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  Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) - 2018-03-07 06:30 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-07 13:20 +0100
      Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 20:10 +0100
      Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 20:40 +0100
        Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-03-07 21:20 +0100
        Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-08 14:10 +0100
          Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 14:30 +0100
            Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? albcares <acbangher@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 14:40 +0100
            Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-08 20:20 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2018-03-07 19:10 +0100
      Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-03-07 19:30 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2018-03-07 21:30 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2018-03-07 21:30 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) - 2018-03-07 22:30 +0100
      Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) - 2018-03-10 07:30 +0100
        Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-03-10 11:00 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-03-08 12:10 +0100
    Re: Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2018-03-10 17:10 +0100

#193440 — Multifunction (printer + scanner) recommendation?

I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
searching over numerous web pages :(

I need to buy device to scan and print which:
- can scan with sane
- can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
- no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
- can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)


Any suggestions?

KJ

[1] - like Brother, but I heard that they give source code for driver too?
[2] - hplip has a lot of bloat in his dependecies
[3] - sizes of my current hp 1120 MFP device




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#193459

Kamil Jońca wrote:
>
> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> searching over numerous web pages :(

I'd go for something from Brother.  Ideally, networkable (rather than
needing to share via CUPS, etc.)

>
> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> - can scan with sane
Last I looked, Brother can do this.  That being said, I'm using one of
their "MFC" series, and just scan PDFs to a network share (this does
mean, ofc that I lose out on OCR, but for what I scan, that's minor).

> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])

Good luck there.  Brother, HP, everyone that makes quality hardware has
a binary driver.
> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]

That's a bit on the small side, but you could probably find something.
> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)

Sounds like you might've missed a step then, since cups has been able to
share forever.

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#193478

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:07:20 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> Kamil Jońca wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> > searching over numerous web pages :(

I understand, but do see this thread:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00121.html

> I'd go for something from Brother.  Ideally, networkable (rather than
> needing to share via CUPS, etc.)

+1

My experience with my Brother HL-2280DW has been very good:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00183.html

I'm pretty sure that this model has been superseded by newer ones, but
I have the impression that the situation is similar with those newer
models in the same or similar product families:

http://www.brother-usa.com/productpages/ataglance2.aspx?PG=4&HID=43

> > I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> > - can scan with sane
> Last I looked, Brother can do this.  That being said, I'm using one of
> their "MFC" series, and just scan PDFs to a network share (this does
> mean, ofc that I lose out on OCR, but for what I scan, that's minor).

My HL-2280DW works fine with sane.

> > - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> > drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
> 
> Good luck there.  Brother, HP, everyone that makes quality hardware has
> a binary driver.

I use Brother's binary drivers. The printer can actually be made to
work without them, albeit with missing functionality and some apparent
difference in output quality:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00314.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00448.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg00417.html

Celejar

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#193481

On Wednesday, March 07, 2018 07:07:20 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> Kamil Jońca wrote:
> Good luck there.  Brother, HP, everyone that makes quality hardware has
> a binary driver.
> 
> > - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
> 
> That's a bit on the small side, but you could probably find something.

+1--your size limititations make it rather tough.

Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come out 
with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks, I wish I 
hadn't bought something else recently.  The one disappointment I see with 
those Canon printers (there are two that I'm aware of) is that they can'd do 
auto duplex printing.

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#193485

On 03/07/2018 02:37 PM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 07, 2018 07:07:20 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Kamil Jońca wrote:
>> Good luck there.  Brother, HP, everyone that makes quality hardware has
>> a binary driver.
>>
>>> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
>> That's a bit on the small side, but you could probably find something.
> +1--your size limititations make it rather tough.
>
> Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come out
> with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks, I wish I
> hadn't bought something else recently.  The one disappointment I see with
> those Canon printers (there are two that I'm aware of) is that they can'd do
> auto duplex printing.
>
>
If it ever is up to me, I would SHUN any printer with ink tanks! I do NOT
want to have to deal with liquid ink! I think that's the worst idea I have
ever seen!

--doug

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#193521

rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 07, 2018 07:07:20 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Kamil Jońca wrote:
>> Good luck there.  Brother, HP, everyone that makes quality hardware has
>> a binary driver.
>> 
>> > - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
>> 
>> That's a bit on the small side, but you could probably find something.
>
> +1--your size limititations make it rather tough.
>
> Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come
> out with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks,
> I wish I hadn't bought something else recently.  The one
> disappointment I see with those Canon printers (there are two that I'm
> aware of) is that they can'd do auto duplex printing.

Ink in general is a disappointment to me ;).  It dries out before I get
a chance to use it all.

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#193522

On Thursday, March 08, 2018 07:53:36 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come
> > out with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks,
> > I wish I hadn't bought something else recently.  The one
> > disappointment I see with those Canon printers (there are two that I'm
> > aware of) is that they can'd do auto duplex printing.
-->                                          ^t

> 
> Ink in general is a disappointment to me ;).  It dries out before I get
> a chance to use it all.

I guess you mean the ink dries in the printing head "holes"?  It's been a long 
time since I've had that problem--I guess the little bit of rubbing alcohol 
that I add to the ink helps prevent that problem.

In the past, when I've had the problem, I've done things like put the print 
head into a tray with a shallow batch of rubbing alcohol (so it just wets the 
print head "holes").  After soaking for a while, I wipe the head dry (gently) 
(just to avoid dripping ink anywhere) with something lint free, reinsert in 
the printer, and then run a cleaning cycle.

If that doesn't work, I'll repeat.

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#193523

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2018-03-08 14:22 GMT+01:00 <rhkramer@gmail.com>:

> On Thursday, March 08, 2018 07:53:36 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> > rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come
> > > out with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks,
> > > I wish I hadn't bought something else recently.  The one
> > > disappointment I see with those Canon printers (there are two that I'm
> > > aware of) is that they can'd do auto duplex printing.
> -->                                          ^t
>
> >
> > Ink in general is a disappointment to me ;).  It dries out before I get
> > a chance to use it all.
>
> I guess you mean the ink dries in the printing head "holes"?  It's been a
> long
> time since I've had that problem--I guess the little bit of rubbing alcohol
> that I add to the ink helps prevent that problem.
>
> In the past, when I've had the problem, I've done things like put the print
> head into a tray with a shallow batch of rubbing alcohol (so it just wets
> the
> print head "holes").  After soaking for a while, I wipe the head dry
> (gently)
> (just to avoid dripping ink anywhere) with something lint free, reinsert in
> the printer, and then run a cleaning cycle.
>
> If that doesn't work, I'll repeat.
>
>
> Hi. - I'm thinking You'd better  look for what kind doesn't run! You may
check OpenPrinting lists.
By now  for instanceI'm with a B/W laser multifunction by samsung, scx4100
series (quite old). After some troubles for fitting it, I feel well and
it's good and cheap, and overall you can forget of sending a print anytime
to keep the cartridge awake!

best regards
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#193534

rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 08, 2018 07:53:36 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 
>> > Bbut I'll mention that I'm partial to Canon, and now that they've come
>> > out with the line of printers that you can refill on board ink tanks,
>> > I wish I hadn't bought something else recently.  The one
>> > disappointment I see with those Canon printers (there are two that I'm
>> > aware of) is that they can'd do auto duplex printing.
> -->                                          ^t
>
>> 
>> Ink in general is a disappointment to me ;).  It dries out before I get
>> a chance to use it all.
>
> I guess you mean the ink dries in the printing head "holes"?  It's
> been a long time since I've had that problem--I guess the little bit
> of rubbing alcohol that I add to the ink helps prevent that problem.

Or in the cartridge itself.  Either way, it dried out.  Laser is the way
to go :)


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#193474

On 06/03/18 09:00 PM, Kamil Jońca wrote:

> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> searching over numerous web pages :(
>
> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> - can scan with sane
> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)
>
> Any suggestions?

I have an Epson WF-2760 which seems to do what you need.  It sits on our 
LAN; from my Debian box I can use it to scan using xsane, and after 
setting it up in CUPS it prints with no problems.  Dunno about Windows, 
but my wife's Macbook accesses it just fine too.

-- 
cgibbs@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

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#193476

On 03/07/2018 01:06 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 06/03/18 09:00 PM, Kamil Jońca wrote:
>
>> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
>> searching over numerous web pages :(
>>
>> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
>> - can scan with sane
>> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
>> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
>> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
>> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do 
>> that)
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> I have an Epson WF-2760 which seems to do what you need.  It sits on 
> our LAN; from my Debian box I can use it to scan using xsane, and 
> after setting it up in CUPS it prints with no problems.  Dunno about 
> Windows, but my wife's Macbook accesses it just fine too.
>
I also have an Epson. Mine is WP-4530. It prints in color, scans, copies 
(reducing and enlarging on request) and sends and receives faxes. It 
uses large ink cartridges, unlike another Epson
printer I bought which uses little tiny ink sources that hardly last at 
all, so research your Epson choice carefully. I think the WP-4530 is a 
really excellent machine for all those purposes, and
it works perfectly with SANE. However, you will probably have to go to 
Epson and download drivers for it. I also don't know if it is still 
available.

--doug

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#193487

Le 03/07/18 à 21:19, Erwan David a écrit :
> Le 03/07/18 à 06:00, Kamil Jońca a écrit :
>> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
>> searching over numerous web pages :(
>>
>> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
>> - can scan with sane
>> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
>> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
>> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
>> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> [1] - like Brother, but I heard that they give source code for driver too?
>> [2] - hplip has a lot of bloat in his dependecies
>> [3] - sizes of my current hp 1120 MFP device
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I can not test for windows, but otherwise I have a HP LaserJet Pro MFP
> m125nw which could work, except it needs a proprietary plugin to hplip.
>
> Since it is a network printer, I do not see why it could not be used by
> windows and debian at the same time.
>
I should add that it is a B&W laser printer. An avantage of laser is
that ink does not dry...

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#193489

Le 03/07/18 à 06:00, Kamil Jońca a écrit :
> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> searching over numerous web pages :(
>
> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> - can scan with sane
> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> KJ
>
> [1] - like Brother, but I heard that they give source code for driver too?
> [2] - hplip has a lot of bloat in his dependecies
> [3] - sizes of my current hp 1120 MFP device
>
>
>
>

I can not test for windows, but otherwise I have a HP LaserJet Pro MFP
m125nw which could work, except it needs a proprietary plugin to hplip.

Since it is a network printer, I do not see why it could not be used by
windows and debian at the same time.

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#193496

kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes:


[...]
Thanks for everybodys' replies.
Now I think about brother  DCP-1510E.

We'll see ...
KJ


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#193567

kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes:

> kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes:
>
>
> [...]
> Thanks for everybodys' replies.
> Now I think about brother  DCP-1510E.

I bought it, and have mixed feelings.
With brother's drivers I can scan and print (and Windows 7 machine too
via samba) but scans are "over exposed"
Is it possible to control scan lamp power or ccd sensivity?
KJ
-- 
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#193573

On 10/03/18 19:09, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> kjonca@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes:
>> Thanks for everybodys' replies.
>> Now I think about brother  DCP-1510E.
> I bought it, and have mixed feelings.
> With brother's drivers I can scan and print (and Windows 7 machine too
> via samba) but scans are "over exposed"
> Is it possible to control scan lamp power or ccd sensivity?
> KJ

In XSane you can set the gamma, brightness, and contrast. If you open 
the preview scan you can use a preview scan to set these automatically. 
If you want to use the same settings for all scans, you can save them 
with the "M" button. For more, see Help /XSane doc.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#193519

On 07/03/18 18:00, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> searching over numerous web pages :(
> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> - can scan with sane
> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)
> Any suggestions?
> KJ
> [1] - like Brother, but I heard that they give source code for driver too?
> [2] - hplip has a lot of bloat in his dependecies
> [3] - sizes of my current hp 1120 MFP device

I like my Brother MFC-L2740DW. Duplex greyscale laser with sheet feeder. 
A little deeper but not as wide as your current printer. Printing uses 
only open source drivers (with the foomatic-db-compressed-ppds package). 
Scanning needs brscan4-0.4.4-2.amd64.deb. I use XSane. On WiFi network. 
Other user reports that it works with Mac. What is this "Windows"?

CUPS settings:
http://192.168.1.11/ipp
Name: Brother_MFC-L2740DW
Description: Brother MFC-L2740DW
Driver: Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer Foomatic/pxlcolor (recommended)

 From CUPS page:
Description:	Brother MFC-L2740DW
Location:	
Driver:	Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer Foomatic/pxlcolor (recommended) 
(color, 2-sided printing)
Connection:	http://192.168.1.11/ipp
Defaults:	job-sheets=none, none media=iso_a4_210x297mm 
sides=two-sided-long-edge

Sane config:
brsaneconfig4 -a name=Brother_MFC-L2740DW model=MFC-L2740DW ip=192.168.1.11

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#193584

On 2018-03-07 12:00 AM, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> I am not sure if it is best group for this question but I am tired with
> searching over numerous web pages :(
>
> I need to buy device to scan and print which:
> - can scan with sane
> - can print from my debian box (strongly prefer without binary/closed
> drivers[1], I'm not sure about hplip[2])
> - no bigger than ~ (H x D x W) 308 mm x 363 mm x 437 mm [3]
> - can be shared to Windows machines (with HP 1120MFP I could not do that)
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> KJ
>
> [1] - like Brother, but I heard that they give source code for driver too?
> [2] - hplip has a lot of bloat in his dependecies
> [3] - sizes of my current hp 1120 MFP device

I have had good luck with Epson products over the decades. I've been 
using an Epson XP-820 for a few years now and it works quite well as a 
printer/scanner/fax except that I can't print directly to a CD/DVD 
(previous Epson printers allowed me to do this without problem so I'm 
not sure why the XP-820 doesn't). However I can copy the image to a USB 
stick and print directly on the printer so it's not a fatal flaw.

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