 14:20 +0200
      Re: utilities Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-25 17:00 +0200
        Re: utilities David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-25 17:40 +0200
    Re: utilities Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 16:00 +0200

#200576 — utilities

Hi!
Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what else?

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#200577

On 2018-09-25 10:08, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
> Hi!
> Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in
> Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd,
> sha256sum,......what else?

have a look in /usr/bin  ?

mick

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Key ID    4BFEBB31

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#200581

are you sure this is the place? there's some programs that I listed for example and use.

25.09.2018, 12:48, "mick crane" <mick.crane@gmail.com>:
> On 2018-09-25 10:08, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
>>  Hi!
>>  Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in
>>  Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd,
>>  sha256sum,......what else?
>
> have a look in /usr/bin ?
>
> mick
>
> --
> Key ID 4BFEBB31

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#200578

Hi,

Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
> Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?

If this is a trick question: Good one. It makes me think.

A standard utility is supposed to be installed often. The popularity of
Debian packages is ranked at

  https://popcon.debian.org/by_inst

A package may contain more than one utility (e.g. "coreutils") or none at
all (e.g. "libpam-modules").
File lists of binary packages are at
  https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/"$package_name"/filelist
See for example
  https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/coreutils/filelist
  https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpam-modules/filelist


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#200579

no trick to be honest

25.09.2018, 12:46, "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>:
> Hi,
>
> Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
>>  Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?
>
> If this is a trick question: Good one. It makes me think.
>
> A standard utility is supposed to be installed often. The popularity of
> Debian packages is ranked at
>
>   https://popcon.debian.org/by_inst
>
> A package may contain more than one utility (e.g. "coreutils") or none at
> all (e.g. "libpam-modules").
> File lists of binary packages are at
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/"$package_name"/filelist
> See for example
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/coreutils/filelist
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpam-modules/filelist
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas

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#200592

On 2018-09-25, Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> wrote:
> no trick to be honest
>

The expression "standard utilities" seems to have thrown people
for a minor loop.

Me being naturally loopy to begin with, I navigated the treacherous semantic
waters of your inquiry with my usual aplomb.

I would consider the package 'coreutils,' containing "the basic file, shell
and text manipulation utilities which are expected to exist on every operating
system," as representing "standard utilities" in a sane and good faith (but
perhaps too restrictive) understanding of the phrase.

The list of these utilities is short enough to include here:

 arch base64 basename cat chcon chgrp chmod chown chroot cksum comm cp
 csplit cut date dd df dir dircolors dirname du echo env expand expr
 factor false flock fmt fold groups head hostid id install join link ln
 logname ls md5sum mkdir mkfifo mknod mktemp mv nice nl nohup nproc numfmt
 od paste pathchk pinky pr printenv printf ptx pwd readlink realpath rm
 rmdir runcon sha*sum seq shred sleep sort split stat stty sum sync tac
 tail tee test timeout touch tr true truncate tsort tty uname unexpand
 uniq unlink users vdir wc who whoami yes

I think they live primarily (if not exclusively) in /bin/ and /usr/bin.
I note that some of these apps I've never heard of in my life.

  ptx - produce a permuted index of file contents

Produce a permuted index. I wonder if I would want to do that any time soon
(I might if I knew what the hell a permuted index was).

This page may be of interest to you (the whys of what goes where in the
Debian file hierarchy):

https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard

Having reached this point I believe I've forgotten exactly what your question
was to begin with. Sorry if I'm off target (or late, or both).

-- 
“An oak is a tree. A rose is a flower. A deer is an animal. A sparrow is a
bird. Russia is our fatherland. Death is inevitable.” Russian school book.

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#200587

is that what ls -l /bin needs?

25.09.2018, 12:08, "Thakur Mahashaya" <thmsh@yandex.ru>:
> Hi!
> Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what else?

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#200589

On 9/25/18 2:08 AM, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
> Hi!
> Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what else?
> 

I took a peek at /usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc, and this is
what I see:

Task: standard
Description: standard system utilities
 This task sets up a basic user environment, providing a reasonably
 small selection of services and tools usable on the command line.
Packages: standard
Section: user
Test-new-install: mark skip

The standard system utilities task installs the package "standard"

But apparently when I try to get details on this package:

matthew@matt-tower:~$ apt show standard
N: Unable to locate package standard
N: Unable to locate package standard
E: No packages found

So I'm a little confused too.

Running tasksel on a running system, and I don't see an option for
standard system utilities etiher.

Maybe this is a bug in the installer?

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#200603

On Tue 25 Sep 2018 at 12:11:56 +0000, Matthew Crews wrote:

> On 9/25/18 2:08 AM, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what else?
> > 
> 
> I took a peek at /usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc, and this is
> what I see:
> 
> Task: standard
> Description: standard system utilities
>  This task sets up a basic user environment, providing a reasonably
>  small selection of services and tools usable on the command line.
> Packages: standard

Note the plural. This is not a package name but an instruction (for
want of a better word) to the installer to install packages of standard
priority.

> Section: user
> Test-new-install: mark skip
> 
> The standard system utilities task installs the package "standard"

No. See above.
 
> But apparently when I try to get details on this package:
> 
> matthew@matt-tower:~$ apt show standard
> N: Unable to locate package standard
> N: Unable to locate package standard
> E: No packages found
> 
> So I'm a little confused too.
> 
> Running tasksel on a running system, and I don't see an option for
> standard system utilities etiher.
> 
> Maybe this is a bug in the installer?

A guess: searching an installer image for Priority: standard packages
is quick. Searching the archives isn't.

-- 
Brian.

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#200605

On Tue 25 Sep 2018 at 15:56:11 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Tue 25 Sep 2018 at 12:11:56 +0000, Matthew Crews wrote:
> > On 9/25/18 2:08 AM, Thakur Mahashaya wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget, apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what else?

> > Running tasksel on a running system, and I don't see an option for
> > standard system utilities etiher.
> > 
> > Maybe this is a bug in the installer?
> 
> A guess: searching an installer image for Priority: standard packages
> is quick. Searching the archives isn't.

I've been deleting this thread as a likely troll, but I always check
your posts. Sorry to attach at random. Anyway, here's where the
phrase "standard system utilities" occurs in the debian-installer. As
you see, it's what I always install myself before adding the next ~200
packages from a script (plus a heap of fonts).

  ┌───────────────────────────┤ [!] Software selection ├────────────────────────────┐   
  │                                                                                 │   
  │ At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system     │   
  │ to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following           │   
  │ predefined collections of software.                                             │   
  │                                                                                 │   
  │ Choose software to install:                                                     │   
  │                                                                                 │   
  │                          [ ] Debian desktop environment                         │   
  │                          [ ] ... GNOME                                          │   
  │                          [ ] ... Xfce                                           │   
  │                          [ ] ... KDE                                            │   
  │                          [ ] ... Cinnamon                                       │   
  │                          [ ] ... MATE                                           │   
  │                          [ ] ... LXDE                                           │   
  │                          [ ] web server                                         │   
  │                          [*] print server                                       │   
  │                          [*] SSH server                                         │   
  │                          [*] standard system utilities                          │   
  │                                                                                 │   
  │                                   <Continue>                                    │   
  │                                                                                 │   
  └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘   

Cheers,
David.

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#200600

On 9/25/18, Thakur Mahashaya <thmsh@yandex.ru> wrote:
> Hi!
> Please tell me what is the list of standard utilities in Debian?....wget,
> apt, curl, transport-https, sources.list, man, dd, sha256sum,......what
> else?


I saw everyone else's great responses. Dissecting a debootstrap
encounter comes to mind for me. That would give an idea of the
extremely base set that is needed/necessary to get the party started
(on regular occasion)...

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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