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  Unstable update ridiculousness Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 03:00 +0200
    Re: Unstable update ridiculousness John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 03:10 +0200
      Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 03:20 +0200
        Re: Unstable update ridiculousness didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 09:10 +0200
          Re: Unstable update ridiculousness John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 15:20 +0200
            Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-09-20 15:50 +0200
              Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 22:00 +0200
                Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-09-21 00:40 +0200
                  Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:10 +0200
        Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-20 10:00 +0200
    Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-09-20 03:30 +0200
      Re: Unstable update ridiculousness Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-20 10:10 +0200

#200314 — Unstable update ridiculousness

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Hey guys, running Debian Unstable.
This is ridiculous:

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user@user:~$ sudo aptitude -Pvv update
[sudo] password for user:
Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease [233 kB]
Get: 2 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources.diff/Index
[27.9 kB]
Get: 3 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free Sources.diff/Index
[27.8 kB]
Get: 4 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
Packages.diff/Index [27.9 kB]
Get: 5 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main
Translation-en.diff/Index [27.9 kB]
Get: 6 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free
Translation-en.diff/Index [27.8 kB]
Get: 7 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [8,517 B]
Get: 8 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free Sources
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [1,611 B]
Get: 9 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [20.5 kB]
Get: 10 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [8,517 B]
Get: 11 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free Sources
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [1,611 B]
Get: 12 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main Translation-en
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [1,785 B]
Get: 13 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main Translation-en
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [1,785 B]
Get: 14 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [20.5 kB]
Get: 15 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free Translation-en
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [5,547 B]
Get: 16 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free Translation-en
2018-09-19-2009.06.pdiff [5,547 B]
Fetched 410 kB in 3s (119 kB/s)


Current status: 0 (+0) broken, 182 (+4) upgradable, 59310 (+23) new.
user@user:~$ sudo aptitude -Pvv safe-upgrade
Resolving dependencies...
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libunwind8{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libwayland-egl1-mesa{u}
The following packages will be upgraded:
  adduser apt apt-transport-https apt-utils at-spi2-core binutils
binutils-common
  binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu chromium chromium-common colord colord-data
cpp-8 emacsen-common
  fonts-opensymbol foomatic-db-compressed-ppds gawk gcc-8-base ghostscript
gir1.2-atspi-2.0
  gir1.2-cogl-1.0 gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0
gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0
  gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
gnome-sushi gstreamer1.0-gl
  gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio gstreamer1.0-x hplip
hplip-data libaprutil1
  libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libapt-inst2.0 libapt-pkg5.0
libarchive-zip-perl
  libatk-adaptor libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatomic1 libatspi2.0-0
libbasicusageenvironment1 libbinutils
  libboost-chrono1.62.0 libboost-date-time1.62.0 libboost-filesystem1.62.0
libboost-iostreams1.62.0
  libboost-locale1.62.0 libboost-regex1.62.0 libboost-system1.62.0
libboost-thread1.62.0
  libcogl-common libcogl-pango20 libcogl-path20 libcogl20 libcolord2
libcolorhug2 libdom4j-java
  libepoxy0 libgcc1 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5
  libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-bin libglib2.0-data libgnutls30 libgomp1
libgpod-common libgpod4
  libgroupsock8 libgs9 libgs9-common libgstreamer-gl1.0-0
libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
  libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgupnp-1.0-4 libhpmud0
libio-socket-ssl-perl
  libiw30 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 libjbig2dec0 liblivemedia64
libllvm6.0 liblouis-data
  liblouis16 libnautilus-extension1a libnewt0.52 libplist3
libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0
  libpulsedsp libquadmath0 libreoffice
libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer libreoffice-base
  libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-common
  libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk3
libreoffice-help-common
  libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-impress libreoffice-java-common
libreoffice-librelogo
  libreoffice-math libreoffice-nlpsolver libreoffice-ogltrans
libreoffice-report-builder
  libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-script-provider-bsh
libreoffice-script-provider-js
  libreoffice-script-provider-python libreoffice-sdbc-firebird
libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb
  libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql libreoffice-style-colibre
libreoffice-style-elementary
  libreoffice-style-tango libreoffice-wiki-publisher libreoffice-writer
libsane-hpaio
  libsdl1.2debian libsdl2-2.0-0 libsgutils2-2 libsqlite3-0 libstdc++6
libtdb1 libtevent0
  libtracker-sparql-2.0-0 libusageenvironment3 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 lintian
  linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64 nano nautilus nautilus-data openprinting-ppds
printer-driver-hpcups
  printer-driver-hpijs printer-driver-postscript-hp pulseaudio
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
  pulseaudio-utils python-gi python-gi-cairo python-lxml python-newt
python3-gi python3-gi-cairo
  python3-louis python3-olefile python3-pyatspi python3-uno rsyslog
ruby-unf-ext sqlite3 uno-libs3
  ure wget whiptail wireless-tools xserver-common xserver-xorg-core
xserver-xorg-legacy
  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xserver-xorg-video-ati
xserver-xorg-video-radeon youtube-dl
182 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.4 MB/324 MB of archives. After unpacking 7,926 kB will be
used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu amd64 2.31.1-6 [1,823 kB]
Get: 2 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 binutils-common
amd64 2.31.1-6 [2,071 kB]
Get: 3 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 binutils amd64
2.31.1-6 [55.9 kB]
Get: 4 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 libbinutils
amd64 2.31.1-6 [479 kB]
Get: 5 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,935 kB]
Get: 6 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,353 kB]
Get: 7 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,287 kB]
Get: 8 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 gstreamer1.0-gl
amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,288 kB]
Get: 9 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64
gstreamer1.0-plugins-base amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,790 kB]
Get: 10 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 gstreamer1.0-x
amd64 1.14.3-2 [1,278 kB]
Fetched 13.4 MB in 7s (1,921 kB/s)

Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
grave bugs of libtracker-sparql-2.0-0 (2.0.3-3 → 2.1.4-1) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #908800 - nautilus: can't use nautilus without tracker
serious bugs of apt (1.6.4 → 1.7.0~rc1) <Outstanding>
 b2 - #909155 - apt-cache show multiple packages produces invalid output
serious bugs of colord (1.3.3-2 → 1.4.3-3) <Outstanding>
 b3 - #908735 - colord: need to build-depend on argyll
Summary:
 apt(1 bug), colord(1 bug), libtracker-sparql-2.0-0(1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] n
**********************************************************************
****** Exiting with an error in order to stop the installation. ******
**********************************************************************
E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt returned an error code (10)
E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt

Current status: 0 (+0) broken, 182 (+0) upgradable, 59310 (+0) new.
user@user:~$

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3 bugs - 1 grave, 2 serious - in 3 packages. Holds up 182 packages total,
with no end in sight, according to the bug reports.
WTF?

And one of the packages being held up is a new kernel version! How can a
bug in another package hold up upgrading the kernel?

So, is there any way to upgrade some, or any of the packages being held up?
Even just the kernel?
At this rate, the soon there will be so many packages backed up that the
upgrade mechanism will choke, requiring a fresh install.

<anger>"Grrrr . . . "</anger>

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#200315

You are running Unstable.  It can be like that.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#200316

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On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:05 PM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> You are running Unstable.  It can be like that.
> --
> John Hasler
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
>

 182 packages?

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#200326

Le 20/09/2018 à 03:16, Default User a écrit :

>  182 packages?

from https://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ :

"The unstable distribution ("sid")

The code name for Debian's development distribution is "sid", aliased to
"unstable". Most of the development work that is done in Debian, is
uploaded to this distribution. This distribution will never get
released; instead, packages from it will propagate into testing and then
into a real release.

Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not
managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security
updates in a timely manner. For more information please see the Security
Team's FAQ.

"sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This
can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that
cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot
be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!"

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#200335

didier gaumet writes:
> Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not
> managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security
> updates in a timely manner.

There is no promise of security updates to Unstable but in practice the
developers upload fixes quite promptly.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#200337

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:17:51AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> didier gaumet writes:
> > Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not
> > managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security
> > updates in a timely manner.
> 
> There is no promise of security updates to Unstable but in practice the
> developers upload fixes quite promptly.

To be clear, *targeted* security fixes to unstable are exceptionally
uncommon.  What usually happens is that new upstream releases that fix
security issues tend to be uploaded to unstable.  This sometimes happens
promptly and at other times can come with significant delay.

The reason for the distinction of the targeted security fixes is that
upstream may fix a reported security issue in their development
repository, but it may be some weeks or months before a new upstream
release is made with the fix.  There are occasions where the package
maintainer may cherry-pick the relevant commit(s), as is done for stable
security updates.  However, this is not the norm.  Some upstreams
actually make an effort to obfuscate which commits fix which security
vulnerabilities, which makes the matter even more challenging.

The point is that those who rely on timely security fixes should look
elsewhere than unstable and testing.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#200354

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>
>
>
Hi guys. Thank you for your replies.

Please note that I am really not familiar with either cron or (especially)
with package pinning.

Using advice given, using apt-listings and aptitude full-update, l was able
to update everything except the 3 packages in question, which are now
"pinned", with a priority of 3000.

I do have both cron and anacron installed, but have never used or done
anything to configure them. Note: the computer in question is not on 24/7,
but is normally on part of every day. Thus anacron, per the apt-listbugs
man page.

If I understand correctly, a cron job has been created automatically, which
will check each day automatically, and automatically in-pin the packages in
question when they are eligible for upgrade. Is this correct?

If not, will I have to manually delete the cron job in question and/or
manually edit/delete the package pinning, once the packages in question
have been upgraded?

Finally, how can I verify that said cron job was created and enabled
(correctly)?

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#200357

On 21/09/2018 07:51, Default User wrote:
> Using advice given, using apt-listings and aptitude full-update, l was able
> to update everything except the 3 packages in question, which are now
> "pinned", with a priority of 3000.

I find apt-mark hold more convenient than pinning.

> I do have both cron and anacron installed, but have never used or done
> anything to configure them. Note: the computer in question is not on 24/7,
> but is normally on part of every day. Thus anacron, per the apt-listbugs
> man page.

I mask cron and anacron because I prefer manual control of all system 
maintenance tasks.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#200363

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 18:39 Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> wrote:

> On 21/09/2018 07:51, Default User wrote:
> > Using advice given, using apt-listings and aptitude full-update, l was
> able
> > to update everything except the 3 packages in question, which are now
> > "pinned", with a priority of 3000.
>
> I find apt-mark hold more convenient than pinning.
>
> > I do have both cron and anacron installed, but have never used or done
> > anything to configure them. Note: the computer in question is not on
> 24/7,
> > but is normally on part of every day. Thus anacron, per the apt-listbugs
> > man page.
>
> I mask cron and anacron because I prefer manual control of all system
> maintenance tasks.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
> Director
> Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
> New Zealand
>


Now you tell me . . .
: )

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#200328

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:16:30 -0400
Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:05 PM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > You are running Unstable.  It can be like that.
> > --
> > John Hasler
> > jhasler@newsguy.com
> > Elmwood, WI USA
> >
> >  
> 
>  182 packages?

No, three. The rest can be upgraded. I usually switch to synaptic when
this happens, I find it easier to select the ones which will go. I've
never got along with aptitude interactive for some reason.

The same happens when some parts of a large set of packages are
upgradeable and some aren't, like Qt or libreoffice. I upgrade the
ones which aren't affected, and decline the offer to remove 350
packages.

In fact, I often accept buggy upgrades if the problems aren't likely to
affect me. I rarely use apt-cache on this machine, so I accepted that
one. Failed To Build From Source is another one that doesn't worry me,
because I don't.

-- 
Joe

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#200317

Read the bug reports and decide whether any of them will hurt you:

On 20/09/2018 12:54, Default User wrote:
> grave bugs of libtracker-sparql-2.0-0 (2.0.3-3 → 2.1.4-1) <Outstanding>
>   b1 - #908800 - nautilus: can't use nautilus without tracker

If you use nautilus, "apt-get install tracker".

> serious bugs of apt (1.6.4 → 1.7.0~rc1) <Outstanding>
>   b2 - #909155 - apt-cache show multiple packages produces invalid output

Meh. Should be fixed. No doubt it will be fixed. But until then, I do 
not care.

> serious bugs of colord (1.3.3-2 → 1.4.3-3) <Outstanding>
>   b3 - #908735 - colord: need to build-depend on argyll

Only affects building this package, not end users.

> Summary:
>   apt(1 bug), colord(1 bug), libtracker-sparql-2.0-0(1 bug)
> Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] n

At this point, instead of "n", just press "Enter".

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#200329

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:26:05 +1200
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> wrote:

> Read the bug reports and decide whether any of them will hurt you:
> 
> On 20/09/2018 12:54, Default User wrote:
> > grave bugs of libtracker-sparql-2.0-0 (2.0.3-3 → 2.1.4-1)
> > <Outstanding> b1 - #908800 - nautilus: can't use nautilus without
> > tracker  
> 
> If you use nautilus, "apt-get install tracker".
> 

That was documented late, I never saw that that bug message until after
I'd installed it, and nautilus failed to materialise when I had a
client standing behind me. Fortunately, I also keep nemo installed and
moved on with barely any fuss... I like nautilus, but it does have its
moments.

I later discovered the issue for myself on the Net.

-- 
Joe

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