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  File managers show files and directories in reverse order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:10 +0200
    Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-05-29 03:30 +0200
      Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:50 +0200
        Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2018-05-29 12:00 +0200
          Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 14:30 +0200
            Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2018-05-29 15:20 +0200
              Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:10 +0200
            Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-29 16:30 +0200
              Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:20 +0200
                Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-05-31 00:50 +0200
                  Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 07:50 +0200
            Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order......... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-05-29 18:50 +0200
              Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:20 +0200
            Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order......... Stefan Krusche <epost@stefan-krusche.de> - 2018-05-29 19:10 +0200
              Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:30 +0200
        Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-05-29 21:20 +0200
          Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:50 +0200
            Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse  order......... Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-05-30 02:40 +0200

#196179 — File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

Hello Everyone,

	Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
	the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files beneath.

Don't know how it was accidentally done?

Using FVWM - Debian Stretch

Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
would be appreciated.

TIA
Charlie

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#196181 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 	Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
> 	the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files beneath.
> Don't know how it was accidentally done?
> Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
> Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
> would be appreciated.
> TIA
> Charlie

Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a 
checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before files".

Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/" 
(descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading label, 
but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the checkbox above.

Kind regards,

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Director
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#196182 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:

> On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 	Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
> > 	the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
> > beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
> > Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
> > Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
> > would be appreciated.
> > TIA
> > Charlie  
> 
> Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a 
> checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before
> files".
> 
> Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/" 
> (descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading
> label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the
> checkbox above.
> 

Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine. 

But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed. Can't
get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager accessed by
these two.

Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.

When the window opens there is no option other than list view - detail
view or new folder. Very sparse.

I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
don't know the way to do that.

Thank You,
Charlie

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#196186 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

Charlie S wrote:
> But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.

I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
pointing up or down.

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#196192 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:

> > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.  
> 
> I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> pointing up or down.

	After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you Siard.

It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
spin control there?

I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
will change the order of the directories and files.

I have no idea what file manager they use.

I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
which filemanager and all different ways of speling.

But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
empty.

I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
that way.

No joy yet.

Thank you for your reply.
Charlie
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#196196 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

Charlie S wrote:
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?
> 
> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.

Well, here's a screenshot of the 'Open' dialog of Kate in FVWM in Stretch.
I put a red line around the clickable area.
https://s15.postimg.cc/bav2blkq3/kate.jpg
If you have something different, then the reason for that is beyond me.
But as far as I'm aware of, it has nothing to do with file managers.

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#196222 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:14:35 +0200 Siard sent:

> Charlie S wrote:
> > It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> > spin control there?
> > 
> > I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is
> > nothing there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is
> > nothing that will change the order of the directories and files.  
> 
> Well, here's a screenshot of the 'Open' dialog of Kate in FVWM in
> Stretch. I put a red line around the clickable area.
> https://s15.postimg.cc/bav2blkq3/kate.jpg
> If you have something different, then the reason for that is beyond
> me. But as far as I'm aware of, it has nothing to do with file
> managers.
> 

Thank you Siard.

You are right. I should have sent you a screenshot, and did almost. You
would have picked up the problem instantly.

The problem was this. The window of the file manager was too small. on
the name area, it only showed half the line and the spin control was
cut off.

I really appreciate your patience, thank you for that and very sorry
for the noise

Thank you again,
Charlie

	After contemplation, my reply is:

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#196199 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On 2018-05-29, Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.

 xdg-mime query default inode/directory

works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default file
manager on my machine.

curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
pcmanfm.desktop

Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the answer
I'm giving.

> No joy yet.
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> Charlie


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#196223 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Curt sent:

> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> > this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> > installed that way.  
> 
>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> 
> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
> file manager on my machine.
> 
> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> pcmanfm.desktop
> 
> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
> answer I'm giving.


	After contemplation, my reply is:

Thanks Curt,

Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my file
manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.

It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small how
did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
would do it? Maybe?

I mostly use my keyboard.

Thank you again for your reply,
Charlie

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#196269 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

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On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Curt sent:
> 
>> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
>>> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
>>> installed that way.  
>>
>>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>>
>> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
>> file manager on my machine.
>>
>> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>> pcmanfm.desktop
>>
>> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
>> answer I'm giving.
> 
> 
> 	After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Thanks Curt,
> 
> Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my file
> manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> 
> It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small how
> did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> would do it? Maybe?

You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
things by mistake.

Richard

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#196278 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:42:17 +1200 Richard Hector sent:

> On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Curt sent:
> >   
> >> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S <taoquester@gmail.com> wrote:  
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed
> >>> on this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> >>> installed that way.    
> >>
> >>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >>
> >> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
> >> file manager on my machine.
> >>
> >> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >> pcmanfm.desktop
> >>
> >> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
> >> answer I'm giving.  
> > 
> > 
> > 	After contemplation, my reply is:
> > 
> > Thanks Curt,
> > 
> > Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my
> > file manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> > 
> > It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small
> > how did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> > directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> > would do it? Maybe?  
> 
> You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
> don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
> things by mistake.
> 
> Richard

Thank you Richard. As you described, I must have changed it in the
first place. I did wonder. I must have done what you did and clicked
into that space, not noticed and then discovered it later.

You never stop learning. Till they screw down the lid on the coffin, and
even that is a lesson I suppose.

Thank you,
Charlie

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#196203

On Tue 29 May 2018 at 22:27:43 (+1000), Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> 
> > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.  
> > 
> > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > pointing up or down.
> 
> 	After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Thank you Siard.
> 
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?

AFAIK fvwm manages windows, not their contents.

> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.
> 
> I have no idea what file manager they use.

AFAIK that doesn't matter. I get the impression that you're battling
with the toolkit rather than any particular file manager.

Which toolkit you see depends on what the application has been linked
with. For example, most that I use are linked against gtk3, so when I
click and hold in a scroll bar, the oval "thumb" moves to that point,
stays there, and can be dragged while the button is held down.

OTOH xournal, for example, is linked against gtk2 and the thumb is
rectangular. When you click below it, the thumb moves down only by a
predictable distance; when the button is held down, this small
movement gets auto-repeated. You also get the arrows at either end
of the scrollbar.

I have noticed that when you open the latter dialog box, the files
are unsorted and "Name" has no arrow. Click on Name, however, and
the files sort into alphabetical order and the little triangular
arrow appears and can be reversed.

AIUI you're at the mercy of the toolkit for much of the look-and-feel
of what is contained within the windows that different window managers
and applications display.

> I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
> which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
> 
> But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> empty.
> 
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.

Cheers,
David.

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#196224 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:47:58 -0500 David Wright sent:

> On Tue 29 May 2018 at 22:27:43 (+1000), Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> >   
> > > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is
> > > > reversed.    
> > > 
> > > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > > pointing up or down.  
> > 
> > 	After contemplation, my reply is:
> > 
> > Thank you Siard.
> > 
> > It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> > spin control there?  
> 
> AFAIK fvwm manages windows, not their contents.
> 
> > I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is
> > nothing there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is
> > nothing that will change the order of the directories and files.
> > 
> > I have no idea what file manager they use.  
> 
> AFAIK that doesn't matter. I get the impression that you're battling
> with the toolkit rather than any particular file manager.
> 
> Which toolkit you see depends on what the application has been linked
> with. For example, most that I use are linked against gtk3, so when I
> click and hold in a scroll bar, the oval "thumb" moves to that point,
> stays there, and can be dragged while the button is held down.
> 
> OTOH xournal, for example, is linked against gtk2 and the thumb is
> rectangular. When you click below it, the thumb moves down only by a
> predictable distance; when the button is held down, this small
> movement gets auto-repeated. You also get the arrows at either end
> of the scrollbar.
> 
> I have noticed that when you open the latter dialog box, the files
> are unsorted and "Name" has no arrow. Click on Name, however, and
> the files sort into alphabetical order and the little triangular
> arrow appears and can be reversed.
> 
> AIUI you're at the mercy of the toolkit for much of the look-and-feel
> of what is contained within the windows that different window managers
> and applications display.
> 
> > I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> > filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways
> > including which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
> > 
> > But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> > might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> > empty.
> > 
> > I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> > this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> > installed that way.  
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 


	After contemplation, my reply is:

	Thank you for your reply. Siard has the thing right. My file
	manager window was too small and the spin tiller at the end of
	the "name" entry was hidden.

Thank you again,
Charlie 

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#196204

Am Dienstag 29 Mai 2018 schrieb Charlie S:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.
> >
> > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > pointing up or down.
>
> 	After contemplation, my reply is:
>
> Thank you Siard.
>
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?
>
> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.
>
> I have no idea what file manager they use.
>
> I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
> which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
>
> But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> empty.
>
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.
>
> No joy yet.
>
> Thank you for your reply.
> Charlie

On my system here is also a configuration option in the opening dialog of kate 
next to the field where the directory is shown. There, in a submenu, I can 
choose that directories be shown first. Also, with F12 as a hotkey, directories 
will be shown in a separate area of the open file dialog.

Hope, this helps
Stefan

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#196225 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Tue, 29 May 2018 18:50:40 +0200 Stefan Krusche sent:

> On my system here is also a configuration option in the opening
> dialog of kate next to the field where the directory is shown. There,
> in a submenu, I can choose that directories be shown first. Also,
> with F12 as a hotkey, directories will be shown in a separate area of
> the open file dialog.


	After contemplation, my reply is:

	Thank you for your reply Stefan. I can't seem to make that
	work, but probably haven't got the hotkey configured. Anyway,
	my eyes have been opened.

	Siard had the right way of it. My file manager window was too
	small and the spin control hidden. The reason that this is,
	because I have some files that have long names and there is a
	huge gap between the Name - [huge gap] -Size - Type etc..

So thank you again.
Charlie

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#196212 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On 29/05/18 13:46, Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:
>> On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 	Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
>>> 	the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
>>> beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
>>> Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
>>> Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
>>> would be appreciated.
>>> TIA
>>> Charlie
>> Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a
>> checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before
>> files".
>> Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/"
>> (descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading
>> label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the
>> checkbox above.
> Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine.
> But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed. Can't
> get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager accessed by
> these two.
> Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.
> When the window opens there is no option other than list view - detail
> view or new folder. Very sparse.
> I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
> don't know the way to do that.
> Thank You,
> Charlie
So for clarity (and better Googling), please confirm these details:

- the problem is *not* your file manager, it is the ordering in the file 
chooser dialog of some applications, and

- the order is not reversed, is just that folders are sorted before files.

Please confirm that my understanding is correct.

The common element is that both Kate and Lyx are Qt applications, but 
then so is Okular I think. There might be a KDE setting. I do not know.

Can you access options by right clicking on a folder in the file chooser 
dialog?

Kind regards,

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Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
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#196226 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On Wed, 30 May 2018 07:14:45 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:

> On 29/05/18 13:46, Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:  
> >> On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:  
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>> 	Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order
> >>> to the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
> >>> beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
> >>> Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
> >>> Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
> >>> would be appreciated.
> >>> TIA
> >>> Charlie  
> >> Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce)
> >> has a checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders
> >> before files".
> >> Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the
> >> "\/" (descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column
> >> heading label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by
> >> the checkbox above.  
> > Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine.
> > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.
> > Can't get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager
> > accessed by these two.
> > Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.
> > When the window opens there is no option other than list view -
> > detail view or new folder. Very sparse.
> > I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
> > don't know the way to do that.
> > Thank You,
> > Charlie  
> So for clarity (and better Googling), please confirm these details:
> 
> - the problem is *not* your file manager, it is the ordering in the
> file chooser dialog of some applications, and
> 
> - the order is not reversed, is just that folders are sorted before
> files.
> 
> Please confirm that my understanding is correct.
> 
> The common element is that both Kate and Lyx are Qt applications, but 
> then so is Okular I think. There might be a KDE setting. I do not
> know.
> 
> Can you access options by right clicking on a folder in the file
> chooser dialog?


	After contemplation, my reply is:

	Thank you for your time and patience Ben. Never having struck
	this problem previously it was frustrating and googling didn't
	help, I tried xdg-utils and I have forgotten most of the others
	that I attempted to, or got into in an attempt to fix it.

Siard had the way of it.

My file manager window was too small, the spin control hidden. I might
have called that the "spin tiller" in other emails. A senior moment or
two and because I am a peasanto, a man of the land when not retired.
At the same time trying to talk to a man about my phone line being
down. He needed to go away and check some things, and in between I am
trying to answer all the good people who have replied to this. The
phone business is now completed, but will have to wait some days for my
landline to be fixed. One down, thank you all, one to go. [sigh]

At the same time there is a wallaby hopping round the room and wombats
running all over the floor. So when unplugging, plugging in leads on
shelves have to negotiate them.

I really appreciate your generosity of time I used up. Yours, and
other peoples. I always make this list the last port of call when I
have been frustrated, unable to find answers from the web/manuals and
trolling archives, for some days or weeks. Then I bite the bullet and
ask here.

So thank you once again. It is as always, very much appreciated.
Charlie

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#196229 — Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

On 30/05/18 11:49, Charlie S wrote:
> My file manager window was too small, the spin control hidden.

Ah! Thanks for letting us know.

> At the same time there is a wallaby hopping round the room and wombats
> running all over the floor. So when unplugging, plugging in leads on
> shelves have to negotiate them.

Tricky. While at my standing desk, I only have to contend with a hungry 
cat sinking his claws into my legs.

> I really appreciate your generosity of time I used up. Yours, and
> other peoples. I always make this list the last port of call when I
> have been frustrated, unable to find answers from the web/manuals and
> trolling archives, for some days or weeks. Then I bite the bullet and
> ask here.
> So thank you once again. It is as always, very much appreciated.

You are most welcome. Good questions make this list interesting.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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