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  XFCE problems Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> - 2018-03-31 00:50 +0200
    Re: XFCE problems Patrick Wiseman <pwiseman@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 01:00 +0200
    Re: XFCE problems Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-03-31 04:50 +0200
    Re: XFCE problems Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-03-31 13:10 +0200
      Re: XFCE problems Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 17:00 +0200
        Re: XFCE problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-04-01 20:20 +0200

#194344 — XFCE problems

I use XFCE and usually my name, the clock and some other
stuff is at the right of the top status(?) bar and the App
icon and window names are at the left. And they stay there.
Something has changed. everything is bunched up to the left
and changes in size depending on how many windows I have in
the workspace.

Does anybody know what/where I have to change to get the
behavior back to previous?

Many TIA!
Dennis

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#194345

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> wrote:

> I use XFCE and usually my name, the clock and some other
> stuff is at the right of the top status(?) bar and the App
> icon and window names are at the left. And they stay there.
> Something has changed. everything is bunched up to the left
> and changes in size depending on how many windows I have in
> the workspace.
>
> Does anybody know what/where I have to change to get the
> behavior back to previous?


This has been the behavior for quite a long time now. Did you recently
upgrade several versions? Anyway, you can insert a 'Separator', and check
its 'Expand' box, between the stuff you want on the right and the stuff you
want on the left.

Patrick

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#194355

On 31/03/18 11:45, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> I use XFCE and usually my name, the clock and some other
> stuff is at the right of the top status(?) bar and the App
> icon and window names are at the left. And they stay there.
> Something has changed. everything is bunched up to the left
> and changes in size depending on how many windows I have in
> the workspace.
> Does anybody know what/where I have to change to get the
> behavior back to previous?

The top bar is likely a Panel. Layout and contents are very 
configurable. Right-click on it, choose Panel / Panel Preferences ..., 
then choose the Items tab. You can then examine every item in the panel.

One thing to watch out for are Separator items, which have an Expand 
checkbox. These are the main thing I use to change layout. They are 
invisible and you can also right-click on them directly. Expanded 
Separator items in a panel share any unallocated space. Quite flexible, 
but if you are not aware of the Expand checkbox and accidentally change 
it, the layout will be quite different.

If you add a Separator with Expand checked between the items you want on 
the right and the items you want on the left, you will likely get the 
layout you had previously.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#194360

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:45:42 -0500
Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> wrote:

> I use XFCE and usually my name, the clock and some other
> stuff is at the right of the top status(?) bar and the App
> icon and window names are at the left. And they stay there.
> Something has changed. everything is bunched up to the left
> and changes in size depending on how many windows I have in
> the workspace.
> 
> Does anybody know what/where I have to change to get the
> behavior back to previous?

As others have said, open Panel, Panel Preferences. The main tab is
Display and has a setting for panel sizes, and whether they are fixed
or dynamic. If you have more than one panel, start from any of them and
select using the list box at the top of the dialog.

OK, it shouldn't change by itself...

-- 
Joe

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#194363

On 3/31/18, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:45:42 -0500
> Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> wrote:
>
>> I use XFCE and usually my name, the clock and some other
>> stuff is at the right of the top status(?) bar and the App
>> icon and window names are at the left. And they stay there.
>> Something has changed. everything is bunched up to the left
>> and changes in size depending on how many windows I have in
>> the workspace.
>>
>> Does anybody know what/where I have to change to get the
>> behavior back to previous?
>
> As others have said, open Panel, Panel Preferences. The main tab is
> Display and has a setting for panel sizes, and whether they are fixed
> or dynamic. If you have more than one panel, start from any of them and
> select using the list box at the top of the dialog.
>
> OK, it shouldn't change by itself...


Yeah, that's what I keep thinking, too. One method of change, via
Applications menu, takes a number of deliberate steps to get to the
point of changing it.

A second method is right click over the separator, and then you're
there. That causes me to think out loud... that it might could happen
"spontaneously" in that case. Just this past week, I've had several
incidences where something like this could have happened to me.

Most recent was that nothing I tried stopped my setup from one time
deleting selected emails in Gmail and a different time sending
selected emails to the sp am bucket. Both incidences happened in a
heartbeat. If I had looked away for even a split second, I would have
had no idea what likely happened.

In my (also XFCE4) case, what likely happened appeared *possibly*
related to memory.. *possibly* not. I lost "control" of the cursor for
a few seconds. Could move it around, but that was it. Neither left
click nor right click *appeared* to respond.

Sometimes ESC has helped in that kind of case but not in those two
latest instances. Those two happened within maybe two minutes of each
other.

It did happen a third time, but I can't remember how. Maybe it was
something like right click and open the Alarm Clock package... which
is right up there alongside separators now that I think about it. :)

That makes it a two-step deal instead of the other two instances where
a Gmail action button was the only thing pushed. That leaves room in
*my brain* to consider it possible to have had a rapid fire,
*seemingly spontaneous* click-click-click THREE-step action occur,
e.g. right click over separator, spontaneously hit Properties, AND
then "spontaneously" untoggle the Expand feature....

I'd be paranoid in my case if it wasn't for keeping a constant eye on
"free -m" lately. 6GB of memory keeps vanishing with my Opera browser.
Seems a rational causative.

Important factor is that yes, that much [lost] memory is definitely
directly tied to the browser. That memory's consumed as soon as I
refresh all opened tabs before logging onto the Net on a fresh reboot.

Then again, I *am* paranoid in my case because the uncontrollable
actions are not happening endlessly while computer memory has been
maxxed 24/7 for weeks.

So far, uncontrollable incidences have only occurred on two different
days while involving three distinct, non-intended actions. All three
incidences have involved a total of possibly 30 seconds of my
conscious awareness.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#194383

On Sat 31 Mar 2018 at 10:54:23 (-0400), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> In my (also XFCE4) case, what likely happened appeared *possibly*
> related to memory.. *possibly* not. I lost "control" of the cursor for
> a few seconds. Could move it around, but that was it. Neither left
> click nor right click *appeared* to respond.

The problem when the cursor sticks, and clicks produce no response, is
that the actions can stack up and get executed a few moments later.
Where on the screen those clicks end up clicking is anybody's guess,
because the invisible cursor movements in between that you made
unintentionally have also been stacked up.

> I'd be paranoid in my case if it wasn't for keeping a constant eye on
> "free -m" lately. 6GB of memory keeps vanishing with my Opera browser.
> Seems a rational causative.
> 
> Important factor is that yes, that much [lost] memory is definitely
> directly tied to the browser. That memory's consumed as soon as I
> refresh all opened tabs before logging onto the Net on a fresh reboot.

I've stopped using Opera since using my mega /etc/hosts file (with
13000 hosts pointing at 127.0.0.1), but it seemed to me that when you
start it up, it immediately tries to reload all the tabbed pages that
were open when you finished last time.

OTOH while Firefox displays the little tabs in the tab bar, each one
is reloaded only when you actually switch to it, as evidenced by the
spinning circle before the page appears.

When memory is scarce, the difference is dramatic. Opera thrashes
swap which makes it difficult to display the one page you're now
interested in. FF doesn't thrash, so you can click on the tab you
really want and it gets displayed more quickly.

> Then again, I *am* paranoid in my case because the uncontrollable
> actions are not happening endlessly while computer memory has been
> maxxed 24/7 for weeks.

Do bear in mind that linux can appear to use a lot of memory merely
because it's there to be used. IOW why free any memory until you need
it for something else. Leave it cached there in case the data needs
to be used later.

> So far, uncontrollable incidences have only occurred on two different
> days while involving three distinct, non-intended actions. All three
> incidences have involved a total of possibly 30 seconds of my
> conscious awareness.

Cheers,
David.

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