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  Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 16:50 +0200
    Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager  opinions and recommendations Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2018-03-30 17:20 +0200
      Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 18:20 +0200
      Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 18:20 +0200
        Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager  opinions and recommendations David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-04-01 20:10 +0200

#194316 — Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations

On Friday, March 30, 2018 09:57:02 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyway, these days, I store all my "real user data" in directories other
> than ~, these include directories like /<user>01, /<user>02, (e.g.,
> /bob01, /bob02, /back01, back02), and I have no fear / reluctance to
> create other such top level directories when I feel a need to.  (On the
> other hand, most of my real user data is under directories like (e.g.,)
> /bob01, e.g., /bob01/photos, /bob01/documents, ...
> 
> The one thing I still don't like is that the "user configuration data" is
> stored as hidden files in ~.  I configure any file manager or similar
> software that I use to show hidden files.

Just one (or two) additional thoughts:

   * I can somewhat understand the use of /home for both types of data back in 
the days when a *nix system had many users--having all of the personalized 
data under one directory (/home) made many tasks easier for the admins (e.g., 
they only had to backup one directory to preserve all user data.

   * with that in mind, some of my proposals to various people (including the 
FHS) included things like creating a new directory, then keeping one named 
/home and naming the new one either something like /data (for real user data, 
and keeping the configuation data in /home, or vice versa--keeping the real 
user data in /home and creating a new top level directory named maybe 
something like /config for user configuration data.

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#194317 — Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations

On 30-03-2018 11:47, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> * with that in mind, some of my proposals to various people (including
> the
> FHS) included things like creating a new directory, then keeping one named 
> /home and naming the new one either something like /data (for real user data, 
> and keeping the configuation data in /home, or vice versa--keeping the real 
> user data in /home and creating a new top level directory named maybe 
> something like /config for user configuration data.
There's ~/.config
(https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/file-hierarchy.html#~/.config)
. Many apps use it, but still the majority uses ~ directly (and probably
allways will).

-- 
We'll know that rock is dead when you have to get a degree to work in it.

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#194321

On Friday, March 30, 2018 11:17:32 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> There's ~/.config
> (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/file-hierarchy.html#~/.co
> nfig) . Many apps use it, but still the majority uses ~ directly (and
> probably allways will).

True, but I mainly wanted to comment on your sig--I'm sure that's true:

We'll know that rock is dead when you have to get a degree to work in it.

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#194322

On Friday, March 30, 2018 11:17:32 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> There's ~/.config
> (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/file-hierarchy.html#~/.co
> nfig) . Many apps use it, but still the majority uses ~ directly (and
> probably allways will).

And now to comment on the above (again)--yes, true, but even if they all used 
~/.config, that wouldn't really satisfy me.

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#194382 — Re: Storing "real" user data: was: Re: Update: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations

On Fri 30 Mar 2018 at 12:15:18 (-0400), rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 11:17:32 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > There's ~/.config
> > (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/file-hierarchy.html#~/.co
> > nfig) . Many apps use it, but still the majority uses ~ directly (and
> > probably allways will).
> 
> And now to comment on the above (again)--yes, true, but even if they all used 
> ~/.config, that wouldn't really satisfy me.

But this should convince you that your "vice versa" is a dead duck:
you can only attempt to move people's personal information and leave
the configuration side to evolve as it is doing. I suppose the
creation of ~/{Desktop,Documents,Public,Templates,…} is a step in that
direction.

Cheers, David.

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