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  Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 08:10 +0100
    Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 09:00 +0100
      Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 13:50 +0100
        Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-02-17 20:30 +0100
          Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 20:40 +0100
            Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-02-18 02:40 +0100
              Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-02-18 04:00 +0100
    Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2018-02-17 12:50 +0100
      Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 14:30 +0100
        Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 14:40 +0100

#192531 — Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my 
goals using MATE's workspaces.

I found one reference stating explicitly that it cannot be done.
<https://www.datamation.com/open-source/linux-virtual-workspaces-how-do-they-differ.html>
> Workspaces in Mate can be individually named, but they share the same 
> wallpaper and desktop icons with each other.

Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.

How might this be done?
TIA

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#192532

Richard Owlett wrote:

> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.
> 
> How might this be done?

Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine and
then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use light
weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
can configure the background per workspace.

regards

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#192540

On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
>> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
>> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.
>>
>> How might this be done?
> 
> Hi,
> first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine and
> then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
> Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
> 
> If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use light
> weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
> can configure the background per workspace.
> 

Asking on a local users group led to
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration>
which describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System>
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
 
<https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>
which links to
 
<https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>,
 
<https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-makes-a-classic-linux-desktop-classic-1.html>, 
and
   <https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/>

I've reading to do.
Thank you.

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#192573

On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
>>> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
>>> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
>>> device.
>>>
>>> How might this be done?
>>
>> Hi,
>> first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine 
>> and
>> then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
>> Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
>>
>> If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
>> light
>> weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
>> can configure the background per workspace.
>>
> 
> Asking on a local users group led to
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration>
> which describes what triggered my thoughts.
> It links to  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System>
> which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
> user experience I want.
> 
> In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
> 
> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>
> which links to
> 
> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>,
> 
> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-makes-a-classic-linux-desktop-classic-1.html>, 
> and
>    <https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/>
> 
> I've reading to do.
> Thank you.

Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):

http://ltsp.org/


David

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#192575

On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
>>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
>>>> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent 
>>>> terminals.
>>>> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
>>>> device.
>>>>
>>>> How might this be done?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> first you write you want to have independent terminals on your 
>>> machine and
>>> then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
>>> Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
>>>
>>> If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
>>> light
>>> weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There 
>>> you
>>> can configure the background per workspace.
>>>
>>
>> Asking on a local users group led to
>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration>
>> which describes what triggered my thoughts.
>> It links to  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System>
>> which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
>> user experience I want.
>>
>> In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
>>
>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>
>> which links to
>>
>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>, 
>>
>>
>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-makes-a-classic-linux-desktop-classic-1.html>, 
>> and
>>    <https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/>
>>
>> I've reading to do.
>> Thank you.
> 
> Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):
> 
> http://ltsp.org/
> 

I don't think so.
ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
Thanks.

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#192600

On 02/17/18 11:32, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
>>>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
>>>>> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent 
>>>>> terminals.
>>>>> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
>>>>> device.
>>>>>
>>>>> How might this be done?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> first you write you want to have independent terminals on your 
>>>> machine and
>>>> then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
>>>> Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
>>>> light
>>>> weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. 
>>>> There you
>>>> can configure the background per workspace.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Asking on a local users group led to
>>>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration>
>>> which describes what triggered my thoughts.
>>> It links to  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System>
>>> which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
>>> user experience I want.
>>>
>>> In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
>>>
>>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html> 
>>>
>>> which links to
>>>
>>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>, 
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-makes-a-classic-linux-desktop-classic-1.html>, 
>>> and
>>>    <https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/>
>>>
>>> I've reading to do.
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):
>>
>> http://ltsp.org/
>>
> 
> I don't think so.
> ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
> The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
> Thanks.

Other ideas include:

1.  Create additional user accounts and use different and/or customized 
desktop environments on each.

2.  Install a hypervisor (e.g. VirtualBox, KVM, Xen, VMware, etc.) and 
run one or more virtual machines, each different and/or customized.


David

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#192601

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 17:38:00 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
> On 02/17/18 11:32, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
> >>>>Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
> >>>>>It is routine for one machine to support multiple
> >>>>>independent terminals.
> >>>>>Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on
> >>>>>the host device.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How might this be done?
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>first you write you want to have independent terminals on
> >>>>your machine and
> >>>>then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
> >>>>Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you want to configure your workspaces differently and
> >>>>want to use light
> >>>>weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of
> >>>>KDE3. There you
> >>>>can configure the background per workspace.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Asking on a local users group led to
> >>>   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration>
> >>>which describes what triggered my thoughts.
> >>>It links to  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System>
> >>>which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
> >>>user experience I want.
> >>>
> >>>In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
> >>>
> >>><https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>
> >>>
> >>>which links to
> >>>
> >>><https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html>,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>><https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-makes-a-classic-linux-desktop-classic-1.html>,
> >>>and
> >>>   <https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/>
> >>>
> >>>I've reading to do.
> >>>Thank you.
> >>
> >>Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):
> >>
> >>http://ltsp.org/
> >>
> >
> >I don't think so.
> >ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
> >The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
> >Thanks.
> 
> Other ideas include:
> 
> 1.  Create additional user accounts and use different and/or
> customized desktop environments on each.

I don't know anything about logging in through a Display Manager
as I use startx and fvwm. However, as such, I can login on VC1
as usual and start my X session with its 20 "workspaces" (for want
of a better word).
I can then login (as myself) on VC2 and startx again and have
another X session ($DISPLAY is now :1) with another 20 workspaces.

I've always started X with:

$ type xxx
xxx is a function
xxx () 
{ 
    local TIMESTAMP="$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S)";
    [ -z "$1" ] && : >| "$HOME/.xsession-errors";
    printf '%s\n' "zzzyyyxxx $HOSTNAME $TIMESTAMP" >>
    "$HOME/.xsession-errors";
    /usr/bin/X11/startx >> "$HOME/.xsession-errors" 2>&1 &
}
$ 

so I started the second X session with
$ xxx x
to make both X servers share $HOME/.xsession-errors.

It would be a simple matter to sidestep this issue in the same
way as starts does, by testing
 [ -e "/tmp/.X$d-lock" -o -S "/tmp/.X11-unix/X$d" ]
to see what's currently running and then naming the log files
differently. Ditto for .fvwm-std{err,out}.

Naturally, the .xsession* and .fvwm/* files (whichever one uses)
could also take account of the $DISPLAY value to determine
which applications should be made available in each X server.

> 2.  Install a hypervisor (e.g. VirtualBox, KVM, Xen, VMware, etc.)
> and run one or more virtual machines, each different and/or
> customized.

More than I know how to do.

Cheers,
David.

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#192538

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On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:08:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
> using MATE's workspaces.

I've read this post over, several times, but can't work out what your
actual question is. Could you restate it plainly?

Cheers,
Tom

-- 
Suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism.
		-- Donald Kaul

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#192547

On 02/17/2018 05:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:08:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
>> using MATE's workspaces.
> 
> I've read this post over, several times, but can't work out what your
> actual question is. Could you restate it plainly?

See my reply to deloptes.
I was told by English professors since the 60's that my composition 
skills lack ... ;/

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#192549

Richard Owlett wrote:

> See my reply to deloptes.
> I was told by English professors since the 60's that my composition
> skills lack ... ;/

:D and for the past 55y you did not improve :D - you should be ashamed!

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