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  I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Gdsi <gdsi11@aol.com> - 2018-04-23 22:10 +0200
    Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2018-04-23 22:40 +0200
    Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 22:40 +0200
      Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-04-24 13:30 +0200
        Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-24 17:20 +0200
        Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:40 +0200
    Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-04-23 22:50 +0200
    Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. mark@neidorff.com - 2018-04-24 00:10 +0200
      Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2018-04-24 10:30 +0200
        Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-04-24 14:40 +0200
    Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 01:40 +0200
      Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-24 14:30 +0200
        Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-24 14:50 +0200
          Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:40 +0200
        Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 14:50 +0200

#195010 — I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

Hi all.
On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.
A few times I tried doing it but always there was a excess , as the installer don't say exactly what is into minimal inst-ion, and I'm afraid there's kernel only.
 If I shall not be setting check marks for additional components, will be there: 'apt', man pages and some editor?
Thank.

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#195011

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Gdsi:
>
> On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian,
> and with its command line.

How much is "little free space"?

> A few times I tried doing it but always there was a excess , as the
> installer don't say exactly what is into minimal inst-ion, and I'm
> afraid there's kernel only.  If I shall not be setting check marks for
> additional components, will be there: 'apt', man pages and some
> editor?

You can be sure that you will have a "usable" system even when not
selecting any extra packages. There will always be apt, a shell (bash),
some editor (nano and vim-tiny) and man pages for core utilities.

A "standard" Debian installation contains all packages with Priority
"required", "important" and "standard". You can view a list (from a
running Debian) using aptitude:

aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p

That includes 119 packages on my (unstable/sid) system. I don't know
what the installed size of these packages is, but I guess you need way
less than 1GB.

J.
-- 
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#195012

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When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study
systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
Ethernet Cable disconnected.

It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I (after
fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
lynx), and still have fun with it.

Does that help?

Kenneth Parker

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 4:09 PM Gdsi <gdsi11@aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian, and
> with its command line.
> A few times I tried doing it but always there was a excess , as the
> installer don't say exactly what is into minimal inst-ion, and I'm afraid
> there's kernel only.
>  If I shall not be setting check marks for additional components, will be
> there: 'apt', man pages and some editor?
> Thank.
>
>

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#195032

On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study
> systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
> Ethernet Cable disconnected.
> 
> It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I (after
> fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
> lynx), and still have fun with it.
> 
> Does that help?
> 

That may help a similar problem for me.
How large was it before "adding a few items"?
TIA

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#195042

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 06:22:46 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study
> > systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
> > Ethernet Cable disconnected.
> > 
> > It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I (after
> > fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
> > lynx), and still have fun with it.
> > 
> > Does that help?
> 
> That may help a similar problem for me.
> How large was it before "adding a few items"?

If it helps, an i386 installation here (base system only) takes 439M on
an 7.3G partition.

-- 
Brian.

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#195043

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I kept the tarball of the resulring System, before installing anything
(because tar is on the Minimal System).  However, I could not find that
tarball last night.

I believe (via Skimming) that someone else answered you.

Kenneth Parker

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 7:23 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could
> study
> > systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
> > Ethernet Cable disconnected.
> >
> > It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I
> (after
> > fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
> > lynx), and still have fun with it.
> >
> > Does that help?
> >
>
> That may help a similar problem for me.
> How large was it before "adding a few items"?
> TIA
>
>
>
>

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#195013

Gdsi wrote:
> Hi all.
> On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian,
> and with its command line. A few times I tried doing it but always
> there was a excess , as the installer don't say exactly what is into
> minimal inst-ion, and I'm afraid there's kernel only. If I shall not
> be setting check marks for additional components, will be there:
> 'apt', man pages and some editor?
> Thank.

Minimal install should include (among other things)

 - GNU Coreutils
 - apt(-get|itude) / package management
 - The kernel (duh :)
 - Whatever else is needed for a LSB-compliant system.

Other options you can install include:

 - ssh server
 - x server
 - print server
 - web server

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#195015

On Monday, April 23, 2018 4:08:38 PM EDT Gdsi wrote:
> Hi all.
> On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian, and
> with its command line. A few times I tried doing it but always there was a
> excess , as the installer don't say exactly what is into minimal inst-ion,
> and I'm afraid there's kernel only. If I shall not be setting check marks
> for additional components, will be there: 'apt', man pages and some editor?
> Thank.

What is your goal in doing another install?  If you want a text interface, 
then open a terminal window and make it full screen.  Poof!  Best of both 
worlds.

Mark

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mark@neidorff.com:
> 
> What is your goal in doing another install?  If you want a text interface, 
> then open a terminal window and make it full screen.  Poof!  Best of both 
> worlds.

True. And for more isolation but without the requirement for reboots
(and a separate kernel) you can use chroots.

J.
-- 
Scientists know what they are talking about.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
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#195036

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:25:02 +0200
Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> wrote:

> mark@neidorff.com:
> > 
> > What is your goal in doing another install?  If you want a text
> > interface, then open a terminal window and make it full screen.
> > Poof!  Best of both worlds.  
> 
> True. And for more isolation but without the requirement for reboots
> (and a separate kernel) you can use chroots.
> 

Funny how different people see things different ways. My take on the
OP's need for a separate installation was what I have often done with
servers, to have a completely independent boot environment available
for disaster recovery, with fstab already set up to mount the main
installation partitions, scripts for chroot, configuration
documentation, etc.

-- 
Joe

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#195016

On 04/23/2018 01:08 PM, Gdsi wrote:
> Hi all.
> On my disk is a little free space at which I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.
> A few times I tried doing it but always there was a excess , as the installer don't say exactly what is into minimal inst-ion, and I'm afraid there's kernel only.
>   If I shall not be setting check marks for additional components, will be there: 'apt', man pages and some editor?
> Thank.


While installing and you check no boxes to add packages or desktop you 
get Debian Base install, command line, apt, dpkg and internet. Package 
'net-tools' is installed so you have ifconfig if needed. This is the 
same for all current Debian releases.

Cheers!
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - Intel 4-M, 1.9GHz - 1G RAM - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

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#195035

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 04:33:00PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> While installing and you check no boxes to add packages or desktop you get
> Debian Base install, command line, apt, dpkg and internet.

Correct.

> Package
> 'net-tools' is installed so you have ifconfig if needed. This is the same
> for all current Debian releases.

Incorrect.  net-tools is deprecated, and not installed by default in
stretch.  iproute2 is installed by default.

Of course, if you simply configure your network by editing
/etc/network/interfaces and running ifdown/ifup commands (or rebooting),
then you wouldn't know or care which network tool package is installed.

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#195038

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 05:39:30AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.

It does.

> So Greg what package pulls in
> the things we need for internet?  I know its not network-manager.

A default install of stretch does not have the ifconfig command.
It has the ip command (which is in the iproute2 package).

You may install net-tools if you want to use the ifconfig command,
because it's what you're familiar with.  That's your choice.

Basic network setup in Debian involves editing the /etc/network/interfaces
file with a text editor, and using ifdown and ifup commands, or rebooting.
You don't actually have to run the ifconfig OR the ip command, unless
you have unusual needs.

(Or, even more basic than this, the installer does it all for you and
you never even see it at all.  For many people, this is perfect.)

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#195044

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 05:39:30AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

>> I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.
>
> It does.

Kinda.

On Buster, ifconfig and its buds are installed automatically. But if
you've written a script parsing ifconfig, you'll have to make some
changes because it's output is not the same as it used to be. Close,
but slightly different words and  data. Just enough to provide
gibberish to my scripts.

And there's the issue with the new interface labels...

-- 
Glenn English

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#195039

On 04/24/2018 05:20 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 04:33:00PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> While installing and you check no boxes to add packages or desktop you get
>> Debian Base install, command line, apt, dpkg and internet.
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> Package
>> 'net-tools' is installed so you have ifconfig if needed. This is the same
>> for all current Debian releases.
> 
> Incorrect.  net-tools is deprecated, and not installed by default in
> stretch.  iproute2 is installed by default.
> 
> Of course, if you simply configure your network by editing
> /etc/network/interfaces and running ifdown/ifup commands (or rebooting),
> then you wouldn't know or care which network tool package is installed.


I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.  So Greg what package pulls 
in the things we need for internet?  I know its not network-manager.

Thanks,
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - Intel Pentium-4-M 1.9GHz - EXT4 at 
sda2
Registered Linux User #380263

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