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  new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-10 22:50 +0200
    Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 02:30 +0200
      Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 06:20 +0200
    Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 +0200
      Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 06:30 +0200
    Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2018-06-11 05:50 +0200
      Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 06:40 +0200
    Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-06-11 06:20 +0200
      Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 06:40 +0200
        Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-06-14 07:20 +0200
          Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-14 11:00 +0200
            Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-06-15 08:30 +0200
              Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-15 09:50 +0200
    Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Mirko Parthey <mirko.parthey@web.de> - 2018-06-11 12:50 +0200
      Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 13:50 +0200
        Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-14 11:10 +0200
        Re: new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1 Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 11:10 +0200

#196532 — new install of amd64, 9-4 from iso #1

Greetings all;

I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying 
the /dev/sdc slot.

What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home, /, and 
swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive currently 
mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on this new drive 
without arguing with me.

and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives hooked 
up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data from the 
other drives.

How do I best achieve that?

Thanks a bunch.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196534

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying 
> the /dev/sdc slot.
> 
> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home, /, and 
> swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive currently 
> mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on this new drive 
> without arguing with me.
> 
> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives hooked 
> up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data from the 
> other drives.
> 
> How do I best achieve that?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 

1 and 2 are simply a matter of giving the sensible answers to the 
appropriate questions from the installer. I can't remember exactly what 
the options are called but there is an expert partition mode that allows 
you to partition the disk how you want and I'd use that to verify the 
partitions are as you want and not change anything, map the parts of the 
filesystem you want to go on each partition in the installer, then 
continue.

If you don't tell it to install anything to the other disks then it won't.

For 3, I think I need to defer to the grub experts, not sure if you will 
have to preseed your install or if there is an easier way.

Mark

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#196541

On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:23:49 Mark Fletcher wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying
> > the /dev/sdc slot.
> >
> > What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> > /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> > currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> > this new drive without arguing with me.
> >
> > and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> > hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> > from the other drives.
> >
> > How do I best achieve that?
> >
> > Thanks a bunch.
>
> 1 and 2 are simply a matter of giving the sensible answers to the
> appropriate questions from the installer. I can't remember exactly
> what the options are called but there is an expert partition mode that
> allows you to partition the disk how you want and I'd use that to
> verify the partitions are as you want and not change anything, map the
> parts of the filesystem you want to go on each partition in the
> installer, then continue.
>
> If you don't tell it to install anything to the other disks then it
> won't.
>
> For 3, I think I need to defer to the grub experts, not sure if you
> will have to preseed your install or if there is an easier way.
>
> Mark

Thanks Mark.  Are there any grub guru's about for question #3?

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196535

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 16:44:16 -0400 Gene Heskett sent:

> Greetings all;
> 
> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying 
> the /dev/sdc slot.
> 
> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home, /,
> and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> this new drive without arguing with me.
> 
> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> from the other drives.
> 
> How do I best achieve that?


	After contemplation, my reply is:

	The installer will allow you to bypass any partitions you don't
	wish to acknowledge or touch. The others it will use if so
	instructed for the purposes you specify.

If it was me, though it might not be required, /boot, /home, /, and
swap, you have created would be formatted by the installer. Just to be
sure to be sure. I do it this way, but as stated, probably not required.

I'm unsure about the GRUB controls and just how much it shows without
actually asking it to show these? It has been a long time since I put
anything but one Debian operating system on a disk. Also probably in
ways that are not necessarily correct or required.

Sorry I can't help you more.
Charlie
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#196542

On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:55:11 Charlie S wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 16:44:16 -0400 Gene Heskett sent:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying
> > the /dev/sdc slot.
> >
> > What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> > /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> > currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> > this new drive without arguing with me.
> >
> > and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> > hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> > from the other drives.
> >
> > How do I best achieve that?
>
> 	After contemplation, my reply is:
>
> 	The installer will allow you to bypass any partitions you don't
> 	wish to acknowledge or touch. The others it will use if so
> 	instructed for the purposes you specify.
>
> If it was me, though it might not be required, /boot, /home, /, and
> swap, you have created would be formatted by the installer. Just to be
> sure to be sure. I do it this way, but as stated, probably not
> required.
>
> I'm unsure about the GRUB controls and just how much it shows without
> actually asking it to show these? It has been a long time since I put
> anything but one Debian operating system on a disk. Also probably in
> ways that are not necessarily correct or required.


If the resultant disk is 100% self-contained, I can then add the others 
in fstab to be /media/wheezy_this /media/wheezy_that later when I'm 
recovering my kmail database. That won't be until I've installed TDE.
That will be the 2nd operation, first will be to get networking working. 
3rd will be to copy wheezy/home/amanda, become amanda and build/install 
it so I have a working backup.

> Sorry I can't help you more.
> Charlie

Thanks Charlie.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196539

> On Jun 10, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> 
> Greetings all;
> 
> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying 
> the /dev/sdc slot.
> 
> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home, /, and 
> swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive currently 
> mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on this new drive 
> without arguing with me.
> 
> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives hooked 
> up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data from the 
> other drives.
> 
> How do I best achieve that?

As others have pointed out, 1 and 2 are just a matter of using the tools the installer provides.  To accomplish 2, you should probably choose “manual” partitioning.  You may need to choose “expert” mode at boot time for the installer.

As for 3, my approach would be to open up the box and temporarily disconnect the power from the other two disks while installing to the third disk.  After the install you can reconnect the power and you will wind up with two bootable drives. You will then have to choose between them at the BIOS level.

Hope that helps!
Rick

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#196544

On Sunday 10 June 2018 23:41:36 Rick Thomas wrote:

> > On Jun 10, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying
> > the /dev/sdc slot.
> >
> > What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> > /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> > currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> > this new drive without arguing with me.
> >
> > and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> > hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> > from the other drives.
> >
> > How do I best achieve that?
>
> As others have pointed out, 1 and 2 are just a matter of using the
> tools the installer provides.  To accomplish 2, you should probably
> choose “manual” partitioning.  You may need to choose “expert” mode at
> boot time for the installer.
>
> As for 3, my approach would be to open up the box and temporarily
> disconnect the power from the other two disks while installing to the
> third disk.  After the install you can reconnect the power and you
> will wind up with two bootable drives. You will then have to choose
> between them at the BIOS level.

This is made easy because 3 of the drives are in a 3 drive hot swap cage, 
so I can just open the doors and eject them 1/2 an inch. The drive its 
to be installed on is hanging out of the side of the machine.
>
> Hope that helps!
> Rick

Yes, its helpfull Rick, might keep me from shooting myself in the foot. 
Thanks.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196540

On 06/10/18 13:44, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying the 
> /dev/sdc slot.
> 
> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive 
> currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on 
> this new drive without arguing with me.
> 
> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives 
> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data 
> from the other drives.
> 
> How do I best achieve that?


On 06/10/18 20:41, Rick Thomas wrote:
> As others have pointed out, 1 and 2 are just a matter of using the 
> tools the installer provides.  To accomplish 2, you should probably 
> choose “manual” partitioning.  You may need to choose “expert” mode
> at boot time for the installer.
> 
> As for 3, my approach would be to open up the box and temporarily 
> disconnect the power from the other two disks while installing to
> the third disk. 

If you want to disconnect a drive:  disconnect both the power and the 
data cables, so that the data cable cannot back feed the drive electronics.


Disconnect all drives except the new 2 TB drive and your optical drive, 
then boot the installer.  That should solve all three of your 
requirements.  Once you've booted into your fresh OS, edit /etc/crypttab 
and/or /etc/fstab to use UUID's or /dev/disk/* paths to uniquely 
identify the partitions.  (I use MBR partitioning for my system drives, 
and swap partitions appear to lack a UUID.  /dev/disk/* paths seem to 
work for swap partitions on recent Debian distributions.)


You will want to choose "manual" partitioning in the installer to select 
the partitions/ swap spaces/ file systems you have already created.


I don't think "expert" mode is required -- it just seems to make the 
installer steps explicit (?).

> After the install you can reconnect the power and
> you will wind up with two bootable drives. You will then have to
> choose between them at the BIOS level.
I put mobile racks in all my desktop and server cases, and use small 
(16~80 GB) HDD's/SSD's for boot, swap, and root.  When I want a 
different OS, I power down, swap system drives, and boot.


(I keep the local contents of my home directory minimal, put the 
majority of my data into a personal share on my file server, and mount 
that into my home directory.)


David

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#196543

On Monday 11 June 2018 00:16:39 David Christensen wrote:

> On 06/10/18 13:44, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying the
> > /dev/sdc slot.
> >
> > What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> > /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> > currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> > this new drive without arguing with me.
> >
> > and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> > hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> > from the other drives.
> >
> > How do I best achieve that?
>
> On 06/10/18 20:41, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > As others have pointed out, 1 and 2 are just a matter of using the
> > tools the installer provides.  To accomplish 2, you should probably
> > choose “manual” partitioning.  You may need to choose “expert” mode
> > at boot time for the installer.
> >
> > As for 3, my approach would be to open up the box and temporarily
> > disconnect the power from the other two disks while installing to
> > the third disk.
>
> If you want to disconnect a drive:  disconnect both the power and the
> data cables, so that the data cable cannot back feed the drive
> electronics.
>
>
> Disconnect all drives except the new 2 TB drive and your optical
> drive, then boot the installer.  That should solve all three of your
> requirements.  Once you've booted into your fresh OS, edit
> /etc/crypttab and/or /etc/fstab to use UUID's or /dev/disk/* paths to
> uniquely identify the partitions.  (I use MBR partitioning for my
> system drives, and swap partitions appear to lack a UUID.  /dev/disk/*
> paths seem to work for swap partitions on recent Debian
> distributions.)
>
>
> You will want to choose "manual" partitioning in the installer to
> select the partitions/ swap spaces/ file systems you have already
> created.
>
>
> I don't think "expert" mode is required -- it just seems to make the
> installer steps explicit (?).
>
> > After the install you can reconnect the power and
> > you will wind up with two bootable drives. You will then have to
> > choose between them at the BIOS level.
>
> I put mobile racks in all my desktop and server cases, and use small
> (16~80 GB) HDD's/SSD's for boot, swap, and root.  When I want a
> different OS, I power down, swap system drives, and boot.
>
>
> (I keep the local contents of my home directory minimal, put the
> majority of my data into a personal share on my file server, and mount
> that into my home directory.)
>
I can see I need to watch the sales for a good price on 60 to 100 gig 
SSD's. Is there a longer lasting version coming down the line that I 
should be aware of?
>
> David



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196653

On 06/10/18 21:35, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 11 June 2018 00:16:39 David Christensen wrote:
> 
>> On 06/10/18 13:44, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying the
>>> /dev/sdc slot.
>>>
>>> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
>>> /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
>>> currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
>>> this new drive without arguing with me.
>>>
>>> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
>>> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
>>> from the other drives.
>>>
>>> How do I best achieve that?
>>
>> Disconnect all drives except the new 2 TB drive and your optical
>> drive, then boot the installer.  That should solve all three of your
>> requirements.

I thought about that some more, and the GRUB part could get messy if you 
reconnect additional drives with bootable partitions and do a kernel, 
etc., upgrade that runs GRUB.  I avoid that problem by having only one 
system drive installed at a a time.


>> I put mobile racks in all my desktop and server cases, and use small
>> (16~80 GB) HDD's/SSD's for boot, swap, and root.  When I want a
>> different OS, I power down, swap system drives, and boot.
>>
>>
>> (I keep the local contents of my home directory minimal, put the
>> majority of my data into a personal share on my file server, and mount
>> that into my home directory.)
>>
> I can see I need to watch the sales for a good price on 60 to 100 gig
> SSD's. Is there a longer lasting version coming down the line that I
> should be aware of?

I starting buying Intel 520 Series SSD's several years ago.  They are 
well matched to my Intel DQ67SWR/ Intel Core i7-2600S machine (benchmark 
over 500 MB/s, depending).  The last time I checked them with the Intel 
SSD Toolbox, they showed very little wear (99%+ life available?).


For my older P4 machines, I bought used SAMSUNG SSD UM410 Series 2.5" 
16GB drives for $10~15 each.  eBay doesn't seem to have that exact model 
now, but there are other 16 GB SSD's to choose from.


I think most any respectable SSD deployed as a Linux system drive is 
going to outlast the computer it is installed in.


I bought a 2015 MacBook Pro a few months back.  I has a 256 GB SSD with 
an Apple-proprietary four-lane PCIe 3.0 interface (8.0 GT/s, 31.5 
Gbit/s).  Very impressive performance.  The PC equivalent would seem to 
be a motherboard and drive with a NVMe PCIe M.2 interface or with a PCIe 
3.0 4x, 8x, or 16x interface.


PCIe 3D XPoint drives (Intel Optane) seem to be the current king of the 
mountain.


David

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#196660

On Thursday 14 June 2018 01:03:12 David Christensen wrote:

> On 06/10/18 21:35, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 11 June 2018 00:16:39 David Christensen wrote:
> >> On 06/10/18 13:44, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> I have the dvd written, and a new 2T drive currently occupying the
> >>> /dev/sdc slot.
> >>>
> >>> What I want, since the drive has been partitioned to /boot, /home,
> >>> /, and swap, is 1; for this install to not touch any other drive
> >>> currently mounted, and 2; use the partitions I've already setup on
> >>> this new drive without arguing with me.
> >>>
> >>> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> >>> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with
> >>> data from the other drives.
> >>>
> >>> How do I best achieve that?
> >>
> >> Disconnect all drives except the new 2 TB drive and your optical
> >> drive, then boot the installer.  That should solve all three of
> >> your requirements.
>
> I thought about that some more, and the GRUB part could get messy if
> you reconnect additional drives with bootable partitions and do a
> kernel, etc., upgrade that runs GRUB.  I avoid that problem by having
> only one system drive installed at a a time.
>
> >> I put mobile racks in all my desktop and server cases, and use
> >> small (16~80 GB) HDD's/SSD's for boot, swap, and root.  When I want
> >> a different OS, I power down, swap system drives, and boot.
> >>
> >>
> >> (I keep the local contents of my home directory minimal, put the
> >> majority of my data into a personal share on my file server, and
> >> mount that into my home directory.)
> >
> > I can see I need to watch the sales for a good price on 60 to 100
> > gig SSD's. Is there a longer lasting version coming down the line
> > that I should be aware of?
>
> I starting buying Intel 520 Series SSD's several years ago.  They are
> well matched to my Intel DQ67SWR/ Intel Core i7-2600S machine
> (benchmark over 500 MB/s, depending).  The last time I checked them
> with the Intel SSD Toolbox, they showed very little wear (99%+ life
> available?).
>
>
> For my older P4 machines, I bought used SAMSUNG SSD UM410 Series 2.5"
> 16GB drives for $10~15 each.  eBay doesn't seem to have that exact
> model now, but there are other 16 GB SSD's to choose from.
>
>
> I think most any respectable SSD deployed as a Linux system drive is
> going to outlast the computer it is installed in.
>
>
> I bought a 2015 MacBook Pro a few months back.  I has a 256 GB SSD
> with an Apple-proprietary four-lane PCIe 3.0 interface (8.0 GT/s, 31.5
> Gbit/s).  Very impressive performance.  The PC equivalent would seem
> to be a motherboard and drive with a NVMe PCIe M.2 interface or with a
> PCIe 3.0 4x, 8x, or 16x interface.
>
>
> PCIe 3D XPoint drives (Intel Optane) seem to be the current king of
> the mountain.
>
I'm seeing, at newegg et all, what is said to be a 3d nand that seems to 
be the higher capacity drive, 240 GB etc, for prices in the $90 range. 
But you are mentioning PCIe. Is SATA about to be replaced, and I'll have 
to locate yet another motherboard to keep up with the Jones's?

On the hot swap cage front, the center pocket, even with a new cable, a 
cast iron bitch to install, is still not at all happy with the 2T drive 
I've installed 9.4 on, spamming my logs with resets. Move the drive to 
the last sata socket, hanging out of the side of the case, and its happy 
as a clam. Cheap cables, $6.50 for ten of them, but they claim 6GB/sec, 
so I'll try yet another cable today when I have both eyes open at the 
same time.

I've also been battling a sudden loss of sound, took my speakers apart 
and replaced 6 open electrolytic caps in the amp, (I am a C.E.T. and 
have all the test gear and tools for that), didn't help, went out to 
wally's and bought a twin of it, then found the green led for the front 
channel was dark in kmix. But this set has lots more distortion, so now 
that I know the machine is outputting sound I'll retry the repaired kit 
again.

> David

Thanks David.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196697

On 06/14/18 01:52, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I'm seeing, at newegg et all, what is said to be a 3d nand that seems to
> be the higher capacity drive, 240 GB etc, for prices in the $90 range.
> But you are mentioning PCIe. Is SATA about to be replaced, and I'll have
> to locate yet another motherboard to keep up with the Jones's?

I expect motherboards and drives with SATA interfaces will be around for 
many more years -- the interface is ubiquitous and fast/ cheap enough.


I would consider the PCIe stuff for newer machines and/or machines 
running services or applications that need the performance.


> On the hot swap cage front, the center pocket, even with a new cable, a
> cast iron bitch to install, is still not at all happy with the 2T drive
> I've installed 9.4 on, spamming my logs with resets. Move the drive to
> the last sata socket, hanging out of the side of the case, and its happy
> as a clam. Cheap cables, $6.50 for ten of them, but they claim 6GB/sec,
> so I'll try yet another cable today when I have both eyes open at the
> same time.

Bad SATA cables and/or connectors are a common problem.  I now mark 
every SATA cable with a serial number and track them, to help with 
trouble-shooting.


Using drive trays/ bays adds another level of hardware that can cause 
problems.  The only advice I can offer is to take meticulous notes and 
have spare parts for A-B testing.


> I've also been battling a sudden loss of sound, took my speakers apart
> and replaced 6 open electrolytic caps in the amp, (I am a C.E.T. and
> have all the test gear and tools for that), didn't help, went out to
> wally's and bought a twin of it, then found the green led for the front
> channel was dark in kmix. But this set has lots more distortion, so now
> that I know the machine is outputting sound I'll retry the repaired kit
> again.

For sound on Linux, I use Intel desktop boards, Debian stable, and cross 
my fingers.  It usually just works.  Whenever I try to add audio stuff, 
sound usually breaks to some lesser or greater extent.


David

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#196699

On Friday 15 June 2018 02:28:35 David Christensen wrote:

> On 06/14/18 01:52, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I'm seeing, at newegg et all, what is said to be a 3d nand that
> > seems to be the higher capacity drive, 240 GB etc, for prices in the
> > $90 range. But you are mentioning PCIe. Is SATA about to be
> > replaced, and I'll have to locate yet another motherboard to keep up
> > with the Jones's?
>
> I expect motherboards and drives with SATA interfaces will be around
> for many more years -- the interface is ubiquitous and fast/ cheap
> enough.
>
>
> I would consider the PCIe stuff for newer machines and/or machines
> running services or applications that need the performance.
>
> > On the hot swap cage front, the center pocket, even with a new
> > cable, a cast iron bitch to install, is still not at all happy with
> > the 2T drive I've installed 9.4 on, spamming my logs with resets.
> > Move the drive to the last sata socket, hanging out of the side of
> > the case, and its happy as a clam. Cheap cables, $6.50 for ten of
> > them, but they claim 6GB/sec, so I'll try yet another cable today
> > when I have both eyes open at the same time.
>
> Bad SATA cables and/or connectors are a common problem.  I now mark
> every SATA cable with a serial number and track them, to help with
> trouble-shooting.
>
>
> Using drive trays/ bays adds another level of hardware that can cause
> problems.  The only advice I can offer is to take meticulous notes and
> have spare parts for A-B testing.
>
> > I've also been battling a sudden loss of sound, took my speakers
> > apart and replaced 6 open electrolytic caps in the amp, (I am a
> > C.E.T. and have all the test gear and tools for that), didn't help,
> > went out to wally's and bought a twin of it, then found the green
> > led for the front channel was dark in kmix. But this set has lots
> > more distortion, so now that I know the machine is outputting sound
> > I'll retry the repaired kit again.
>
> For sound on Linux, I use Intel desktop boards, Debian stable, and
> cross my fingers.  It usually just works.  Whenever I try to add audio
> stuff, sound usually breaks to some lesser or greater extent.
>

Which sounds a lot better, so wallies new one went back last night for a 
refund. Since they were identical, I suspect they were both made in the 
same week 3 or 4 years ago and the capacitors have died sitting on the 
shelf. There were 6 caps, smaller stuff .22 uf to 20uf that measured in 
the 30 pf range. All got replaced with 50 to 100 uf stuff. Much more 
dependable than the teeny stuff they bought out of a sale wagon in front 
a a parts house in shangzui.

> David



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196555

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives hooked 
> up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data from the 
> other drives.

Once your Debian installation is finished, put this in /etc/default/grub:
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true

Then run
  update-grub
to remove the unwanted entries from your grub menu.

The Grub info documentation describes it as follows:
'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
     Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external 'os-prober'
     program, if installed, to discover other operating systems
     installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu entries
     for them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.

Disconnecting disks while installing Debian can help avoid mistakes.
However, it does not permanently suppress the boot menu entries referring to
other OS installations.

Regards,
Mirko

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#196559

On Monday 11 June 2018 06:40:41 Mirko Parthey wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> > hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
> > from the other drives.
>
> Once your Debian installation is finished, put this in
> /etc/default/grub: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
>
> Then run
>   update-grub
> to remove the unwanted entries from your grub menu.
>
> The Grub info documentation describes it as follows:
> 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
>      Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external
> 'os-prober' program, if installed, to discover other operating systems
> installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu entries for
> them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.
>
> Disconnecting disks while installing Debian can help avoid mistakes.
> However, it does not permanently suppress the boot menu entries
> referring to other OS installations.
>
> Regards,
> Mirko

Thanks Mirko, that will be handy.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196661

On Thursday 14 June 2018 05:00:34 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 06/11/2018 04:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 11 June 2018 06:40:41 Mirko Parthey wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
> >>> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with
> >>> data from the other drives.
> >>
> >> Once your Debian installation is finished, put this in
> >> /etc/default/grub: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
> >>
> >> Then run
> >>    update-grub
> >> to remove the unwanted entries from your grub menu.
> >>
> >> The Grub info documentation describes it as follows:
> >> 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
> >>       Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external
> >> 'os-prober' program, if installed, to discover other operating
> >> systems installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu
> >> entries for them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.
> >>
> >> Disconnecting disks while installing Debian can help avoid
> >> mistakes. However, it does not permanently suppress the boot menu
> >> entries referring to other OS installations.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mirko
> >
> > Thanks Mirko, that will be handy.
>
> #3 problem, have you looked to see if you can remove drives in your
> BIOS, if you can you won't need to crack your case.
>
The sides have been off this huge tower for a decade. Easier to do a 
dusting and cleaning, and helps with the heat trapping. So "cracking the 
case" isn't a big deal, its already cracked wide open.
> Cheers,



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#196662

On 06/11/2018 04:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 11 June 2018 06:40:41 Mirko Parthey wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 04:44:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> and 3: to  treat the grub install as if there are no other drives
>>> hooked up. I don't need grub to fill half the boot screen with data
>>> from the other drives.
>>
>> Once your Debian installation is finished, put this in
>> /etc/default/grub: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
>>
>> Then run
>>    update-grub
>> to remove the unwanted entries from your grub menu.
>>
>> The Grub info documentation describes it as follows:
>> 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
>>       Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external
>> 'os-prober' program, if installed, to discover other operating systems
>> installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu entries for
>> them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.
>>
>> Disconnecting disks while installing Debian can help avoid mistakes.
>> However, it does not permanently suppress the boot menu entries
>> referring to other OS installations.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mirko
> 
> Thanks Mirko, that will be handy.


#3 problem, have you looked to see if you can remove drives in your 
BIOS, if you can you won't need to crack your case.

Cheers,
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2
Registered Linux User #380263

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