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A long rant on Debian 9

Started byJohn <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
First post2018-05-06 23:20 +0200
Last post2018-05-08 21:20 +0200
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  A long rant on Debian 9 John <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-06 23:20 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Forest Dean Feighner <forest.feighner@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 23:40 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-07 00:20 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-07 05:40 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-07 17:30 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-07 17:40 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-07 23:50 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 00:10 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 18:00 +0200
              Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 00:10 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 14:00 +0200
                  Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-05-08 14:40 +0200
                    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-05-08 16:00 +0200
                    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 21:00 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-08 16:00 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-08 16:10 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 13:40 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 14:20 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-05-07 16:50 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 16:50 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-07 17:10 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 18:00 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:30 +0200
        Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-07 16:50 +0200
          Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 00:10 +0200
            Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 00:30 +0200
              Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 00:40 +0200
                Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 01:20 +0200
                  Re: minimal installation Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-12 23:50 +0200
                    Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-13 00:30 +0200
              Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 02:00 +0200
                Re: minimal installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 21:00 +0200
            Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 00:30 +0200
              Re: minimal installation Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 01:40 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2018-05-07 01:10 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-05-07 15:10 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-07 15:40 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-05-07 16:00 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 19:20 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 20:20 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 22:40 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 15:40 +0200
              Re: 3-button trackpoint configuration (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 16:10 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 21:20 +0200

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#195446

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2018-05-07 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<vMSTT-4JZ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#195442
On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:17:07 +0100, jpff wrote:

> Things are getting better if not quite right.  I have a lean x/fvwm system
> installed and I have managed to get an xterm displayed.  The major issues I
> have left outstanding are

If you have fvwm on the system it was installed after first boot. To
state the obvious, either WiFi or ethernet was used. Which one was it?

> 1:  The X40 has a three-mbutton trackpoint but while button 1 works, button
> 2 has no affect and button 3 does what button 2 should do.  Not seen that
> before and not sure where to look.

Dunno. It is not critical. Put it on the back burner.

> 2:  Still no wifi.  iwconfig allows me to set key and essid etc but ifup
> says it has not heard about wlp2s2 which is the name "ip link" gives.
> Sometimes the wifi is active judging from the flashing of the lights but no
> connection.  I am used to using ifconfig/iwconfig on other machines.

You have installed wireless-tools (the installer doesn't). You could
also install net-tools if you feel more comfortable with it. Please
post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of 'ip a'.
 
> 3:  My wifi is WPA-PSK (I think version 2).  Is teresoe package I eed for
> this?  Just realised that I have never used wifi on debian boxes....

Apart from wpasupplicant, no.

> And again thank you all for your advice and comments. It is getting better.

Answering a question or two might see a dramatic increase in betterness.

-- 
Brian.

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#195456

FromRic Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-07 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<vMV5n-6cW-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#195446
On 05/07/2018 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
> Answering a question or two might see a dramatic increase in betterness.

I'm stealing that one! Ric

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#195491

Fromjpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
Date2018-05-08 15:40 +0200
Message-ID<vNb0u-7Ep-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#195446
On Mon, 7 May 2018, Brian wrote:

> On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:17:07 +0100, jpff wrote:
>
>> Things are getting better if not quite right.  I have a lean x/fvwm system
>> installed and I have managed to get an xterm displayed.  The major issues I
>> have left outstanding are
>
> If you have fvwm on the system it was installed after first boot. To
> state the obvious, either WiFi or ethernet was used. Which one was it?


I did a complete reinstall using wired network, but ensured no desktp of 
any kind.  Then added the most obvious things like fvwm, exim, emacs and 
some others


  >
>> 1:  The X40 has a three-mbutton trackpoint but while button 1 works, button
>> 2 has no affect and button 3 does what button 2 should do.  Not seen that
>> before and not sure where to look.
>

  > Dunno. It is not critical. Put it on the back burner.

Just makes it hard to se.  The middle button works in xterm but not in 
fvwm.  Maybe not critical but a problem for my fingers who have been doing 
this for so long

  >
>> 2:  Still no wifi.  iwconfig allows me to set key and essid etc but ifup
>> says it has not heard about wlp2s2 which is the name "ip link" gives.
>> Sometimes the wifi is active judging from the flashing of the lights but no
>> connection.  I am used to using ifconfig/iwconfig on other machines.
>
> You have installed wireless-tools (the installer doesn't). You could
> also install net-tools if you feel more comfortable with it. Please
> post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of 'ip a'.


I have net-tools, not sure about wireless-tools.  Will check when I can 
get back to a wired location.  On the 64bit laptop at present ssh'ed into 
the Debian firewall.

>> 3:  My wifi is WPA-PSK (I think version 2).  Is teresoe package I eed for
>> this?  Just realised that I have never used wifi on debian boxes....
>
> Apart from wpasupplicant, no.

I see evidence of some wps- files but not akl I expect from other systems

>
>> And again thank you all for your advice and comments. It is getting better.
>
> Answering a question or two might see a dramatic increase in betterness.
>

AFIK I have answered all questions; apologies if I am being unclear.

> -- 
> Brian.
>

==John ff

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#195496 — Re: 3-button trackpoint configuration (was: A long rant on Debian 9)

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2018-05-08 16:10 +0200
SubjectRe: 3-button trackpoint configuration (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
Message-ID<vNbtv-83g-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#195491
jpff composed on 2018-05-08 14:32 (UTC+0100):

> Brian wrote:

>> On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:17:07 +0100, jpff wrote:

>>> 1:  The X40 has a three-mbutton trackpoint but while button 1 works, button
>>> 2 has no affect and button 3 does what button 2 should do.  Not seen that
>>> before and not sure where to look.

>   > Dunno. It is not critical. Put it on the back burner.

> Just makes it hard to se.  The middle button works in xterm but not in 
> fvwm.  Maybe not critical but a problem for my fingers who have been doing 
> this for so long

I don't have anything with a Trackpoint, but it looks to me like putting

Section "InputClass"
        # Novell Bug #597214
        Identifier      "IBM TPPS/2 TrackPoint"
        MatchProduct    "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint"
        MatchIsPointer  "on"
        Driver  "evdev"
        Option  "EmulateWheel"  "on"
        Option  "EmulateWheelButton"    "2"
        Option  "YAxisMapping"    "4 5"
	Option	"XAxisMapping"	  "6 7"
        Option  "Emulate3Buttons"    "on"
        Option  "EmulateWheelTimeout"    "200"
EndSection

or similar in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/11-trackpoint.conf might fix it.
-- 
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get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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#195509

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2018-05-08 21:20 +0200
Message-ID<vNgjv-2sG-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#195491
On Tue 08 May 2018 at 14:32:20 +0100, jpff wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2018, Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:17:07 +0100, jpff wrote:
> > 
> > > Things are getting better if not quite right.  I have a lean x/fvwm system
> > > installed and I have managed to get an xterm displayed.  The major issues I
> > > have left outstanding are
> > 
> > If you have fvwm on the system it was installed after first boot. To
> > state the obvious, either WiFi or ethernet was used. Which one was it?
> 
> 
> I did a complete reinstall using wired network, but ensured no desktp of any
> kind.  Then added the most obvious things like fvwm, exim, emacs and some
> others

Now, that went very well - didn't it. Good.

>  >
> > > 1:  The X40 has a three-mbutton trackpoint but while button 1 works, button
> > > 2 has no affect and button 3 does what button 2 should do.  Not seen that
> > > before and not sure where to look.
> > 
> 
>  > Dunno. It is not critical. Put it on the back burner.
> 
> Just makes it hard to se.  The middle button works in xterm but not in fvwm.
> Maybe not critical but a problem for my fingers who have been doing this for
> so long

Priorities.

> > > 2:  Still no wifi.  iwconfig allows me to set key and essid etc but ifup
> > > says it has not heard about wlp2s2 which is the name "ip link" gives.
> > > Sometimes the wifi is active judging from the flashing of the lights but no
> > > connection.  I am used to using ifconfig/iwconfig on other machines.
> > 
> > You have installed wireless-tools (the installer doesn't). You could
> > also install net-tools if you feel more comfortable with it. Please
> > post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of 'ip a'.
> 
> 
> I have net-tools, not sure about wireless-tools.  Will check when I can get
> back to a wired location.  On the 64bit laptop at present ssh'ed into the
> Debian firewall.
> 
> > > 3:  My wifi is WPA-PSK (I think version 2).  Is teresoe package I eed for
> > > this?  Just realised that I have never used wifi on debian boxes....
> > 
> > Apart from wpasupplicant, no.
> 
> I see evidence of some wps- files but not akl I expect from other systems
> 
> > 
> > > And again thank you all for your advice and comments. It is getting better.
> > 
> > Answering a question or two might see a dramatic increase in betterness.
> > 
> 
> AFIK I have answered all questions; apologies if I am being unclear.

In the mail you are responding to

 > Please post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and the
 > output of 'ip a'.

A third request:

The wireless device. Chipset etc. 'lspci' or 'lsusb' should help.

-- 
Brian.




> > -- 
> > Brian.
> > 
> 
> ==John ff
>

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