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  Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-16 13:40 +0100
    Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-02-16 18:00 +0100
      Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-16 21:00 +0100
        Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-02-16 22:00 +0100
          Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-16 22:50 +0100
            Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-16 23:10 +0100
          Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-16 23:00 +0100
            Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-02-19 14:10 +0100
              Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-19 15:00 +0100
              Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 07:40 +0100
                Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-02-28 13:50 +0100
                  Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2018-02-28 14:10 +0100
                    Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 18:10 +0100
                      Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-03-02 01:30 +0100
                Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-28 14:30 +0100
                  Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 15:10 +0100
                    Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-28 16:20 +0100
                      Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-02-28 16:40 +0100
                        Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-02-28 16:50 +0100
                        Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-28 17:50 +0100
                          Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-03-02 01:30 +0100
                  Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-03-02 01:40 +0100
    [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 04:40 +0100
      Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-02-17 11:30 +0100
        Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-02-17 12:20 +0100
          Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 14:20 +0100
        Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 14:00 +0100
      Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-02-17 14:20 +0100
        Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 15:30 +0100
      Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 14:50 +0100
        Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 15:40 +0100
          Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 16:10 +0100
            Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces  effectively Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 16:40 +0100
              Re: [likely out of luck] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-02-17 17:20 +0100
                Re: [likely out of luck] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 17:50 +0100
                Re: [likely out of luck] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 20:30 +0100
                  Re: [likely out of luck] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 20:50 +0100
                    Re: [likely out of luck] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-19 18:40 +0100
                      Re: [likely out of luck] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-02-19 20:00 +0100
                  Re: [likely out of luck] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-02-17 22:10 +0100
                    [ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR] -- Re: [likely out of luck] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-02-17 22:50 +0100
                      Re: [ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-02-17 23:10 +0100
                      Re: [ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR] -- Re: [likely out of luck] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 23:30 +0100
                  Re: [likely out of luck] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-02-17 22:10 +0100
                    Re: [likely out of luck] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 22:30 +0100
                      Re: [likely out of luck] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-02-17 22:50 +0100
                        Re: [likely out of luck] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-17 23:20 +0100
            fvwm resources, was Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's  workspaces effectively David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-02-17 17:20 +0100

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#192500 — Using MATE's workspaces effectively

I have no problem with different applications being open in each workspace.

What I would like would be to be able to do is have differing sets of 
applications available in each workspace.

Currently all workspaces have icons to access _identical sets_ of 
applications.

For example one might have one workspace having a set of tools for 
writing/debugging software, another with a set of tools for researching 
Mesopotamian Architecture, and one focused on creating a weekly blog 
discussing advances in fly fishing.

I chose disparate sets too convey an idea I couldn't describe well.
Is there a more appropriate tool that maintains the "look and feel" of 
the MATE desktop? Comments?
TIA

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#192514

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have no problem with different applications being open in each workspace.
>
> What I would like would be to be able to do is have differing sets of 
> applications available in each workspace.
...

  under System->Preferences->Personal->Options make sure
you have checked the box for automatically remembering
started applications.

  then, set up your workspaces and when you turn off the
machine use System->Shutdown->Shutdown and it should remember
all of your open windows and where they were located.

  works for me...


  songbird

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#192522

On 02/16/2018 10:53 AM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I have no problem with different applications being open in each workspace.
>>
>> What I would like would be to be able to do is have differing sets of
>> applications available in each workspace.
> ...
> 
>    under System->Preferences->Personal->Options make sure
> you have checked the box for automatically remembering
> started applications.
> 
>    then, set up your workspaces and when you turn off the
> machine use System->Shutdown->Shutdown and it should remember
> all of your open windows and where they were located.
> 
>    works for me...

That's not quite what I'm trying to accomplish.
When I shut down the machine for the day I want to exit all apps.
I currently get pretty much that. If an application has modified a file 
but not saved it, I'm prompted for instructions.


What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications 
available in each workspace.

Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of 
applications.

I wish each workspace to have a set of tools applicable for a specific 
project.

For example:
Workspace 1 devoted to programming would have a programmer's text 
editor, compile/link/load utilities, and an IDE.
Workspace 2 devoted to a dissertation on Mesopotamian Architecture 
would have a word processor, note taking software, an outlining utility, 
and a link to a browser to bring up the university's online catalog.
Workspace 3 devoted to a fishing blog would have web authoring tools.

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#192523

Richard Owlett wrote:
...
> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications 
> available in each workspace.

  i understood you the first time you wrote that.


> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of 
> applications.

  something is set to do that then, because i can set all of
my workspaces with different applications open in each of them.

  do you have "Always on Visible Workspace" set instead of
"Only on this Workspace"?  [right click on window or on item
at the bottom of the screen...]

  i never shutdown without checking all desktops for things that
need to be saved.  but more importantly remember that if you
don't use shutdown after the first time it will restart them all
as you had them when you did shutdown.

  my normal end of session routine is to use the "shutdown -h now"
command as root which kills everything and does not alter what is 
opened next time.

  when i want to make changes to my desktops then i do use
the menu shutdown and that then records the changes as 
desired.


  songbird

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#192524

On 2/16/18, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> ...
>> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications
>> available in each workspace.
>
>   i understood you the first time you wrote that.
>
>
>> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of
>> applications.
>
>   something is set to do that then, because i can set all of
> my workspaces with different applications open in each of them.
>
>   do you have "Always on Visible Workspace" set instead of
> "Only on this Workspace"?  [right click on window or on item
> at the bottom of the screen...]
>
>   i never shutdown without checking all desktops for things that
> need to be saved.  but more importantly remember that if you
> don't use shutdown after the first time it will restart them all
> as you had them when you did shutdown.
>
>   my normal end of session routine is to use the "shutdown -h now"
> command as root which kills everything and does not alter what is
> opened next time.
>
>   when i want to make changes to my desktops then i do use
> the menu shutdown and that then records the changes as
> desired.


What about a new personalized "panel"?

Cindy.....
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#192526

On 02/16/2018 03:41 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 2/16/18, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> ...
>>> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications
>>> available in each workspace.
>>
>>    i understood you the first time you wrote that.
>>
>>
>>> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of
>>> applications.
>>
>>    something is set to do that then, because i can set all of
>> my workspaces with different applications open in each of them.
>>
>>    do you have "Always on Visible Workspace" set instead of
>> "Only on this Workspace"?  [right click on window or on item
>> at the bottom of the screen...]
>>
>>    i never shutdown without checking all desktops for things that
>> need to be saved.  but more importantly remember that if you
>> don't use shutdown after the first time it will restart them all
>> as you had them when you did shutdown.
>>
>>    my normal end of session routine is to use the "shutdown -h now"
>> command as root which kills everything and does not alter what is
>> opened next time.
>>
>>    when i want to make changes to my desktops then i do use
>> the menu shutdown and that then records the changes as
>> desired.
> 
> 
> What about a new personalized "panel"?
> 
> Cindy.....
> 

If PANELa was visible only in WORKSPACE1
AND
IF PANELb was visible only in WORKSPACE2

That might be even a better solution -- leaving things you *ALWAYS* want 
available to reside on desktop.

How?
TIA

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#192525

On 02/16/2018 02:51 PM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> ...
>> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications
>> available in each workspace.
> 
>    i understood you the first time you wrote that.

<groan> and/or <grin>
I beg to differ ;<

In my initial post I attempted to describe what I wanted.
In my last post I gave a concrete {even if contrived} example of goal.

This time I'll borrow from set theory.
*CAVEAT LECTOR* Last time I saw set theory was in <Logic 101 "An 
Introduction to Logic"> circa 1962.
>> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of
>> applications.

This may be crux of issue.
I used "set" in the set theory sense.
I said *nothing" about what was open anywhere/anywhen.
IOW
WORKSPACE1's desktop displays only launch icons from SETalpha
WORKSPACE2's desktop displays launch icons from SETbeta and SETgamma
WORKSPACE3's desktop displays only launch icons from the intersection of 
SETomicron and SETzeta



> 
>    something is set to do that then, because i can set all of
> my workspaces with different applications open in each of them.
> 
>    do you have "Always on Visible Workspace" set instead of
> "Only on this Workspace"?  [right click on window or on item
> at the bottom of the screen...]
> 
>    i never shutdown without checking all desktops for things that
> need to be saved.  but more importantly remember that if you
> don't use shutdown after the first time it will restart them all
> as you had them when you did shutdown.
> 
>    my normal end of session routine is to use the "shutdown -h now"
> command as root which kills everything and does not alter what is
> opened next time.
> 
>    when i want to make changes to my desktops then i do use
> the menu shutdown and that then records the changes as
> desired.
> 
> 
>    songbird
> 
> 

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#192655

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/16/2018 02:51 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> ...
>>> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications
>>> available in each workspace.
>> 
>>    i understood you the first time you wrote that.
>
><groan> and/or <grin>
> I beg to differ ;<
>
> In my initial post I attempted to describe what I wanted.
> In my last post I gave a concrete {even if contrived} example of goal.
>
> This time I'll borrow from set theory.
> *CAVEAT LECTOR* Last time I saw set theory was in <Logic 101 "An 
> Introduction to Logic"> circa 1962.
>>> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of
>>> applications.
>
> This may be crux of issue.
> I used "set" in the set theory sense.
> I said *nothing" about what was open anywhere/anywhen.
> IOW
> WORKSPACE1's desktop displays only launch icons from SETalpha
> WORKSPACE2's desktop displays launch icons from SETbeta and SETgamma
> WORKSPACE3's desktop displays only launch icons from the intersection of 
> SETomicron and SETzeta

  *shrug*

  you want launchers instead of actually running
programs?  in this age of SSDs and plenty of memory
i can tell you that i get done exactly what you want
with groups of programs running in each desired
desktop and it doesn't involve me having to wait
for anything to start or click on when i change
desktops...

  if i don't change anything in most of the open 
applications then it doesn't matter if i kill them
off by shutting down from a command line.  next time
i boot the machine they're there waiting for me by
the time i sit down.

  so to me you are making more work for yourself 
having to click items open.

  installing a completely different desktop just 
because you don't like what is in the panel or on the 
desktop (mate tweak will turn off all or some of the 
desktop icons) for launchers strikes me as throwing
out the baby with the bathwater.

  another option (of similar sillyness IMO) is to
set up a different user for each group of items you
want in the desktop and panel.  it isn't too bad to
switch users and you can have your most common first
desktop/user logged in automatically when you boot
up.  but, again, oy...


  songbird

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#192667

On 02/19/2018 07:06 AM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 02/16/2018 02:51 PM, songbird wrote:
>>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> What I would like would be to have differing sets of applications
>>>> available in each workspace.
>>>
>>>     i understood you the first time you wrote that.
>>
>> <groan> and/or <grin>
>> I beg to differ ;<
>>
>> In my initial post I attempted to describe what I wanted.
>> In my last post I gave a concrete {even if contrived} example of goal.
>>
>> This time I'll borrow from set theory.
>> *CAVEAT LECTOR* Last time I saw set theory was in <Logic 101 "An
>> Introduction to Logic"> circa 1962.
>>>> Currently all workspaces have icons to access *_identical sets_* of
>>>> applications.
>>
>> This may be crux of issue.
>> I used "set" in the set theory sense.
>> I said *nothing" about what was open anywhere/anywhen.
>> IOW
>> WORKSPACE1's desktop displays only launch icons from SETalpha
>> WORKSPACE2's desktop displays launch icons from SETbeta and SETgamma
>> WORKSPACE3's desktop displays only launch icons from the intersection of
>> SETomicron and SETzeta
> 
>    *shrug*
> 
>    you want launchers instead of actually running
> programs?  in this age of SSDs and plenty of memory
> i can tell you that i get done exactly what you want
> with groups of programs running in each desired
> desktop and it doesn't involve me having to wait
> for anything to start or click on when i change
> desktops...
> 
>    if i don't change anything in most of the open
> applications then it doesn't matter if i kill them
> off by shutting down from a command line.  next time
> i boot the machine they're there waiting for me by
> the time i sit down.
> 
>    so to me you are making more work for yourself
> having to click items open.
> 
>    installing a completely different desktop just
> because you don't like what is in the panel or on the
> desktop (mate tweak will turn off all or some of the
> desktop icons) for launchers strikes me as throwing
> out the baby with the bathwater.
> 
>    another option (of similar sillyness IMO) is to
> set up a different user for each group of items you
> want in the desktop and panel.  it isn't too bad to
> switch users and you can have your most common first
> desktop/user logged in automatically when you boot
> up.  but, again, oy...
> 
> 
>    songbird
> 
> 

Our minds evidently work in different vector spaces ;}
Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
This morning I've been reading
 
<http://cs.brown.edu/courses/cs009/02/Linux_intro/GettingStarted.html>  and
   <http://fvwm-crystal.sourceforge.net/>

I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal as optimal for my 
idiosyncratic preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens <grin!>
{ I *AM* a "learn by doing" type.}
Thank you.

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#193207

On 02/19/2018 05:06 AM, songbird wrote:
> you want launchers instead of actually running
> programs?  in this age of SSDs and plenty of memory
> i can tell you that i get done exactly what you want
> with groups of programs running in each desired
> desktop and it doesn't involve me having to wait
> for anything to start or click on when i change
> desktops...
>
>    if i don't change anything in most of the open
> applications then it doesn't matter if i kill them
> off by shutting down from a command line.  next time
> i boot the machine they're there waiting for me by
> the time i sit down.
>
>    so to me you are making more work for yourself
> having to click items open.
>
>    installing a completely different desktop just
> because you don't like what is in the panel or on the
> desktop (mate tweak will turn off all or some of the
> desktop icons) for launchers strikes me as throwing
> out the baby with the bathwater.
>
>    another option (of similar sillyness IMO) is to
> set up a different user for each group of items you
> want in the desktop and panel.  it isn't too bad to
> switch users and you can have your most common first
> desktop/user logged in automatically when you boot
> up.  but, again, oy...
>
>
>    songbird
>
There are three users on my system.  Myself, my wife and my daughter.  
When the system is booted we each log on and run startx.  I log on from 
tty1, my wife and daughter are on tty2 and tty3.  All it takes to switch 
from one login to another is ctl-alt-f1, ctl-alt-f2, or ctl-alt-f3.  The 
switch is instantaneous.  Just remember -- they are separate logins.  
You can not copy and paste from one to another.


Marc


alias startx='clear; startx -- :0'

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#193219

Marc Shapiro wrote:
...
> There are three users on my system.  Myself, my wife and my daughter.  
> When the system is booted we each log on and run startx.  I log on from 
> tty1, my wife and daughter are on tty2 and tty3.  All it takes to switch 
> from one login to another is ctl-alt-f1, ctl-alt-f2, or ctl-alt-f3.  The 
> switch is instantaneous.  Just remember -- they are separate logins.  
> You can not copy and paste from one to another.

  it is a single person using things here.  when
i turn on the PC it boots directly into the MATE
desktop and all the workspaces are ready to go (via
lightdm auto login set up).  with the SSD by the time
i turn on the power and sit back down everything is 
ready to go.

  i definitely am enjoying my newer computer.  fast,
quiet (nearly fanless), low power and plenty of 
capacity when i do need it.

  the only real negatives of the newer monitor is
that the scaling of fonts/menus/window sizes is set
so small and not easily adjustable in the program
itself that i have to change my monitor screen size
in order to be able to read the menu items or see
what is going on.  not everything pays attention to
system font settings.


  songbird

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#193220

On Wed, 2018-02-28 at 06:50 -0500, songbird wrote:
> 
>   the only real negatives of the newer monitor is
> that the scaling of fonts/menus/window sizes is set
> so small and not easily adjustable in the program
> itself that i have to change my monitor screen size
> in order to be able to read the menu items or see
> what is going on.  not everything pays attention to
> system font settings.
> 
> 
>   songbird
> 

Maybe upscaling would help a lot here, it does when I output on hdmi,
with Mate that's
System - Preferences - look and feel - appearance 
then
fonts - detail - resolution 
I set mine to around 144 and leave system fonts the same and then the
vast majority of programs will respect that and be of a readable size
at high monitor resolution.
 
I guess with other desktops you could set it easily enough in an
.Xresources file that runs on entering X-server

You will of course find occasional programs that completely ignore
this.

Cheers,
Dom.

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#193231

On 2018-02-28, Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-02-28 at 06:50 -0500, songbird wrote:
>> 
>>   the only real negatives of the newer monitor is
>> that the scaling of fonts/menus/window sizes is set
>> so small and not easily adjustable in the program
>> itself that i have to change my monitor screen size
>> in order to be able to read the menu items or see
>> what is going on.  not everything pays attention to
>> system font settings.
>> 
>> 
>>   songbird
>> 
>
> Maybe upscaling would help a lot here, it does when I output on hdmi,
> with Mate that's
> System - Preferences - look and feel - appearance 
> then
> fonts - detail - resolution 
> I set mine to around 144 and leave system fonts the same and then the
> vast majority of programs will respect that and be of a readable size
> at high monitor resolution.
>  
> I guess with other desktops you could set it easily enough in an
> .Xresources file that runs on entering X-server
>
> You will of course find occasional programs that completely ignore
> this.
>
> Cheers,
> Dom.
>
>

Those misbehaving programs are probably getting their DPI information
from the X server directly. If you start X with the '-dpi 144' switch
then you should get consistent behaviour.

For example:

	startx -- -dpi 144

-- 

Liam

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#193261

Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2018-02-28, Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> wrote:
...
>> Maybe upscaling would help a lot here, it does when I output on hdmi,
>> with Mate that's
>> System - Preferences - look and feel - appearance 
>> then
>> fonts - detail - resolution 
>> I set mine to around 144 and leave system fonts the same and then the
>> vast majority of programs will respect that and be of a readable size
>> at high monitor resolution.
>>  
>> I guess with other desktops you could set it easily enough in an
>> .Xresources file that runs on entering X-server
>>
>> You will of course find occasional programs that completely ignore
>> this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dom.
>>
>>
>
> Those misbehaving programs are probably getting their DPI information
> from the X server directly. If you start X with the '-dpi 144' switch
> then you should get consistent behaviour.
>
> For example:
>
> 	startx -- -dpi 144

  i'd need to hook this up with lightdm and MATE and
i have not looked into this at all as to where it might
go, but i'll try the upscaling first and see how the
miscreants react before getting out the shotgun 
approach.

  thanks to both of you.  :)


  songbird

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#193221

On 02/28/2018 12:32 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> [snip]
> There are three users on my system.  Myself, my wife and my daughter. 
> When the system is booted we each log on and run startx.  I log onfrom 
> tty1, my wife and daughter are on tty2 and tty3.  All it takes to switch 
> from one login to another is ctl-alt-f1, ctl-alt-f2, or ctl-alt-f3. The 
> switch is instantaneous.  Just remember -- they are separate logins. You 
> can not copy and paste from one to another.
> 
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> alias startx='clear; startx -- :0'
> 

Interesting.
It does not match my mental image that prompted this thread. That is 
better matched by the concept of desktops from fvwm.

However, it would solve a problem that I had assumed had to be endured.
I frequently have a workflow needing root access for which I don't find 
"su" convenient causing me to logout as 'richard' and login as 'root' 
and back again.

Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a 
man page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched 
<https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in Chinese.

What did you do immediately after installation to set this up?
What should I be reading?
[If it makes a difference, I use Stretch including systemd.]

TIA

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#193223

Richard Owlett writes:
> Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man
> page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched
> <https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in Chinese.

"Alias" is a shell command.  man bash
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#193224

On 02/28/2018 08:09 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
>> Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man
>> page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched
>> <https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in Chinese.
> 
> "Alias" is a shell command.  man bash
> 

With "weeping and gnashing of teeth", may I quote 
<https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/bash/bash.1.en.html>  ;<

Under "BUGS" it explicitly states:
> Aliases are confusing in some uses. 

I *AGREE*!
I followed links to man pages for startx and xinit without benefit.

Elucidation needed.
TIA

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#193226

On Wed 28 Feb 2018 at 09:12:43 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/28/2018 08:09 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> >Richard Owlett writes:
> >>Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man
> >>page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched
> >><https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in Chinese.
> >
> >"Alias" is a shell command.  man bash
> >
> 
> With "weeping and gnashing of teeth", may I quote
> <https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/bash/bash.1.en.html>  ;<
> 
> Under "BUGS" it explicitly states:
> >Aliases are confusing in some uses.
> 
> I *AGREE*!
> I followed links to man pages for startx and xinit without benefit.
> 
> Elucidation needed.
> TIA

Google    bash aliases
Top hit: full explanation at
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html

Is that difficult?

Cheers,
David.

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#193227

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 09:34:56AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> Google    bash aliases
> Top hit: full explanation at
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html
> 
> Is that difficult?

You may also run "help alias" inside bash to get the brief help synopsis,
since this is a bash builtin command.

Use "type help" to learn that this is a builtin command instead of an
external command.

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#193230

On 02/28/2018 09:34 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 28 Feb 2018 at 09:12:43 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 02/28/2018 08:09 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Richard Owlett writes:
>>>> Taking [ alias startx='clear; startx -- :0' ] as a hint I looked for a man
>>>> page for "alias". There wasn't one available locally. I searched
>>>> <https://manpages.debian.org/> and found only a page written in Chinese.
>>>
>>> "Alias" is a shell command.  man bash
>>>
>>
>> With "weeping and gnashing of teeth", may I quote
>> <https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/bash/bash.1.en.html>  ;<
>>
>> Under "BUGS" it explicitly states:
>>> Aliases are confusing in some uses.
>>
>> I *AGREE*!
>> I followed links to man pages for startx and xinit without benefit.
>>
>> Elucidation needed.
>> TIA
> 
> Google    bash aliases
> Top hit: full explanation at
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html
> 
> Is that difficult?
> 

No.
BUT it clarifies nothing.

Nor did the first half dozen entries using those search terms on DuckDuckGo.

I had already searched wiki.debian.org .

I repeat my question, which has been snipped in this thread.
> What did you do immediately after installation to set this up?
> What should I be reading?
> [If it makes a difference, I use Stretch including systemd.] 

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