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  no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 22:30 +0100
    Re: no audio Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-02-23 23:50 +0100
      Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 00:40 +0100
    Re: no audio songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-02-23 23:50 +0100
      Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 00:50 +0100
        Re: no audio bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-24 01:50 +0100
      Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 03:30 +0100
    Re: no audio Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-02-24 11:30 +0100
      Re: no audio Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 16:50 +0100
        Re: no audio Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 18:40 +0100
      Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 20:20 +0100
        Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 20:30 +0100
          Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 21:10 +0100
            Re: no audio Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 22:10 +0100
              Re: no audio Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 23:30 +0100
        Re: no audio Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-02-24 22:00 +0100

#193008 — no audio

buster -- recent update(s), SuperMicro box

There's no audio, but there was a few weeks ago.

In alsamixer, I've tried selecting the mobo sound chip (HDA Intel).
When alsamixer comes up, it says PulseAudio is the selected card and
chip. I change that to the Intel (the card is HDA Intel, and the chip
is Realtek ALC888) and exit. No sound. When I bring up alsamixer
again, PulseAudio is the card/chip again.

I've read both the alsamixer and PulseAudio man pages and tried a few
things, no help there. I tried starting PulseAudio as root, and see a
line saying I should start it as non-root. I do and there's a line of
what to me is gibberish, but no error message. And there's still no
sound.

I've tried to get some sound with Audacity and SoX. In both, the
output 'meters' bounce like there should be sound in my known working
headphones, but there isn't.

I've heard that PulseAudio is the spawn of Satan, and I've used alsa
and its predecessor successfully for years with the mobo audio and
alsa with my RME Hammerfall card.

I haven't scoured to logs for errors yet...

Ideas? Suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?

-- 
Glenn English

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#193010

On 02/23/2018 04:26 PM, Glenn English wrote:

> I've heard that PulseAudio is the spawn of Satan, and I've used alsa
> and its predecessor successfully for years with the mobo audio and
> alsa with my RME Hammerfall card.
> 
> I haven't scoured to logs for errors yet...

Check your logs. I've used pulse for years with nary a burp in the 
barrel. Do you have pavucontrol installed?? If not, please do so. Use it 
to attempt to configure your sound card. Pulse sits on top of alsa. If 
alsa doesn't work, pulse doesn't stand a chance.  I have the Realtek 
alc892 and alsamixer finds it without problems. Do you have some old 
edits to files like .asoundrc?? I do not have those files. 
Troubleshooting with a shotgun, Ric

p/s when you use alsamixer you want to see "OO" and not "MM" at the 
bottom of the volume bars. Use the 'm' key to switch the state and then 
the arrows keys to switch between outputs/inputs. "OO" means they are 
active and "MM" is muted.


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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#193013

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> Check your logs.

K.

> I have the Realtek alc892 and alsamixer
> finds it without problems.

Alsamixer finds it with no problem here too. It just doesn't stay as
the chip when I try to select it.

> p/s when you use alsamixer you want to see "OO" and not "MM" at the bottom
> of the volume bars. Use the 'm' key to switch the state and then the arrows
> keys to switch between outputs/inputs. "OO" means they are active and "MM"
> is muted.

Been there, and that does stay in place when I set it.

-- 
Glenn English

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#193012

Glenn English wrote:
...
> Ideas? Suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?

  check for something set to Mute or the volume may
be set very low somewhere.

  install paman and see what it says about sources
and sinks.


  songbird

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#193014

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

>   check for something set to Mute or the volume may
> be set very low somewhere.

Possible, but there's no mm/MM (that I can see) below the faders, and
the faders are all up in the red. Were anyway. I took them down to the
white because I don't like to see red things on a mixer...

>   install paman and see what it says about sources
> and sinks.

Will do.

-- 
Glenn English

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#193015

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, Glenn English wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> 
> >   check for something set to Mute or the volume may
> > be set very low somewhere.
> 
> Possible, but there's no mm/MM (that I can see) below the faders, and
> the faders are all up in the red. Were anyway. I took them down to the
> white because I don't like to see red things on a mixer...
> 

Yeah I used to feel this way also, but digital is different than the old 
VU meters we used to use.

AFAIK, maxing out alsamixer won't distort, it should be 0.00dB gain 
which is optimal for less noise, IMO.

Crank it up!!

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#193016

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:42 PM, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

>   install paman and see what it says about sources
> and sinks.

It says a lot, but I'm not sure what it all means. Would screenshots
help? But as best I can tell, things are OK there. All the blanks are
filled in, and the sinks say two things: #2 is about Hammerfall. I
don't see anything about Intel, but #1 is 'Built-in Audio Digital
Stereo (IEC958)'. My guess is that's the mobo chip.

There are four sources listed. Two are that Built-in something and the
last two are the Hammerfall.

I found the PA Volume Meter, and it bounces along with Audacity's
meters. I assume that means alsa is working, right?

I found a window labeled Volume Control. It was set to zero. I don't
understand how the meters were bouncing with that at zero, but I
brought it up. Still nothing.

In Audacity, there's a drop-down to select the card/chip. Set to
defaults or HDA Intel, both Audacity and the PA meters bounce.

Here's something interesting: I logged into a buster laptop across the
room (with no recent updates) and ran alsamixer. It's card is HDA
Intel PCH, and its chip is Realtek ALC3235. Not PulseAudio.

I scp'ed a piece of audio to it and opened it in Audacity. Sound works
over there.

There seems to be no way to find PA's version (no mention of a version
option in the man page or in -h).

logs:
dpkg.log:2018-02-23 11:54:58 configure gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64
1.12.4-1+b1 <none>
dpkg.log:2018-02-23 11:54:58 status unpacked
gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64 1.12.4-1+b1
dpkg.log:2018-02-23 11:54:58 status half-configured
gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64 1.12.4-1+b1
dpkg.log:2018-02-23 11:54:58 status installed
gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64 1.12.4-1+b1

syslog:Feb 23 09:40:31 sbox dbus-daemon[662]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1'
unit='rtkit-daemon.service' requested by ':1.26' (uid=1000 pid=1398
comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no ")
syslog:Feb 23 12:15:16 sbox dbus-daemon[680]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1'
unit='rtkit-daemon.service' requested by ':1.24' (uid=1000 pid=1306
comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no ")

That's not everything, but it's everything I think is relevant.

There were a few updates and reboots today. And can't find it again,
but I could swear I saw a PA update...

-- 
Glenn English

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#193030

On 2018-02-23, Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> wrote:
> buster -- recent update(s), SuperMicro box
>
> There's no audio, but there was a few weeks ago.
>
> In alsamixer, I've tried selecting the mobo sound chip (HDA Intel).
> When alsamixer comes up, it says PulseAudio is the selected card and
> chip. I change that to the Intel (the card is HDA Intel, and the chip
> is Realtek ALC888) and exit. No sound. When I bring up alsamixer
> again, PulseAudio is the card/chip again.
>

I upgraded from Wheezy to Stretch (via Jessie, via Jessie) and lost
sound in the process.

I have two sound devices--HD-AUDIO GENERIC (which corresponds to HDMI)
and HDA ATI SB (Realtek chip which I use for sound output).

Selecting the HDA ATI SB card in alsamixer (F6) was fruitless (although
you can eventually unmute muted channels there to positive effect).

I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
chip on.

As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
headphones).

I now have sound through the headphones.

-- 
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-Oscar Wilde

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#193042

On 02/24/2018 05:04 AM, Curt wrote:

> I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
> profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
> chip on.
> 
> As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
> headphones).
> 
> I now have sound through the headphones.



Life can be GOOD! :) Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#193057

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This thread has proved most useful in my hour of need!

Having a Zoom conference in Wednesday night I had no sound on my Dell XP15,
recently updated. I had to fall back on dual-booting into Win 10 to join,
which did not please me!

Now with the advice about pavucontrol everything works as it should, so
many thanks all!

However, (running with Mate) the Sound set-up does not play any sound at
all, nor recognise the microphone. Has anyone any idea why this should be
so, or should I just be grateful that the microphone and speakers work?

(on an off-topic note why does MSCrap tell me my computer has a fault and
it will restart, when it is clearly the bloody software that's faulty?)

Terence

On 24 February 2018 at 14:48, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/24/2018 05:04 AM, Curt wrote:
>
> I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
>> profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
>> chip on.
>>
>> As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
>> headphones).
>>
>> I now have sound through the headphones.
>>
>
>
>
> Life can be GOOD! :) Ric
>
>
>
> --
> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
>
>

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#193068

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> I have two sound devices--HD-AUDIO GENERIC (which corresponds to HDMI)
> and HDA ATI SB (Realtek chip which I use for sound output).
>
> Selecting the HDA ATI SB card in alsamixer (F6) was fruitless (although
> you can eventually unmute muted channels there to positive effect).
>
> I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
> profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
> chip on.
>
> As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
> headphones).
>
> I now have sound through the headphones.

Still nothing here.

pavucontrol was already installed, so I ran it. It came up in the
Output Devices mode. The window is labeled Volume Control, and it set
to Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958). There is only port
available: Digital Output (S/PDIF).

The Advanced choices is set, and greyed out, to PCM. There's a MPEG
choice, so I selected it to add that to PCM.

The speaker icon (Mute audio) has an 'x' in it. if I click that, the
level indicator goes grey (and is still labeled Mute audio), so I
clicked it again to un-grey the level indicator.

The indicator was up, at what looked like a default level: 100% (0db).
If 100% == 0db, something is very odd to this old audio engineer. 100%
is way above 0db. I raised it up some, to 123% (5.36db).

Below that, the RME Hammerfall is shown, labeled Multichannel Output.
I did nothing there. Maybe I should pull that card -- there's nothing
I can find in PA to select which of the ports to use.

The PA log messages are decent English words -- very nicely done. But
the user settings and the actions are amazingly badly done. As best I
can tell, they don't do what they say they're going to do, or maybe
they just don't have options I can understand (very possible).

I do hear mild clicks when I plug in the headphones, so somebody at
least has power (and what sounds like a small DC offset).

Still no audio in the cans.

-- 
Glenn English

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#193069

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> wrote:

I pulled the Hammerfall card, and it disappeared from the pavucontrol
window. The Audacity and the PA meters still bounce, but there's still
no audio.

-- 
Glenn English

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#193073

Fixed.

Deleted PulseAudio and rebooted, looked at aslamixer (no changes), and
all is well. IMHO, PA is indeed the spawn of Satan, and everybody
responsible for it must be taken out and hanged. And PA must be
removed from the Debian installs and burned.

It's really nice that several responders in this thread are happily
using it. But here, but it took several hours to get sound back in my
headphones.

-- 
Glenn English

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#193077

On 02/24/2018 02:57 PM, Glenn English wrote:
> Fixed.
> 
> Deleted PulseAudio and rebooted, looked at aslamixer (no changes), and
> all is well. IMHO, PA is indeed the spawn of Satan, and everybody
> responsible for it must be taken out and hanged. And PA must be
> removed from the Debian installs and burned.

Sorry but there is no way on earth that all sound systems/devices are 
commonly supported. Get USB devices and they seem to work out of the 
box. No problem removing pulse until you need to easily switch 
outputs/inputs on the fly. Just for kicks, re-install pulse and see if 
it works now. Ric

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#193079

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 9:02 PM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry but there is no way on earth that all sound systems/devices are
> commonly supported. Get USB devices and they seem to work out of the box. No
> problem removing pulse until you need to easily switch outputs/inputs on the
> fly. Just for kicks, re-install pulse and see if it works now. Ric

I believe you, but it worked/works without AP. And I don't need
anything more than what SoX, Audacity, and alsa will do, so I'm a
happy camper.

And, BTW, when I put the RME Hammerfall card back in, alsa quit
working too. The problem was that alsamixer wouldn't save the card I
chose in alsamixer -- it insisted on the RME card. I found, on the
web, a file that defines a card to be alsa's default, and it worked.
Now the RME's no longer a viable choice, but I can edit the
set-default file if I want the RME. Until then, it'll use my mobo
sound chip. Looks like bent software, but there's a workaround.

I'm thinking this might have been the problem I was having with PA --
alsa wouldn't let me select what alsa wanted to use as the default, so
PA never got to it.

But whatever. It's making noise now...

-- 
Glenn English

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#193076

On 02/24/2018 02:10 PM, Glenn English wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> I have two sound devices--HD-AUDIO GENERIC (which corresponds to HDMI)
>> and HDA ATI SB (Realtek chip which I use for sound output).
>>
>> Selecting the HDA ATI SB card in alsamixer (F6) was fruitless (although
>> you can eventually unmute muted channels there to positive effect).
>>
>> I installed pavucontrol, and in the Configuration tab turned the HDMI
>> profile off and the analog duplex output which corresponds to my Realtek
>> chip on.
>>
>> As I have no speakers, in Output Devices I selected headphones (I do have
>> headphones).
>>
>> I now have sound through the headphones.
> 
> Still nothing here.
> 
> pavucontrol was already installed, so I ran it. It came up in the
> Output Devices mode. 

Did you goto the right-most tab "Configuration"? That is where you can 
turns things on/off. Mine is

HDA NVidia 		Off
HDA NVidia 		Off
Built in Audio 		Off
USB Audio Device 	Analog Stereo Output and Analog mono Input
CM106 Like Sound Device Analog Surround 7.1 Output


Turn OFF what you don't need/want and configure what you do have. My 
BEST luck is using USB. Stinkin' stereo jacks have to figure if your 
speakers are directly connected or amplified. Doesn't always work out on 
laptops especially. The USB audio device is my USB stereo headphones, 
and the CM106 Like Sound Device is my USB 7.1 sound setup to blow my 
neighbors into the next county. Hope this helps, USB seems to work best. Ric
-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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