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  calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-23 22:30 +0200
    Re: calibre ebook project? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-09-24 08:00 +0200
      Re: calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-24 16:40 +0200
        Re: calibre ebook project? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-09-24 17:20 +0200
          Re: calibre ebook project? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-24 18:00 +0200
        Re: calibre ebook project? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-24 19:50 +0200
          Re: calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-24 20:00 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 20:20 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 21:10 +0200
              Re: calibre ebook project? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-09-24 21:20 +0200
              Re: calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-24 21:40 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-24 21:20 +0200
          Re: calibre ebook project? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-24 20:40 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-24 22:10 +0200
              Re: calibre ebook project? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-26 11:20 +0200
        Re: calibre ebook project? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-09-24 22:10 +0200
          Re: calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-25 02:20 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-09-25 03:30 +0200
          Re: calibre ebook project? Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2018-09-25 20:30 +0200
            Re: calibre ebook project? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-25 21:00 +0200
              Re: calibre ebook project? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 21:10 +0200
                Re: calibre ebook project? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-25 21:20 +0200
                  OT: The vagaries of English [Was: Re: calibre ebook project? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-09-26 13:10 +0200
                    Re: OT: The vagaries of English [Was: Re: calibre ebook project? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-26 13:50 +0200
      Re: calibre ebook project? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-24 16:40 +0200
        Re: calibre ebook project? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2018-09-24 17:10 +0200

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#200515 — calibre ebook project?

Hi folks,
Very very simple question.
Does anyone on this list either  contribute to the calibre  ebook program 
project, or take part in their discussion forum?
I am trying to contact someone with the forum, because I cannot create an 
account due to the image verification.  even the contact form uses one, 
after stating you can contact them if having issues creating an account.
My goal is a human with information.
Feel free to write  privately  as I doubt other than the program  being a 
Linux one my question will interest few others.
Thanks,
Karen

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#200528

On 9/23/2018 10:22 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Very very simple question.
> Does anyone on this list either  contribute to the calibre  ebook
> program project, or take part in their discussion forum?
> I am trying to contact someone with the forum, because I cannot create
> an account due to the image verification.  even the contact form uses
> one, after stating you can contact them if having issues creating an
> account.
> My goal is a human with information.
> Feel free to write  privately  as I doubt other than the program  being
> a Linux one my question will interest few others.
>

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sendmessage.php

HTH.

-- 
John Doe

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#200539

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ROFL!
ahem...yes I have that link.
However as pointed out in my question, I need a human because creating an 
account  requires an image verification which I cannot solve.  So does 
their   contact form.
so... the goal is a real functional e-mail address  instead.
Oh and before  I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work 
around the  captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.
Thanks for the giggle!
Kare




On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, john doe wrote:

> On 9/23/2018 10:22 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Very very simple question.
>> Does anyone on this list either  contribute to the calibre  ebook
>> program project, or take part in their discussion forum?
>> I am trying to contact someone with the forum, because I cannot create
>> an account due to the image verification.  even the contact form uses
>> one, after stating you can contact them if having issues creating an
>> account.
>> My goal is a human with information.
>> Feel free to write  privately  as I doubt other than the program  being
>> a Linux one my question will interest few others.
>>
>
> https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sendmessage.php
>
> HTH.
>
> -- 
> John Doe
>
>

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#200544

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On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>ROFL!
>ahem...yes I have that link.
>However as pointed out in my question, I need a human because creating 
>an account  requires an image verification which I cannot solve.  So 
>does their   contact form.
>so... the goal is a real functional e-mail address  instead.
>Oh and before  I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work 
>around the  captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.
>Thanks for the giggle!
>Kare
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, john doe wrote:
>
>>On 9/23/2018 10:22 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>Hi folks,
>>>Very very simple question.
>>>Does anyone on this list either  contribute to the calibre  ebook
>>>program project, or take part in their discussion forum?
>>>I am trying to contact someone with the forum, because I cannot create
>>>an account due to the image verification.  even the contact form uses
>>>one, after stating you can contact them if having issues creating an
>>>account.
>>>My goal is a human with information.
>>>Feel free to write  privately  as I doubt other than the program  being
>>>a Linux one my question will interest few others.
>>>
>>
>>https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sendmessage.php
>>
>>HTH.
>>
>>-- 
>>John Doe
>>
>>

Calibre's upstream site is calibre-book.com. The author's personal 
website is kovidgoyal.net.

While it's not mandatory, it's best practice for certain well-known 
email addresses to be accessible for each domain. Therefore you could 
try blasting an email to hostmaster@... webmaster@... and postmaster@... 
for each of those domains and hope that at least one of them reaches Mr 
Goyal.

-- 
For more information, please reread.

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#200547

On Monday, 24 Sep 2018 at 16:16, Darac Marjal wrote:

[...]

> While it's not mandatory, it's best practice for certain well-known
> email addresses to be accessible for each domain. Therefore you could
> try blasting an email to hostmaster@... webmaster@... and
> postmaster@... for each of those domains and hope that at least one of
> them reaches Mr Goyal.

His blog actually says to use webmaster@... .  In any case, the OP
wanted to contact the forum, not Mr Goyal, I believe.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid

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On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work around the
> captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option. 

So, now that you've acquired a satisfactory agent, I will take the
conversation a step further. Evidently, now, it's not so much
that you are unable to use the captcha widget, but that you are
choosing to work around it.

You're up to something. What is your real agenda?


-- 
Fraught with portent

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#200553

what agenda?
I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a 
position  to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself 
because  their particular human verification processes could not be used 
by me...there is no agenda.  Why should there be one?



On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Bob Bernstein wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work around the
>> captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.
>
> So, now that you've acquired a satisfactory agent, I will take the
> conversation a step further. Evidently, now, it's not so much
> that you are unable to use the captcha widget, but that you are
> choosing to work around it.
>
> You're up to something. What is your real agenda?
>
>
> -- 
> Fraught with portent
>

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#200554

On 9/24/18, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
> what agenda?
> I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a
> position  to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself
> because  their particular human verification processes could not be used
> by me...there is no agenda.  Why should there be one?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Bob Bernstein wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>
>>> I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work around the
>>> captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.
>>
>> So, now that you've acquired a satisfactory agent, I will take the
>> conversation a step further. Evidently, now, it's not so much
>> that you are unable to use the captcha widget, but that you are
>> choosing to work around it.
>>
>> You're up to something. What is your real agenda?


My interpretation is there was a miscommunication moment there. Karen
was saying some kindly folks had written offline as she had originally
suggested. *They*, the kindly folks, had offered her one or more ways
to get around the *inaccessible*/unusable captcha.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#200561

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Karen Lewellen
<klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
> I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a position
> to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself because  their
> particular human verification processes could not be used by me.

If you can not pass the human verification process you must be a robot!

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#200563

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 09:04:24PM +0200, Anders Andersson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Karen Lewellen
> <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a position
> > to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself because  their
> > particular human verification processes could not be used by me.
> 
> If you can not pass the human verification process you must be a robot!

I would welcome the participation of robots on mailing list discussions
who are at least as interesting as the 50th percentile of human
entrants.

-dsr-

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#200569

Lol!
Oh but if it were only that simple.
The w3c,
www.w3c.org/wai
Provides  resources articles, even research on recapture that outlines 
some of the many many many reasons  why an image verification test to 
establish  humanity presents problems.
They frown upon the practice, especially as there are other ways to 
accomplish the same goal  that are both more secure and more inclusive.
But that is an entirely different discussion.
Karen



On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Anders Andersson wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Karen Lewellen
> <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
>> I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a position
>> to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself because  their
>> particular human verification processes could not be used by me.
>
> If you can not pass the human verification process you must be a robot!
>
>

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#200562

On Mon 24 Sep 2018 at 13:53:58 (-0400), Karen Lewellen wrote:
> what agenda?
> I do not even follow this logic because beyond reaching humans in a
> position  to assist me in joining a forum that I could not join myself
> because  their particular human verification processes could not be
> used by me...there is no agenda.  Why should there be one?

If they knew that you could not see the captcha images (which are
unlikely to have audio descriptions attached), they might realise
that you're not just some spammer looking for a way to avoid captcha.
Unfortunately, we live in an age of bots etc. which makes people
suspicious of motives.

> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Bob Bernstein wrote: 
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > 
> > > [Oh and before] I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work around the
> > > captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.

I assume some people have said "get a friend to help you".
Sorry if that isn't an option. I hope Darac's suggestion
achieves more.

> > So, now that you've acquired a satisfactory agent, I will take the
> > conversation a step further. Evidently, now, it's not so much
> > that you are unable to use the captcha widget, but that you are
> > choosing to work around it.
> > 
> > You're up to something. What is your real agenda?

Cheers,
David.

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#200555

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 01:44:24PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> I get more off lists e-mails suggesting paths to work around the
>> captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.
>
>So, now that you've acquired a satisfactory agent, I will take the
>conversation a step further. Evidently, now, it's not so much
>that you are unable to use the captcha widget, but that you are
>choosing to work around it.
>
>You're up to something. What is your real agenda?

There are plenty of legitimate reasons that someone cannot access a
reCAPTCHA. They are inherently inaccessible to people with visability
issues, such as blindness. Please assume good faith of fellow posters.


-- 

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

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#200571

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On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 07:37:44PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> They are inherently inaccessible to people with visability
> issues, such as blindness.

Fer sure; I'm one of those. My vision is sufficiently impaired
that a) the State of Rhode Island refuses to issue me a driver's
license, and b) every month, to renew a free 'net service, I
submit to the audio option reCaptcha provides.

> Please assume good faith of fellow posters.

Everyone gets good faith from me first shot out of the box. The OP
had it, but subsequently it was withdrawn. IMHO the details are of
no consequence. Trust no one. Deny everything. Never talk to the
FBI without your lawyer present. 

I'm prepared to move on. Who's with me?

-- 
Fraught with portent

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#200630

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 04:06:27PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
>Everyone gets good faith from me first shot out of the box. The OP
>had it, but subsequently it was withdrawn.

You are entitled to have your own personal policy on good faith for your
own personal communication but this is a public mailing list with a Code
of Conduct that enshrines "assume good faith", if you are not happy with
the rule, please do not post.

https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct



-- 

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

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#200572

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:35:33 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hello Karen,

>around the  captcha *nothing* you can suggest is an option.

I know there are legitimate reasons that a captcha can't be solved.  I
suspect that some may apply here.

If you can't solve the captcha, and you can't work around it, basically,
you're fucked.  Something I've said all along.  Nobody in a position to
do anything about it (i.e. google) seems to care.

Even worse, google's recaptcha relies on US-centric terminology.  Sadly,
many of the images they consider to be of a bus are more like coaches to
some Europeans.  Cars are a minefield;  Is an SUV a car or not?
Sometimes it seems to be, other times not.  It goes on.....   :-(

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I'll be the rubbish you'll be the bin
Love Song - The Damned

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#200573

Hi brad,



> I know there are legitimate reasons that a captcha can't be solved.  I
> suspect that some may apply here.
>
> If you can't solve the captcha, and you can't work around it, basically,
> you're fucked.  Something I've said all along.  Nobody in a position to
> do anything about it (i.e. google) seems to care.
The only way I sought to work around the Captcha was not a work around, 
but an effort to reach individuals  behind the forum to which I sought 
access, i. e.
  I would have e-mailed hem directly, but even the contact form uses 
recaptcha, even with the service  anticipating people might have an issue 
creating  an account.

  Additionally,  there are many alternative forms of Captcha, honeypot 
fields for example.
Google does not force  anyone to use  recaptcha over these alternatives.
and searching before using reveals  lots of information, for example.

CAPTCHA: Inaccessible to Everyone:
http://www.sitepoint.com/captcha-inaccessible-to-everyone/
CAPTCHA: How to do it right (ie. don't use CAPTCHA!):
http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140831232143-25659818-
    captcha-how-to-do-it-right-ie-don-t-use-captcha

>
> Even worse, google's recaptcha relies on US-centric terminology.  Sadly,
> many of the images they consider to be of a bus are more like coaches to
> some Europeans.  Cars are a minefield;  Is an SUV a car or not?
> Sometimes it seems to be, other times not.  It goes on.....   :-(

Recaptcha is an issue for those who do not speak English for whom Western 
cultural references are meaningless  etc. etc.
In the case of the door I sought though  they pride themselves on their 
opensource roots, which should at least invite  thinking outside of the 
box.
  Lastly, Google can be made to care, there was a terrific piece on the CBS 
News program 60 Minutes about Google's abuses and those prepared to make 
them care.  Recaptcha is just one example of how Google  controls markets.
Karen


>
> -- 
> Regards  _
>         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
>        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
> I'll be the rubbish you'll be the bin
> Love Song - The Damned
>

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#200574

On Mon 24 Sep 2018 at 20:12:23 (-0400), Karen Lewellen wrote:

> The only way I sought to work around the Captcha was not a work
> around, but an effort to reach individuals  behind the forum to which
> I sought access, i. e.
>  I would have e-mailed hem directly, but even the contact form uses
> recaptcha, even with the service  anticipating people might have an
> issue creating  an account.

Just as the captcha is to prevent robots from submitting the web page,
so the web page contact form is likely there to avoid releasing
details such as email addresses and telephone numbers. IOW they might
not wish to be contacted in that way. So it's moot to say that you're
not attempting a workaround.

The contact people may also have little control over how their hosting
service sets up verification. Very frustrating, I agree.

Cheers,
David.

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#200609

Brad Rogers, on 2018-09-24:
> Even worse, google's recaptcha relies on US-centric
> terminology.  Sadly, many of the images they consider to be of
> a bus are more like coaches to some Europeans.  Cars are a
> minefield;

To a subset of Europeans quite known to be not at ease with
English, coaches are « cars », just like bread is « pain ».  :-)

Kind Regards,
-- 
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>

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#200611

On Tue 25 Sep 2018 at 20:27:42 +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:

> Brad Rogers, on 2018-09-24:
> > Even worse, google's recaptcha relies on US-centric
> > terminology.  Sadly, many of the images they consider to be of
> > a bus are more like coaches to some Europeans.  Cars are a
> > minefield;
> 
> To a subset of Europeans quite known to be not at ease with
> English, coaches are « cars », just like bread is « pain ».  :-)

I thought coaches were charas (pronounced "sharras", (short as)). 
"Charabanc" is a bit of a mouthful. The vehicles were used to take
one to Blackpool.

(Note to non-English speakers. Don't drop the word "chara" into
casual conversataion about transport; natural English politeness
will get you a nod of the head but there will be incomprehension
in the mind).

-- 
Brian.

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