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| Started by | Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> |
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| First post | 2017-10-07 18:30 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-10-14 12:40 +0200 |
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What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> - 2017-10-07 18:30 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> - 2017-10-07 18:30 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-10-07 19:40 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> - 2017-10-08 05:10 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Daniel Keast <daniel@kea.st> - 2017-10-08 10:10 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-10-07 21:00 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> - 2017-10-08 05:10 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-10-08 10:00 +0200
Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-10-14 12:40 +0200
| From | Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> |
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| Date | 2017-10-07 18:30 +0200 |
| Subject | What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uy09b-1vE-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my packages successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following only stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it successfully upgrades few packages. Is this a safe way to stick with stable? -- Regards, Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp>
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| From | Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> |
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| Date | 2017-10-07 18:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uy09c-1vE-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187695 |
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Any kind of help is already appreciated :) On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 07:55:21PM +0330, Mostafa Shahverdy wrote: > Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my packages > successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following only > stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it > successfully upgrades few packages. > > Is this a safe way to stick with stable? > > -- > Regards, > Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp> -- Regards, Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp>
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2017-10-07 19:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uy1eV-27a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187695 |
On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 19:55:22 +0330 Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> wrote: > Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my > packages successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am > following only stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get > dist-upgrade` it successfully upgrades few packages. > > Is this a safe way to stick with stable? > Yes. I am assuming you made a new stable installation, you have not just changed the repository from unstable to stable. That will most definitely not work. Are you asking why only a few packages are upgraded, compared to unstable? Stable should not need many upgrades. In unstable, package versions are frequently upgraded, most of the software has bugs, and sometimes the entire architecture of a linked group of programs is changed. In general, software versions in stable do not change, except for web browsers and anti-virus software. Security bugs are fixed, though not normally functional bugs. Debian stable is often used in servers, where a change of behaviour due to a bug being fixed may cause worse problems than the bug did. The whole purpose of stable is to be an unchanging platform, as far as is possible. That means that the software versions are largely frozen months before release, and will never change. If you need fairly up-to-date software all the time, then stable is not the correct distribution to use, either testing or unstable are more appropriate. -- Joe
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| From | Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> |
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| Date | 2017-10-08 05:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uya8x-89l-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187697 |
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> Yes. I am assuming you made a new stable installation, you have not > just changed the repository from unstable to stable. That will most > definitely not work. > > Are you asking why only a few packages are upgraded, compared to > unstable? > > Stable should not need many upgrades. In unstable, package versions are > frequently upgraded, most of the software has bugs, and sometimes the > entire architecture of a linked group of programs is changed. > > In general, software versions in stable do not change, except for web > browsers and anti-virus software. Security bugs are fixed, though not > normally functional bugs. Debian stable is often used in servers, where > a change of behaviour due to a bug being fixed may cause worse problems > than the bug did. > > The whole purpose of stable is to be an unchanging platform, as far as > is possible. That means that the software versions are largely frozen > months before release, and will never change. If you need fairly > up-to-date software all the time, then stable is not the correct > distribution to use, either testing or unstable are more appropriate. > I know that my packages are ahead at the moment, but what about the future? My question is can I get updates in the future? For example the time that the `buster` becomes stable, can I securely update/upgrade? This is my personal PC. -- Regards, Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp>
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| From | Daniel Keast <daniel@kea.st> |
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| Date | 2017-10-08 10:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uyeOS-2JV-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187708 |
On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 06:30:03AM +0330, Mostafa Shahverdy wrote: > > Yes. I am assuming you made a new stable installation, you have not > > just changed the repository from unstable to stable. That will most > > definitely not work. > > > > Are you asking why only a few packages are upgraded, compared to > > unstable? > > > > Stable should not need many upgrades. In unstable, package versions are > > frequently upgraded, most of the software has bugs, and sometimes the > > entire architecture of a linked group of programs is changed. > > > > In general, software versions in stable do not change, except for web > > browsers and anti-virus software. Security bugs are fixed, though not > > normally functional bugs. Debian stable is often used in servers, where > > a change of behaviour due to a bug being fixed may cause worse problems > > than the bug did. > > > > The whole purpose of stable is to be an unchanging platform, as far as > > is possible. That means that the software versions are largely frozen > > months before release, and will never change. If you need fairly > > up-to-date software all the time, then stable is not the correct > > distribution to use, either testing or unstable are more appropriate. > > > I know that my packages are ahead at the moment, but what about the > future? My question is can I get updates in the future? For example the time > that the `buster` becomes stable, can I securely update/upgrade? > This is my personal PC. > -- > Regards, > Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp> Why not just use Buster? What your saying will probably work, but in the meantime you'll have a broken insecure system. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian Buster probably wont become stable until about 2019. -- Daniel Keast, Hatherleigh, UK
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-10-07 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uy2ul-2SQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187695 |
Mostafa Shahverdy wrote: > Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my > packages successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following > only stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it > successfully upgrades few packages. > > Is this a safe way to stick with stable? > It is not exactly clear what "while ago" means. For example if you were using unstable=stretch when stable=jessie and then switched to stable, when stable=stretch it sounds reasonable. If it is not the case, which is not very likely as you still get updates, the versions of the packages will be higher than the one available in the repository, so it is strange that you even get updates. I would not expect such to be offered. We usually do for regular updating apt-get update apt-get upgrade not dist-upgrade With stable doing so you can be 99.99999% sure that it will work. At least from my experience from the past 10+y. Note however that if you work on production environment in case libc and friends get updated reboot or restart of services is required to load newer libc ... You've got the response by Joe, where is explained what the purpose of stable is. regards
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| From | Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> |
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| Date | 2017-10-08 05:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable? |
| Message-ID | <uya8x-89l-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187698 |
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> It is not exactly clear what "while ago" means. For example if you were > using unstable=stretch when stable=jessie and then switched to stable, when > stable=stretch it sounds reasonable. > If it is not the case, which is not very likely as you still get updates, > the versions of the packages will be higher than the one available in the > repository, so it is strange that you even get updates. I would not expect > such to be offered. > I believe unstable was `buster` and my current installed packages are from `buster`. I know that most my packages are ahead, but what about like 10 month from now that `buster` becomes stable? -- Regards, Mostafa Shahverdy <http://www.mostafa.info/pgp>
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-10-08 10:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uyeFb-2os-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187709 |
Mostafa Shahverdy wrote: > I believe unstable was `buster` and my current installed packages are > from `buster`. I know that most my packages are ahead, but what about > like 10 month from now that `buster` becomes stable? cat /etc/debian_version 9.1 is stretch I would suggest keep the name buster in apt/source - it will not make difference when it will become stable. Do regular apt-get update/upgrade. regards
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| From | kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-10-14 12:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uAs1j-88a-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #187695 |
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Mostafa Shahverdy <mostafa@mostafa.info> wrote: > Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my packages > successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following only > stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it > successfully upgrades few packages. > > Is this a safe way to stick with stable? > If your idea is to eventually track stable if and when buster becomes stable, then your approach is fine. One side note: If you put "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt will try to "upgrade" the packages to whatever is the current stable version. Currently that is Stretch and it will be buster after the next release etc., If you put "buster" in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt will try to track the buster release irrespective of whether it is currently stable or testing. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog
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