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  troubleshooting Kmail ernst doubt <ernstdoubt25@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 22:10 +0100
    Re: troubleshooting Kmail mark@neidorff.com - 2018-02-17 22:50 +0100
      Re: troubleshooting Kmail David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2018-02-18 10:20 +0100
        Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-18 22:10 +0100
          Re: troubleshooting Kmail deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-18 22:40 +0100
          Re: troubleshooting Kmail mark@neidorff.com - 2018-02-19 16:40 +0100
            Re: troubleshooting Kmail deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 19:20 +0100
              Re: troubleshooting Kmail Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-02-19 20:20 +0100
                Re: troubleshooting Kmail deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-19 21:20 +0100
                  Re: troubleshooting Kmail Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-02-19 21:40 +0100
                    Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-20 00:20 +0100
                  Re: troubleshooting Kmail mark@neidorff.com - 2018-02-19 22:00 +0100
                    Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-20 00:30 +0100
                      Re: troubleshooting Kmail Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-02-20 12:30 +0100
                        Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-20 15:40 +0100
                          Re: troubleshooting Kmail rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-02-20 16:00 +0100
                            Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-20 18:30 +0100
                              Re: troubleshooting Kmail rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-02-21 02:30 +0100
                                Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-21 03:00 +0100
                                  Re: troubleshooting Kmail rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-02-21 04:10 +0100
                                    Re: troubleshooting Kmail Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-02-21 18:30 +0100
                                      Re: troubleshooting Kmail Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 22:10 +0100
                    Re: troubleshooting Kmail deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 08:30 +0100
                      Re: troubleshooting Kmail Mark Neidorff <mark@neidorff.com> - 2018-02-21 01:20 +0100
                        Re: troubleshooting Kmail deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 08:50 +0100
            Re: troubleshooting Kmail Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-02-19 21:30 +0100

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#192581 — troubleshooting Kmail

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I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears there's 
not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.

I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I 
generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite some 
time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've been 
using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but 
recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as 
integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as an 
IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running 
debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning properly, 
but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming email has not 
been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any obvious menu
entries which would give me access to log files in order to try to
troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I
might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it with no 
improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to this 
list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web archives for
responses on which I may not be CCed).

   thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with me,
        ~c

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#192587

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears there's
> not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> 
> I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I
> generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite some
> time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've been
> using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but
> recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as
> integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as an
> IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running
> debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning
> properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming
> email has not been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any
> obvious menu entries which would give me access to log files in order to
> try to troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I
> might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
> receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
> incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it with
> no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to
> this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web
> archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> 
>    thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with me,
> ~c

Ernst,

Things that come to mind...
The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server (google/gmail, is 
what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an email 
message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is saved 
or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server  is 
configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both 
computers?

Mark

Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?

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#192613

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Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply have
to abandon it after all these years.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 11:42 PM <mark@neidorff.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> > I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears
> there's
> > not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> >
> > I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I
> > generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite
> some
> > time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've
> been
> > using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but
> > recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as
> > integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as
> an
> > IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running
> > debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning
> > properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming
> > email has not been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any
> > obvious menu entries which would give me access to log files in order to
> > try to troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how
> I
> > might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
> > receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
> > incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it
> with
> > no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed
> to
> > this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web
> > archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> >
> >    thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with
> me,
> > ~c
>
> Ernst,
>
> Things that come to mind...
> The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server
> (google/gmail, is
> what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an
> email
> message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is
> saved
> or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server
> is
> configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
> Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both
> computers?
>
> Mark
>
> Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?
>
>

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#192622

On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:

> Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
> have to abandon it after all these years.
>
Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions 
of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.

> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 11:42 PM <mark@neidorff.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> > > I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it
> > > appears
> >
> > there's
> >
> > > not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> > >
> > > I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop,
> > > though I generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as
> > > "fallbacks") for quite
> >
> > some
> >
> > > time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user.
> > > I've
> >
> > been
> >
> > > using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some
> > > time, but recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like
> > > it very much, as integration with gnupg was relatively painless).
> > > I am again using it as
> >
> > an
> >
> > > IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both
> > > running debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is
> > > functioning properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing
> > > from now, incoming email has not been appearing since the end of
> > > January. I don't see any obvious menu entries which would give me
> > > access to log files in order to try to troubleshoot the problem,
> > > so I'm looking for any advice as to how
> >
> > I
> >
> > > might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can
> > > again receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple
> > > as an incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to
> > > reenter it
> >
> > with
> >
> > > no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently
> > > subscribed
> >
> > to
> >
> > > this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the
> > > web archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> > >
> > >    thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to
> > > share with
> >
> > me,
> >
> > > ~c
> >
> > Ernst,
> >
> > Things that come to mind...
> > The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server
> > (google/gmail, is
> > what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads
> > an email
> > message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the
> > message is saved
> > or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP
> > server is
> > configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
> > Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both
> > computers?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192624

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.

+1

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#192679

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:02:04 PM EST Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:
> > Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
> > have to abandon it after all these years.
> 
> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.
> 

Thanks Gene,

I've been searching for the TDE e-mail client that you mention and I can't find 
it.  Can you please point me in the right direction?

Mark

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#192703

mark@neidorff.com wrote:

> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:02:04 PM EST Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:
>> > Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
>> > have to abandon it after all these years.
>> 
>> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
>> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.
>> 
> 
> Thanks Gene,
> 
> I've been searching for the TDE e-mail client that you mention and I can't
> find
> it.  Can you please point me in the right direction?
> 
> Mark

It has it's own repository and desktop - its called TDE :)
https://trinitydesktop.org/

What Gene suggested is to stop wasting time with KDE and go for TDE [1]. I
was thinking recently to have a look at KDE as they released KDE5 (Qt5) and
it looked promising, but if they have still same attitude to release broken
stuff and jeopardize user experience and confidence - I won't waste time
for now.

regards

[1]
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation#Installing_from_a_Package_Manager

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#192713

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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:14:35 +0100
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello deloptes,

>was thinking recently to have a look at KDE as they released KDE5 (Qt5)
>and it looked promising, but if they have still same attitude to
>release broken

So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.

That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
about the state of play there.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
It's becoming an obsession
Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods

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#192719

Brad Rogers wrote:

> So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> 

yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.

> That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> about the state of play there.

but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

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#192723

On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 21:16:20 +0100, deloptes wrote:

> Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> > the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> > 
> 
> yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
> I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.
> 
> > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> > about the state of play there.
> 
> but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
> And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

This is the second time you have ascribed dubious motives to the KDE
team. Technical criticisms are within the bounds of posting to -user;
crediting them with some unspecified "attitude" and disregarding fixing
"broken stuff" isn't.

-- 
Brian.

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#192732

On Monday 19 February 2018 15:33:55 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 21:16:20 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that
> > > were, in the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found
> > > anything wrong at all.
> >
> > yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was
> > there. I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is
> > impressive.
> >
> > > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't
> > > comment about the state of play there.
> >
> > but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail
> > user. And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE
> > team.
>
> This is the second time you have ascribed dubious motives to the KDE
> team. Technical criticisms are within the bounds of posting to -user;
> crediting them with some unspecified "attitude" and disregarding
> fixing "broken stuff" isn't.

Even if its true? I have, in the past, been told off by Mr. Ingo Klocker. 
The net result is that I'm useing TDE on my two most powerfull machines. 
And I will continue to promote it as a stable, just works, alternative 
to the high speed blender throwing stuff on the walls that is kde.
Or was at about 4.0. No clue what it is now. The kmail problem that 
resulted in my final msg from Mr. Klocker, has since been more than 
alleviated by offloading its mail fetching duties to fetchmail and 
procmail, coupled to kmail by a bash script I wrote using inotifywait, 
so the 2 minute freeze while it fetches mail from my isp's server, is 
now a fraction of a second while it fetches the mail 
from /var/spool/mail after being told over dbus that mail has arrived.. 

I'm basically a lazy old (83) coot, who handles his incoming mail by 
using the plus key to goto the next unread message, if its something I 
might help with, click on the correct reply format, start typing in the 
composer that appears, when done, ctrl-return sends it and the plus key 
brings up the next msg until there are none left. Or I have to leave and 
take care of my fading (repaired broken hip, late stage COPD) wife.  How 
much simpler can it get?

That bash script? Just ask.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192728

On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16:20 PM EST deloptes wrote:
> Brad Rogers wrote:
> > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> > the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> 
> yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
> I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.
> 
> > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> > about the state of play there.
> 
> but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
> And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in 
stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering extensively. 
Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE session, filtering was OK, 
but it slowed down with use.  In the latest version, it is extremely fast, and 
it doesn't get slower with use.  The only "bug" I have found in this version 
of kmail (5.5.2) is that an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder and 
can't be removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per file--and 
except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over 126,000 
messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched through the 
individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find files for the ghost 
messages.

If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that they are 
not full time KDE programmers and customer service is probably not their 
strong suit.  

I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless) announced 
that there would be a new version of the on-line access software coming out on 
January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they announced that the upgrade had 
some unresolved issues, and would not be rolled out until February 1st.  
February 1st arrived and passed.  The new software was put in place on the 
12th.  Since then, I have been unable to login to my account.  No help on the 
screen.  When I called last week, they said that they were ware of the problem 
and were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me my 
balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.

Mark

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#192735

On Monday 19 February 2018 15:52:37 mark@neidorff.com wrote:

> On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16:20 PM EST deloptes wrote:
> > Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that
> > > were, in the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found
> > > anything wrong at all.
> >
> > yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was
> > there. I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is
> > impressive.
> >
> > > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't
> > > comment about the state of play there.
> >
> > but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail
> > user. And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE
> > team.
>
> I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in
> stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering
> extensively. Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE
> session, filtering was OK, but it slowed down with use.  In the latest
> version, it is extremely fast, and it doesn't get slower with use. 
> The only "bug" I have found in this version of kmail (5.5.2) is that
> an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder and can't be
> removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per file--and
> except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over
> 126,000 messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched
> through the individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find
> files for the ghost messages.
>
> If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that
> they are not full time KDE programmers and customer service is
> probably not their strong suit.
>
> I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
> In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless)
> announced that there would be a new version of the on-line access
> software coming out on January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they
> announced that the upgrade had some unresolved issues, and would not
> be rolled out until February 1st. February 1st arrived and passed. 
> The new software was put in place on the 12th.  Since then, I have
> been unable to login to my account.  No help on the screen.  When I
> called last week, they said that they were ware of the problem and
> were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me
> my balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.
>
> Mark

That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone call 
generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and they know 
it.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192763

On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone call 
> generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and they know 
> it.

Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?

Of course here they don't have those quaint little Mom and Pop local
banks like they do in America, where maybe five digits (to the left of
the decimal point!) might mean something; but the big boys couldn't care
less about five, five is cacahuètes, you need at least seven to get
anyone's attention (as in customer service) and probably more like
eight.

-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

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#192769

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:

> On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone
> > call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and
> > they know it.
>
> Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?
>
No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.

> Of course here they don't have those quaint little Mom and Pop local
> banks like they do in America, where maybe five digits (to the left of
> the decimal point!) might mean something; but the big boys couldn't
> care less about five, five is cacahuètes, you need at least seven to
> get anyone's attention (as in customer service) and probably more like
> eight.

This is a multistate banking concern. Yet they do care.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192771

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 09:35:33 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:
> > On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone
> > > call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and
> > > they know it.
> > 
> > Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?

Just for the record, back in my working days, I had an agreement with my boss 
that if I needed more money I could add as many digits as I wanted to the 
right of the decimal place.
 
> No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.

I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post / email.

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#192778

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 09:35:33 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a
> > > > phone call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is
> > > > there, and they know it.
> > >
> > > Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?
>
> Just for the record, back in my working days, I had an agreement with
> my boss that if I needed more money I could add as many digits as I
> wanted to the right of the decimal place.
>
> > No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.
>
> I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> email.

twasn't too smart...



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192802

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:20:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> > email.
> 
> twasn't too smart...

And I should have sent that sentence to you privately, and encrypted if I 
could.  Sorry.

Have a good evening!

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#192803

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 20:29:07 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:20:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> > > email.
> >
> > twasn't too smart...
>
> And I should have sent that sentence to you privately, and encrypted
> if I could.  Sorry.
>
> Have a good evening!

Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#192805

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 08:57:27 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.

Woof?  The dog?

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