Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #196567 > unrolled thread

installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso.

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user

Contents

  installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 17:10 +0200
    Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-06-11 18:00 +0200
      Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-11 20:20 +0200
    Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 23:00 +0200
      Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-06-12 01:00 +0200
        Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-06-12 09:00 +0200
        Re: installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso. Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 21:00 +0200

#196567 — installing 9.4 from the dvd's iso.

Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.

All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been addressed.

I was actually able to make it use a pre-formated 2T brand new drive 
simply by telling it the usage of the selected partition, and it gave me 
no argument. Truly a breath of fresh air.

Then I was able to set a static ethernet configuration, which it also 
remembered after the reboot. So overall, my main bitches about a broken 
installer have been addressed and I feel like I owe the folks who fixed 
that a case of suds.

Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out on the 
net and refresh the list of repo's in the sources.list. I have no clue 
if its because the network interface has been renamed from eth0 to 
enpsomething0, but it doesn't fetch the repo contents at all.  Firefox 
was sent to look at a few sites, worked as expected so its not a network 
problem IMO. 

I am also confused because when it went to install grub, it found, 
someplace, a ubuntu 18-04 install. Such an install doesn't exist 
anywhere on my network, and only the optical and the brand new seagate 
2T drive was plugged in. All 3 of the 1T drives in the hot swap cage 
were ejected, although I might have just now found it, there was a 64Gig 
u-sd plugged in that had an arm64 version of ubuntu 18-04 on it.  So 
that explains that.

However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt, does not 
explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists. So thats the 
next thing to fix.

Can someone perhaps share a clue since I don't have one?

Thanks.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#196569

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:07:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> 
> All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been addressed.

[...]

> Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out on the 
> net [...]

> I am also confused because when it went to install grub, it found, 
> someplace, a ubuntu 18-04 instal [...]

What is the contents of file /etc/apt/sources.list? Perhaps apt
is still looking for its repositories on your install media?

> However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt, does not 
> explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists. So thats the 
> next thing to fix.

Show us :-)

Cheers
- -- tomás
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAlsem0UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZSjQCfdrXvXeotAFgYHxgVxCF4Ivay
mmIAnRud3vZipI5WPoOXqOJZ3ebN2BdU
=c9l4
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#196572

On Monday 11 June 2018 11:54:45 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:07:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> >
> > All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been addressed.
>
> [...]
>
> > Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out on
> > the net [...]
> >
> > I am also confused because when it went to install grub, it found,
> > someplace, a ubuntu 18-04 instal [...]
>
> What is the contents of file /etc/apt/sources.list? Perhaps apt
> is still looking for its repositories on your install media?
>
> > However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt,
> > does not explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists. So
> > thats the next thing to fix.
>
> Show us :-)
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Can't, don't know how yet with the new 9.4 install.

What I can say is that it doesn't seem to return any errors, but an apt 
update is completed in somewhat more than a second, and according to the 
traffic leds in an 8 port switch, generates no net traffic. This after I 
had commented out the cdrom entry in sources.list.

Is there a way to turn up the debugging? I hadn't thought of it till just 
now, but next time I install that drive and boot from it, I'll find out 
if strace is installed by default. That may be somewhat more 
educational.

But first, I had that drive plugged into sata-6, and had to use the bios 
boot menu to select it to boot from, so I'm going to unload the middle 
drive in the hot plug cage, and see if it will find it automatically on 
sata-2 when the top drive (sata-1) is ejected.

I also want to remove all small partitions and re-format another of those 
drives, re-configureing it for amanda's use. That will replace a 1T in 
slot 3 of that cage, with a 2T, so amanda will have a little bit more 
play room. I should at the same time, wheel it out to the front deck and 
attack the dust bunny's with an air hose, its been about a year & the 
fan blades are getting heavy. But here this afternoon its intermittently 
dumping the Jolly Green Giants boots after a hard party last night, so 
that can wait.

I'll be back when I have something to report.

Thanks Tomas.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#196580

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:07:46 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> 
> All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been addressed.

Good to hear. However, I never had any problem with my custom install
of Wheezy 5 years ago.  Nor, for that matter, with Stretch. Never
bothered with Jessie.

> [snip]
> 
> Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out on
> the net and refresh the list of repo's in the sources.list. I have no
> clue if its because the network interface has been renamed from eth0
> to enpsomething0, but it doesn't fetch the repo contents at all.
> Firefox was sent to look at a few sites, worked as expected so its
> not a network problem IMO. 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt, does
> not explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists. So thats
> the next thing to fix.
> 
> Can someone perhaps share a clue since I don't have one?

Show /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files.


B

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#196582

On Monday 11 June 2018 16:50:39 Patrick Bartek wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:07:46 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> >
> > All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been addressed.
>
> Good to hear. However, I never had any problem with my custom install
> of Wheezy 5 years ago.  Nor, for that matter, with Stretch. Never
> bothered with Jessie.
>
> > [snip]
> >
> > Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out on
> > the net and refresh the list of repo's in the sources.list. I have
> > no clue if its because the network interface has been renamed from
> > eth0 to enpsomething0, but it doesn't fetch the repo contents at
> > all. Firefox was sent to look at a few sites, worked as expected so
> > its not a network problem IMO.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt,
> > does not explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists. So
> > thats the next thing to fix.
> >
> > Can someone perhaps share a clue since I don't have one?
>
> Show /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files.

Had a heck of a time, seems the 2 lower trays in the hotswap cage are 
still serviced with red sata cables, which are known to have only a 
4 or 5 year life, something in that red dye eats the copper into a 
rusty looking powder. And thats the only 2 red cables left in this 
decade old system. All the other original build red cables are gone.

So I have that drive back to hanging out of the machine and mounted 
on /media/sdcslash. On an orangish/tan cable. Black, blue, even green
seem to be ok, but red may as well be tossed in the trash because you
WILL eventually have to change it.

So here is that sources.list:
(wordwrapoff)
==================
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main 
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main 

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib 
# deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free 
# deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free 
# deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free 
===============

Now the sources.list.d contents: But its empty. Will have trinity r14 
in it shortly as I'm quite used to TDE, its a Just Works desktop. That
will bring in kmail so I can copy all my custom scripts over, and 
actually start making stretch do my things.

/etc/apt/preferences.d is empty
/etc/apt/trustedgpg seems to have the usual suspects for wheezy, jessie, 
and stretch.

Anything else you need to see while I'm trying to corral some more sata 
cables that are NOT red?

/rant on
I've hated that red dye since back in the 1970's when in addition to 
keeping a Nebraska Educational Commissions UHF tv station on the air, 
I was serviceing 99% of the truckers cb radio's, and trying to find a 
dependable source for replacement mic cables, broken red wires in those 
J.A.Pan company cables were an absolute pandemic.  And now the Chinese 
are doing it to us.
/rant off

Thank you Patrick.

Oh, is ifconfig and route on the first dvd? Its possible theres something
wrong with the networking but I don't have the old standby's to show me.
ip route looks sane but I'm the old hippy who has not yet seen that this 
"ip" stuff can actually replace ifconfig.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#196589

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 06:57:27PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 11 June 2018 16:50:39 Patrick Bartek wrote:

[...]

> > Show /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files.

[...]

> So here is that sources.list:
> (wordwrapoff)
> ==================
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main 
> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib 
> # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib 

[other sections]

> ===============
> 
> Now the sources.list.d contents: But its empty [...]

This all looks OK and should (famous last words) work.

You might want to run apt-get with some debugging options enabled. For
example, this might be more verbose:

  sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAcquire=1 update

(Note: Lots of output. Redirecting to a file might be a good idea).

For a couple of debug options you might want to consider, cf. man
apt.conf.

Cheers
- -- tomás
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAlsfbYoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYS9gCeOgNZWxQo/a9wWxXQScUgrDx7
HdUAnjNfPNG3CcHbGgIixWIONGB8sfVE
=mKyp
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#196642

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:57:27 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Monday 11 June 2018 16:50:39 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:07:46 -0400
> >
> > Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:  
> > > Generally speaking, a big hey y'all to the developers.
> > >
> > > All of my squawks about the wheezy installer have been
> > > addressed.  
> >
> > Good to hear. However, I never had any problem with my custom
> > install of Wheezy 5 years ago.  Nor, for that matter, with Stretch.
> > Never bothered with Jessie.
> >  
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Just one thing seems to be missing: apt nor synaptic, will go out
> > > on the net and refresh the list of repo's in the sources.list. I
> > > have no clue if its because the network interface has been
> > > renamed from eth0 to enpsomething0, but it doesn't fetch the repo
> > > contents at all. Firefox was sent to look at a few sites, worked
> > > as expected so its not a network problem IMO.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > However an admittedly cursory read of all the files in /etc/apt,
> > > does not explain apt's reticence to download the new repo lists.
> > > So thats the next thing to fix.
> > >
> > > Can someone perhaps share a clue since I don't have one?  
> >
> > Show /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
> > files.  
> 
> Had a heck of a time, seems the 2 lower trays in the hotswap cage are 
> still serviced with red sata cables, which are known to have only a 
> 4 or 5 year life, something in that red dye eats the copper into a 
> rusty looking powder. And thats the only 2 red cables left in this 
> decade old system. All the other original build red cables are gone.

Good to know.  All my sata cables are red. Came with the motherboard.
And this system like yours is 11 years old, although it's had
various upgrades (cpus, graphic cards, hard drives, power supply) since.
Fortunately, I've had no problems. However, next time I'm at the
computer store, I'm going to get new non-red cables. Can't hurt. Or,
maybe, I should build a NEW system.  Nah!  Against my frugal nature.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;-)

> So I have that drive back to hanging out of the machine and mounted 
> on /media/sdcslash. On an orangish/tan cable. Black, blue, even green
> seem to be ok, but red may as well be tossed in the trash because you
> WILL eventually have to change it.

I only have two hard drives, both internal and no hotswaps.  In any
case, hard drives, etc. shouldn't be causing your failure to reach the
Debian repos.  You said your web browsing Internet connection worked
fine. Maybe, a firewall misconfigure or the repo you were trying to
reach was "down" or being updated itself at the time.  Had that happen.

> So here is that sources.list:
> (wordwrapoff)
> ==================
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD
> Binary-1 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main # deb cdrom:[Debian
> GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1
> 20180310-11:21]/ stretch contrib main 
> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib 
> # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free
> contrib 
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
> contrib non-free # deb-src
> http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
> contrib non-free 
> 
> # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib
> non-free # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates
> main contrib non-free 
> 
> # stretch-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib
> non-free # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports
> main contrib non-free ===============

Looks okay.  Pretty much like mine at the moment.  I did a clean
install of Stretch (hard drive pre-partiioned in Wheezy) a couple
weeks ago, dual boot with my now 5 year old unsupported Wheezy install
as a backup. Both on the same hard drive.

FYI: Neither of my Debian installs are "stock' or UEFI.  MBR only. And
Stretch is chainloaded from Wheezy's grub which is on the MBR. Learned a
long time ago, not to mix-n-match distro grubs or lilos. I started with
a net-install disk base terminal only system, and built up from there.
However, I have no desktop.  Just a window manager (Openbox), menus,
and a single LXPanel. Network configured automatically during install.
Didn't have to do a thing. Refreshing.  PS: Converted to sysvinit as
init after base install, but kept all the systemd libraries as
dependencies.  No problems, so far.

> Now the sources.list.d contents: But its empty. Will have trinity r14 
> in it shortly as I'm quite used to TDE, its a Just Works desktop. That
> will bring in kmail so I can copy all my custom scripts over, and 
> actually start making stretch do my things.

Don't use desktops.  Installs too much crap I don't need or will
ever used. Resource hogs. All of them. Have heard good things about
Trinity as desktops go.

> /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty
> /etc/apt/trustedgpg seems to have the usual suspects for wheezy,
> jessie, and stretch.
> 
> Anything else you need to see while I'm trying to corral some more
> sata cables that are NOT red?

No.  My /etc/apt/ is pretty much the same as yours at the moment,
except VirtualBox's repo (I downloaded the installer directly from
VB's site) is https as is Google's chrome's under preferences.list.d.
So, I needed to install apt-transport-https for them to work. I will
eventually convert all my repos to https and httpredir those that I
can.  Make sure everything works first before making a change, I say.

> Oh, is ifconfig and route on the first dvd? Its possible theres
> something wrong with the networking but I don't have the old
> standby's to show me. ip route looks sane but I'm the old hippy who
> has not yet seen that this "ip" stuff can actually replace ifconfig.

From my reading ifconfig, etc. have been abandoned, in favor of a new,
improved technique (they say).  Below are a few links to the new Debian
network configuring.  Hope it helps you solve your non-responsive
repo problem.

By the way, when you do an 'apt update' do you get any output?
Also, you are doing this as 'root', yes? Or sudo?  I don't have sudo
set up on my system.  Consider it a security risk.

I know you don't want to hear this, what with all the time you've
spent trying to make things work, but have you considered just
reinstalling everything with all the hardware set up as you want it to
see if it works?

Best of Luck.

B


Informational Links:

https://tomsalmon.eu/2017/12/debian-9-stretch-systemd-network-interface-names/

https://www.serverlab.ca/tutorials/linux/administration-linux/how-to-configure-debian-9-network-settings/

https://tecadmin.net/setup-network-interface-on-ubuntu-debian-and-linuxmint/

https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user

csiph-web