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  Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-22 22:10 +0100
    Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-12-22 22:20 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-12-22 22:20 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-23 12:50 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-23 13:40 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-23 12:50 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2017-12-24 03:40 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-24 06:10 +0100
    Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-12-22 23:10 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2017-12-22 23:30 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-12-22 23:30 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-12-23 00:00 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2017-12-23 01:50 +0100
          Re: Youtube - newbie guidance <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-23 11:30 +0100
            Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-23 16:10 +0100
              Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-23 17:30 +0100
          Re: Youtube - newbie guidance songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-12-23 15:10 +0100
            Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2017-12-23 16:10 +0100
            Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2017-12-24 02:50 +0100
              Re: Youtube - newbie guidance The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-12-24 03:30 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-23 11:10 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-12-23 21:40 +0100
          OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-23 22:00 +0100
            Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2017-12-23 22:20 +0100
              Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-23 22:40 +0100
            Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-23 22:30 +0100
            Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-12-26 18:40 +0100
              Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-27 05:30 +0100
                Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-12-28 06:00 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2017-12-24 00:40 +0100
    Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-23 00:40 +0100
    Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2017-12-23 04:10 +0100
      Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-23 11:20 +0100
        Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-23 12:00 +0100
          Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-12-23 12:30 +0100
            Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-23 12:50 +0100
              Re: Youtube - newbie guidance deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: Youtube - newbie guidance Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-23 13:30 +0100
              Re: Youtube - newbie guidance davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2017-12-23 23:10 +0100

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#190163 — Youtube - newbie guidance

I use User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 on a Debian Stretch machine with the MATE 
desktop.

I've never used youtube before.
I received a link to a youtube video 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.

I did not have time to watch the whole video.
How can I download and save it?
    Its content is something I will wish to review and my data cap is
    low enough that I can not just repeatedly access it If I didn't get
    some point the creator was making.
Is there some way to pause a video if I'm interrupted?

I did some searches of Synaptic. There were some hopeful hits. Their 
homepages didn't tell me if they could do what I want.

I did some web searches but again came away confused.
I suspect I'm using wrong search terms &/or there is some underlying 
assumption that I'm missing.


TIA

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> I use User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 on a Debian Stretch machine with the MATE
> desktop.
>
> I've never used youtube before.
> I received a link to a youtube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch
> ?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.
>
> I did not have time to watch the whole video.
> How can I download and save it?
>

# apt-get install youtube-dl
# youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
# <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>

Example:
# youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqCpfVwdP4
# vlc Why\ making\ energy\ from\ dirt\ might\ save\ the\ world\ _\ Rusty\
Towell\ _\ TEDxACU-jDqCpfVwdP4.mkv


Is there some way to pause a video if I'm interrupted?
>

Depends on your player, but ... Yes.




-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:

>
>> # apt-get install youtube-dl
> # youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
> # <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>
>
> Example:
> # youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqCpfVwdP4
> # vlc Why\ making\ energy\ from\ dirt\ might\ save\ the\ world\ _\ Rusty\
> Towell\ _\ TEDxACU-jDqCpfVwdP4.mkv
>
>
Errr..., you probably wouldn't want to do the steps after the apt-get as
the root user.

-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#190195

On Sat 23 Dec 2017 at 05:39:46 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 12/22/2017 03:10 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > I use User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 on a Debian Stretch machine with the MATE
> > > desktop.
> > > 
> > > I've never used youtube before.
> > > I received a link to a youtube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch
> > > ?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.
> > > 
> > > I did not have time to watch the whole video.
> > > How can I download and save it?
> > > 
> > 
> > # apt-get install youtube-dl
> > # youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
> > # <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>
> > 
> 
> That did very nicely. The Debian package includes "mpv Media Player".

Really?

-- 
Brian.

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#190203

On 2017-12-23, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> That did very nicely. The Debian package includes "mpv Media Player".
>
> Really?
>

It's a total rec.

-- 
"An autobiography is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful.
A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life
when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats."
— George Orwell

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#190196

On 12/22/2017 03:10 PM, Kent West wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>> I use User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 on a Debian Stretch machine with the MATE
>> desktop.
>>
>> I've never used youtube before.
>> I received a link to a youtube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch
>> ?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.
>>
>> I did not have time to watch the whole video.
>> How can I download and save it?
>>
>
> # apt-get install youtube-dl
> # youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
> # <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>
>

That did very nicely. The Debian package includes "mpv Media Player".

Now all I have to do is get an external speaker in order to get 
comfortable volume. Would mpv be able to send the audio to a bluetooth? 
Saw a convenient size speaker sometime back at a local computer store.

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#190235

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:10:27 -0600
Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

...

> > I've never used youtube before.
> > I received a link to a youtube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch
> > ?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.
> >
> > I did not have time to watch the whole video.
> > How can I download and save it?
> >
> 
> # apt-get install youtube-dl
> # youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
> # <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>

Just one additional trick: as I learned from this list a while back,
mpv has a convenient hook script that invokes youtube-dl itself,
letting you just do something like:

$ mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjlCUN975C0

Celejar

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#190239

On 12/23/2017 08:31 PM, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:10:27 -0600
> Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>> I've never used youtube before.
>>> I received a link to a youtube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch
>>> ?v=82_bPWyrPFc> which played fine.
>>>
>>> I did not have time to watch the whole video.
>>> How can I download and save it?
>>>
>>
>> # apt-get install youtube-dl
>> # youtube-dl <some-youtube-URL>
>> # <some-media-payer> <name-of-downloaded-file>
>
> Just one additional trick: as I learned from this list a while back,
> mpv has a convenient hook script that invokes youtube-dl itself,
> letting you just do something like:
>
> $ mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjlCUN975C0
>
> Celejar
>
>

Thank you.

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#190167

Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:

> I've never used youtube before.

One thing to note explicitly: YouTube is deliberately designed to thwart
downloading videos.

YouTube's owner (Google, Alphabet, whatever they call themselves next
year) have chosen a business model [0] that benefits when more people
keep watching videos *via the site* [1]. So downloading videos from the
site works directly against the business model they have chosen.

I say this by way of explaining that, while there are many tools that
can download videos from the site for offline viewing, the YouTube
operators do not support this and will change the site without notice,
in ways that cause such tools to stop working.

> I did not have time to watch the whole video.
> How can I download and save it?

I am a happy user of ‘youtube-dl’ as suggested in this thread. There are
others that can work well too.

Just be prepared for the site owner's indifference, even hostility, to
any such tool. None of them will keep working when YouTube is
arbitrarily changed, which happens a number of times each year.

> Is there some way to pause a video if I'm interrupted?

This, too, works against the business model the site owners have chosen.
I expect they will never implement such a feature.

So yes, downloading the video for offline viewing – i.e. thwarting that
business model – is IMO the sensible choice.


[0] The site owners explicitly shifted from trying to maximise how many
    times you view their videos, to *how much time on site* you spend.
    <URL:https://www.businessinsider.com.au/youtube-watch-time-vs-views-2015-7>

[1] YouTube has many ways to watch their videos on other sites. All of
    them entail staying online and communicating continually with the
    YouTube site about what you're doing.

-- 
 \       “The best in us does not require the worst in us: Our love of |
  `\     other human beings does not need to be nurtured by delusion.” |
_o__)                             —Sam Harris, at _Beyond Belief 2006_ |
Ben Finney

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#190168

On 2017-12-23 09:06 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

> Just be prepared for the site owner's indifference, even
> hostility, to any such tool. None of them will keep working
> when YouTube is arbitrarily changed, which happens a number of
> times each year.

Right. You occasionally have to install a new version from
upstream, which in this case is easy : download from their site
and plop into /usr/local/bin or ~/bin so that command
"youtube-dl" refers to the new version instead of the now
useless /usr/bin/youtube-dl provided by the Debian package.

-- 
André Majorel <http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
If the Debian project published their users' email addresses,
we'd be getting spam. So I'm glad they don't.

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#190169

Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> writes:

> You occasionally have to install a new version [of ‘youtube-dl’] from
> upstream, which in this case is easy : download from their site and
> plop into /usr/local/bin or ~/bin so that command "youtube-dl" refers
> to the new version instead of the now useless /usr/bin/youtube-dl
> provided by the Debian package.

I recommend against that. One important reason we install packages from
Debian is so that we *don't* need to manage and run arbitrary code from
upstream.

Doing that also breaks package tracking when a security or other update
is needed, losing another benefit of running the Debian package.

The Debian package ‘youtube-dl’ in Unstable is typically updated within
a day or two if YouTube breaks the interface.

    <URL:https://packages.debian.org/sid/youtube-dl>

I recommend downloading the *Debian package* of the new version when it
is available, and installing that. You will then continue enjoying the
benefits of running the program as packaged in Debian.

-- 
 \            “The whole area of [treating source code as intellectual |
  `\    property] is almost assuring a customer that you are not going |
_o__)               to do any innovation in the future.” —Gary Barnett |
Ben Finney

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#190170

Ben Finney wrote:
>> Richard asked:
...
>> Is there some way to pause a video if I'm interrupted?
>
> This, too, works against the business model the site owners have chosen.
> I expect they will never implement such a feature.

  there is a pause button, just don't close the
tab.  :)

  the alternative is to write down the time stamp
and to just skip forwards to that next time you
pull up the bookmark (click on the bar on the
bottom as it is playing and it will give you the
time stamp at that location).


  songbird

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#190180

On 12/22/2017 05:57 PM, songbird wrote:
> Ben Finney wrote:
>>> Richard asked:
> ...
>>> Is there some way to pause a video if I'm interrupted?
>> This, too, works against the business model the site owners have chosen.
>> I expect they will never implement such a feature.
>    there is a pause button, just don't close the
> tab.  :)

This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid. If you pause a video
you can then close the tab, the browser, turn off the computer. If
you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account, you can then log in
on another device and navigate to that video, and it will start from
just before where you paused it. It's actually quite convenient.
-- 

Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
http://reasonablyliterate.com

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 07:40:56PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:

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> This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid [...]

That's *exactly* the reason...

> [...] If you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account [...]

... why I'd *never* *ever* be "logged into" any of the YT or Google
accounts. It's enough to make trackability easier for them whithin
a session, but across sessions? Disgusting.

> on another device and navigate to that video [...]

And then, across devices? Pfft. No way. Not for me.

Cheers
- -- t
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#190207

On Saturday 23 December 2017 05:19:48 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 07:40:56PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid [...]
>
> That's *exactly* the reason...
>
> > [...] If you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account [...]
>
> ... why I'd *never* *ever* be "logged into" any of the YT or Google
> accounts. It's enough to make trackability easier for them whithin
> a session, but across sessions? Disgusting.
>
> > on another device and navigate to that video [...]
>
> And then, across devices? Pfft. No way. Not for me.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
Its nor paranoia, if they really are out to get you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#190211

On 2017-12-23, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>>
>> ... why I'd *never* *ever* be "logged into" any of the YT or Google
>> accounts. It's enough to make trackability easier for them whithin
>> a session, but across sessions? Disgusting.
>>
>> > on another device and navigate to that video [...]
>>
>> And then, across devices? Pfft. No way. Not for me.
>>
>> Cheers
>> -- t
> Its nor paranoia, if they really are out to get you.

We are familiar with his opinion of G. because he
repeats it at every opportunity. 

> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
"An autobiography is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful.
A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life
when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats."
— George Orwell

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#190206

Carl Fink wrote:
> On 12/22/2017 05:57 PM, songbird wrote:
...
>>    there is a pause button, just don't close the
>> tab.  :)
>
> This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid. If you pause a video
> you can then close the tab, the browser, turn off the computer. If
> you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account, you can then log in
> on another device and navigate to that video, and it will start from
> just before where you paused it. It's actually quite convenient.

  one big assumption there...  i've never logged into
youtube.


  songbird

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#190208

On 12/23/2017 08:48 AM, songbird wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
>> On 12/22/2017 05:57 PM, songbird wrote:
> ...
>>>     there is a pause button, just don't close the
>>> tab.  :)
>> This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid. If you pause a video
>> you can then close the tab, the browser, turn off the computer. If
>> you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account, you can then log in
>> on another device and navigate to that video, and it will start from
>> just before where you paused it. It's actually quite convenient.
>    one big assumption there...  i've never logged into
> youtube.
>
No, the feature exists whether you use it or not.

-- 
Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
http://reasonablyliterate.com

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#190233

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017, songbird wrote:

> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 08:48:53
> From: songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Youtube - newbie guidance
> Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:06:55 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> Carl Fink wrote:
>> On 12/22/2017 05:57 PM, songbird wrote:
> ...
>>>    there is a pause button, just don't close the
>>> tab.  :)
>>
>> This is incorrect. Google/Alphabet is not stupid. If you pause a video
>> you can then close the tab, the browser, turn off the computer. If
>> you were logged into your YouTube (Google) account, you can then log in
>> on another device and navigate to that video, and it will start from
>> just before where you paused it. It's actually quite convenient.
>
>  one big assumption there...  i've never logged into
> youtube.
>
>
>  songbird
>
>

-- 

Correction on that software package, it's called cclive and it downloads 
youtube videos and is a command line app for those that can handle the 
command line.

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#190234

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On 2017-12-23 at 20:47, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Correction on that software package, it's called cclive and it
> downloads youtube videos and is a command line app for those that can
> handle the command line.

(Why did you post that _after_ the '-- ' signature-delimiter line? That
makes it unnecessarily hard to quote your post, at least in mail clients
which respect the signature delimiter.)

cclive used to be a better and more versatile option than youtube-dl,
but last I'd checked, it had been essentially abandoned some years ago;
the most recent post to its development mailing list by the person who
appears to have been its active developer was in November of 2013.

It's based on libquvi, which is similarly abandoned; the most recent
post indicating meaningful activity on its development mailing list was
in July of 2015.

Given how frequently some of the sites supported by quvi (including,
especially, YouTube) change their formats, and how many times quvi's
YouTube support got broken that way even while it was being actively
developed, I would be exceedingly surprised if cclive actually still
worked for more than a subset of YouTube videos nowadays.

I used to use cclive by preference over youtube-dl, but since quvi
development / maintenance effectively ceased, I've migrated over to
youtube-dl and have had no reason to regret the switch.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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