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  x : keyboard not working Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> - 2017-10-06 17:00 +0200
    Re: x : keyboard not working Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-10-06 17:10 +0200
      Re: x : keyboard not working Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> - 2017-10-06 18:00 +0200
        Re: x : keyboard not working Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-06 20:00 +0200
        Re: x : keyboard not working Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-06 21:40 +0200
          Re: x : keyboard not working Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-06 22:40 +0200
            Re: x : keyboard not working Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 00:40 +0200
              Re: x : keyboard not working Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-07 01:00 +0200
                Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 03:30 +0200
                  Re: x : keyboard not working Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-10-07 07:20 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-07 13:30 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-09 05:50 +0200
          Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-06 23:40 +0200
            Re: x : keyboard not working Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 00:20 +0200
              Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-07 00:40 +0200
                Re: x : keyboard not working Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 01:00 +0200
                  Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 03:40 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-07 13:20 +0200
                      Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-09 06:20 +0200
                        Re: x : keyboard not working Mattia Oss <mais.toast@gmail.com> - 2017-10-09 20:30 +0200
                          Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-13 00:20 +0200
                      Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-09 06:30 +0200
    Re: x : keyboard not working <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-10-06 17:10 +0200
      Re: x : keyboard not working Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> - 2017-10-06 17:50 +0200
        Re: x : keyboard not working tomas@tuxteam.de - 2017-10-06 18:30 +0200
          Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-06 20:40 +0200
            Re: x : keyboard not working deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-10-07 01:10 +0200
              Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-07 04:20 +0200
              Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-07 06:20 +0200
                Re: x : keyboard not working <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-10-07 09:30 +0200
                  Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-07 11:10 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-10-07 11:20 +0200
                      Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-07 12:00 +0200
                  Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-07 13:40 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-07 16:20 +0200
                      Re: x : keyboard not working Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-10-08 04:20 +0200
                        Re: x : keyboard not working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-10-08 05:40 +0200
                          Re: x : keyboard not working Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2017-10-08 06:00 +0200
                            Re: x : keyboard not working Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-10-08 07:10 +0200
                    Re: x : keyboard not working Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2017-10-13 00:50 +0200
        Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-13 05:00 +0200
    Re: x : keyboard not working David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-10-06 18:50 +0200
    Re: x : keyboard not working Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2017-10-07 11:30 +0200

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#187797

On Mon 09 Oct 2017 at 20:23:18 (+0200), Mattia Oss wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 11:11:26PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > I avoid having to copy those files by appending my changes to
> > /etc/console-setup/remap.inc and then running
> > dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration.
> > But I'm not making major changes like you, just some modifications
> > to make the VCs behave like X, and eliminating the annoyance when
> > you catch your finger or thumb on Alt as you hit the space bar.
> > 
> > # Ctrl-arrow keys need to send the same codes as in X/xterm.
> > Control keycode 105 = F51
> > string F51 = "\033[1;5D"
> > Control keycode 106 = F52
> > string F52 = "\033[1;5C"
> > Control keycode 108 = F53
> > string F53 = "\033[1;5B"
> > Control keycode 103 = F54
> > string F54 = "\033[1;5A"
> > 
> > # Alt-space may as well produce a space rather than
> > # nul Meta_nul or Meta_space
> > alt keycode 57 = F41
> > string F41 = " "
> 
> So this is the right® way to have a custom keyboard layout in Debian?

This thread is derived from an earlier one entitled:
"text-mode : console : resolution : vga 80x25 : how to set?".
Although the OP had given up on consoles, I had hoped that
my post there might reawaken interest. Hence I have strived
here to make any configurations I have suggested applicable
to both VCs and X.

> I
> always edited the files in /usr/share/X11/xkb but everytime xkb-data is
> updated they are silently overwritten.
> How do I get something like:
> key <AB10> { [ slash, underscore, minus ] };
> 
> Do you have a good link to share?

I would look at this thread's post previous to the one you
replied to. This deals with making extensive alterations,
whereas mine are piecemeal (a few keys, single modifier)
for which remap.inc works well (and can keep VCs/X in sync).

Cheers,
David.

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#187769

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 22:14:41 (+1100), Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> Yes I too like to have console work as well as x/gui terms (which I
> mostly live in TBH).
> 
> I've now done this over a dozen times in the last month, and
> consistently, this works, to get the extra symbols I'm after - and
> yes, the Ctrl-Alt-Bksp to terminate X, but, running this afterwards:
> 
>   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data keyboard-configuration
> 
> Perhaps this is the bit that some folks might have missed...
> 
> And finally, from a straight Linux console, I also run this:
> 
>   sudo setupcon

I should have mentioned that it's advisable to run at least
one of these commands …

 setupcon
 dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

(quite honestly I can't remember which one(s) gives the problem)

… from a "real" linux console, and not a VC that you switched
to while X was running. It's all to do with X's tendency to
save and restore various things when switching.

Cheers,
David.

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#187637

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On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:22:41PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:

[X keyboard not working]

This depends on a couple of things. E.g. is your X using X input?
If yes, it's supposed to work automagically. If not, you might need
to put a stanza in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf which looks more or less
like

  Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier "the-keyboard"
    Driver "kbd"
    Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
  EndSection

or something similar.

Could you post your X server's log? Where is it located?
(the two possibilities know to me are ~/.local/share/xorg/
and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, depending on whether your X server
runs rootless or not).

Cheers
- -- tomás
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#187639

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 05:02:45PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:22:41PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> 
> [X keyboard not working]
> 
> This depends on a couple of things. E.g. is your X using X input?
> If yes, it's supposed to work automagically. If not, you might need
> to put a stanza in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf which looks more or less
> like
> 
>   Section "InputDevice"
>     Identifier "the-keyboard"
>     Driver "kbd"
>     Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
>   EndSection
> 
> or something similar.
> 
> Could you post your X server's log? Where is it located?
> (the two possibilities know to me are ~/.local/share/xorg/
> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, depending on whether your X server
> runs rootless or not).

sure, your stanza for /etc/X11/xorg.conf didn't work, it just
refused to startup the X server itself.
actually, that file itself did not exist at that location, i
had to create it, and when it didn't work, i deleted it, and
the same old stuff was on again, i.e. X worked, but keyboard
didn't.
please find below my X server's log;

[   533.054] 
X.Org X Server 1.19.2
Release Date: 2017-03-02
[   533.060] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[   533.063] Build Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 x86_64 Debian
[   533.065] Current Operating System: Linux tiny 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64
[   533.065] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet
[   533.069] Build Date: 07 July 2017  06:14:06AM
[   533.072] xorg-server 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1 (https://www.debian.org/support) 
[   533.074] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0
[   533.078] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[   533.078] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[   533.088] (==) Log file: "/home/mayuresh/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Oct  6 21:12:15 2017
[   533.121] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[   533.122] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[   533.122] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[   533.122] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[   533.122] (**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
[   533.123] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
	Using a default monitor configuration.
[   533.123] (==) Automatically adding devices
[   533.123] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[   533.124] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[   533.124] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff
[   533.151] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[   533.151] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[   533.156] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/" does not exist.
[   533.156] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[   533.156] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1" does not exist.
[   533.156] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[   533.156] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi" does not exist.
[   533.156] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[   533.156] (==) FontPath set to:
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
	built-ins
[   533.156] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[   533.156] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[   533.157] (II) Loader magic: 0x5636ced75e00
[   533.157] (II) Module ABI versions:
[   533.157] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[   533.157] 	X.Org Video Driver: 23.0
[   533.157] 	X.Org XInput driver : 24.1
[   533.157] 	X.Org Server Extension : 10.0
[   533.161] (++) using VT number 2

[   533.170] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_33
[   533.172] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[   533.174] (II) systemd-logind: got fd for /dev/dri/card0 226:0 fd 11 paused 0
[   533.178] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:22b1:103c:82e1 rev 53, Mem @ 0x90000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x00001000/64, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
[   533.178] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[   533.181] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[   533.412] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.412] 	compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 1.0.0
[   533.412] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0
[   533.412] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 0
[   533.412] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 1
[   533.412] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 2
[   533.412] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[   533.412] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[   533.413] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[   533.439] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.439] 	compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 1.19.2
[   533.439] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[   533.439] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[   533.439] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"
[   533.440] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
[   533.469] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.469] 	compiled for 1.19.0, module version = 0.4.4
[   533.469] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[   533.470] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[   533.470] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[   533.470] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[   533.472] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.472] 	compiled for 1.19.0, module version = 2.3.4
[   533.472] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[   533.472] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[   533.472] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
[   533.473] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev
[   533.473] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[   533.473] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[   533.474] (II) modeset(0): using drv /dev/dri/card0
[   533.474] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[   533.474] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[   533.474] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[   533.475] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
[   533.485] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.485] 	compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 0.0.2
[   533.485] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[   533.486] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[   533.486] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
[   533.486] (II) modeset(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
	"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[   533.486] (==) modeset(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[   533.486] (==) modeset(0): RGB weight 888
[   533.486] (==) modeset(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[   533.486] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl"
[   533.486] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl"
[   533.486] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
[   533.668] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   533.668] 	compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 1.0.0
[   533.668] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[   533.668] (II) glamor: OpenGL accelerated X.org driver based.
[   533.991] (II) glamor: EGL version 1.4 (DRI2):
[   534.075] (II) modeset(0): glamor initialized
[   534.077] (II) modeset(0): Output eDP-1 has no monitor section
[   534.077] (II) modeset(0): Output DP-1 has no monitor section
[   534.080] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 has no monitor section
[   534.085] (II) modeset(0): Output DP-2 has no monitor section
[   534.268] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-2 has no monitor section
[   534.268] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output eDP-1
[   534.268] (II) modeset(0): Manufacturer: AUO  Model: 235c  Serial#: 0
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Year: 2014  Week: 1
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): EDID Version: 1.4
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Digital Display Input
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): 6 bits per channel
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Digital interface is DisplayPort
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 26  vert.: 14
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Gamma: 2.20
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Preferred mode is native pixel format and refresh rate
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): redX: 0.567 redY: 0.334   greenX: 0.330 greenY: 0.569
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): blueX: 0.155 blueY: 0.136   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): Supported detailed timing:
[   534.269] (II) modeset(0): clock: 76.3 MHz   Image Size:  256 x 144 mm
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1404  h_sync_end 1426 h_blank_end 1592 h_border: 0
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 777 v_blanking: 798 v_border: 0
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): Supported detailed timing:
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): clock: 50.9 MHz   Image Size:  256 x 144 mm
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1404  h_sync_end 1426 h_blank_end 1592 h_border: 0
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 777 v_blanking: 798 v_border: 0
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): Unknown vendor-specific block 2
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): EDID (in hex):
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	00ffffffffffff0006af5c2300000000
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	01180104951a0e78026bf59155549127
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	22505400000001010101010101010101
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	010101010101ce1d56e250001e302616
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	3600009010000018df1356e250001e30
[   534.270] (II) modeset(0): 	26163600009010000018000000000000
[   534.271] (II) modeset(0): 	00000000000000000000000000000002
[   534.271] (II) modeset(0): 	001048ff0f3c6e5005186e202020002b
[   534.271] (II) modeset(0): Printing probed modes for output eDP-1
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1366x768"x60.1   76.30  1366 1404 1426 1592  768 771 777 798 -hsync -vsync (47.9 kHz eP)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1366x768"x40.0   50.87  1366 1404 1426 1592  768 771 777 798 -hsync -vsync (32.0 kHz e)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1360x768"x59.8   84.75  1360 1432 1568 1776  768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync (47.7 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1360x768"x60.0   72.00  1360 1408 1440 1520  768 771 781 790 +hsync -vsync (47.4 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1024x768"x120.1  133.47  1024 1100 1212 1400  768 768 770 794 doublescan -hsync +vsync (95.3 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "960x720"x120.0  117.00  960 1024 1128 1300  720 720 722 750 doublescan -hsync +vsync (90.0 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "928x696"x120.1  109.15  928 976 1088 1264  696 696 698 719 doublescan -hsync +vsync (86.4 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "896x672"x120.0  102.40  896 960 1060 1224  672 672 674 697 doublescan -hsync +vsync (83.7 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "960x600"x120.0   77.00  960 984 1000 1040  600 601 604 617 doublescan +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "960x540"x120.0   69.25  960 984 1000 1040  540 541 544 555 doublescan +hsync -vsync (66.6 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x120.0   81.00  800 832 928 1080  600 600 602 625 doublescan +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz d)
[   534.272] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "840x525"x120.0   73.12  840 892 980 1120  525 526 529 544 doublescan -hsync +vsync (65.3 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "840x525"x119.8   59.50  840 864 880 920  525 526 529 540 doublescan +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x512"x120.3   51.56  800 800 828 832  512 512 514 515 doublescan +hsync +vsync (62.0 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "700x525"x120.0   61.00  700 744 820 940  525 526 532 541 doublescan +hsync +vsync (64.9 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x512"x120.0   54.00  640 664 720 844  512 512 514 533 doublescan +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "720x450"x119.8   53.25  720 760 836 952  450 451 454 467 doublescan -hsync +vsync (55.9 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x120.0   54.00  640 688 744 900  480 480 482 500 doublescan +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "680x384"x119.6   42.38  680 716 784 888  384 385 390 399 doublescan -hsync +vsync (47.7 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "680x384"x119.9   36.00  680 704 720 760  384 385 390 395 doublescan +hsync -vsync (47.4 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "576x432"x120.1   40.81  576 608 668 760  432 432 434 447 doublescan -hsync +vsync (53.7 kHz d)
[   534.273] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "512x384"x120.0   32.50  512 524 592 672  384 385 388 403 doublescan -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz d)
[   534.274] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "400x300"x120.6   20.00  400 420 484 528  300 300 302 314 doublescan +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz d)
[   534.274] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "400x300"x112.7   18.00  400 412 448 512  300 300 301 312 doublescan +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz d)
[   534.274] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "320x240"x120.1   12.59  320 328 376 400  240 245 246 262 doublescan -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz d)
[   534.274] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output DP-1
[   534.276] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output HDMI-1
[   534.284] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output DP-2
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): EDID for output HDMI-2
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output eDP-1 connected
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output DP-1 disconnected
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 disconnected
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output DP-2 disconnected
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-2 disconnected
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
[   534.468] (II) modeset(0): Output eDP-1 using initial mode 1366x768 +0+0
[   534.468] (==) modeset(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[   534.468] (==) modeset(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[   534.468] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[   534.468] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[   534.468] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[   534.475] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   534.475] 	compiled for 1.19.2, module version = 1.0.0
[   534.475] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[   534.475] (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev"
[   534.475] (II) Unloading fbdev
[   534.475] (II) UnloadSubModule: "fbdevhw"
[   534.475] (II) Unloading fbdevhw
[   534.475] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa"
[   534.475] (II) Unloading vesa
[   534.475] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
[   534.699] (==) modeset(0): Backing store enabled
[   534.699] (==) modeset(0): Silken mouse enabled
[   534.701] (II) modeset(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
[   534.703] (==) modeset(0): DPMS enabled
[   534.703] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
[   534.703] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: i965
[   534.703] (II) modeset(0): [DRI2]   VDPAU driver: i965
[   534.704] (--) RandR disabled
[   534.711] (II) SELinux: Disabled on system
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_profile
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_create_context_es{,2}_profile
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
[   534.719] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_robustness
[   534.720] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i965
[   534.720] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
[   534.734] (II) modeset(0): Damage tracking initialized
[   534.735] (II) modeset(0): Setting screen physical size to 361 x 203
[   535.253] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event5)
[   535.253] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.253] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.254] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event10)
[   535.254] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.254] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.254] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event4)
[   535.254] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.254] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.256] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP Webcam (/dev/input/event8)
[   535.256] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.256] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.256] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Digital PCBeep (/dev/input/event11)
[   535.256] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.256] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.257] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Mic (/dev/input/event12)
[   535.257] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.257] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.257] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Headphone (/dev/input/event13)
[   535.257] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.257] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.258] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3 (/dev/input/event14)
[   535.258] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.258] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.258] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SYNA7813:00 06CB:16DE (/dev/input/event2)
[   535.258] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.258] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.259] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SYNA7813:00 06CB:16DE (/dev/input/mouse1)
[   535.259] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.259] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.259] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Intel Virtual Button driver (/dev/input/event6)
[   535.259] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.259] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
[   535.260] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.260] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.261] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad (/dev/input/event1)
[   535.261] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
[   535.261] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "Default clickpad buttons"
[   535.261] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
[   535.261] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
[   535.306] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[   535.306] 	compiled for 1.19.0, module version = 1.9.0
[   535.306] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
[   535.306] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 24.1
[   535.306] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad'
[   535.311] (II) systemd-logind: got fd for /dev/input/event1 13:65 fd 20 paused 0
[   535.311] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: always reports core events
[   535.312] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
[   535.313] (II) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: found clickpad property
[   535.313] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: x-axis range 0 - 2800 (res 31)
[   535.313] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: y-axis range 0 - 1540 (res 32)
[   535.313] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: pressure range 0 - 255
[   535.313] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: finger width range 0 - 15
[   535.313] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: buttons: left double triple
[   535.314] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0xe
[   535.314] (**) Option "SoftButtonAreas" "50% 0 82% 0 0 0 0 0"
[   535.314] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
[   535.314] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: always reports core events
[   535.315] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input2/event1"
[   535.315] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 6)
[   535.315] (**) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
[   535.315] (**) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) MaxSpeed is now 1.75
[   535.315] (**) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) AccelFactor is now 0.063
[   535.316] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
[   535.316] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
[   535.316] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[   535.316] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[   535.316] (--) synaptics: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: touchpad found
[   535.317] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad (/dev/input/mouse0)
[   535.317] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
[   535.318] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer (/dev/input/event9)
[   535.318] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.318] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.318] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer (/dev/input/js0)
[   535.318] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.318] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.319] (II) config/udev: Adding input device PC Speaker (/dev/input/event7)
[   535.319] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.319] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.320] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP WMI hotkeys (/dev/input/event15)
[   535.320] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.320] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   535.320] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HP Wireless hotkeys (/dev/input/event3)
[   535.320] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[   535.320] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[   547.338] (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
[   547.338] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:65
[   548.806] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.


thanks,

~mayuresh

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#187643

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On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:16:36PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 05:02:45PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:22:41PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > 
> > [X keyboard not working]
> > 
> > This depends on a couple of things. E.g. is your X using X input?
> > If yes, it's supposed to work automagically. If not, you might need
> > to put a stanza in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf which looks more or less
> > like
> > 
> >   Section "InputDevice"
> >     Identifier "the-keyboard"
> >     Driver "kbd"
> >     Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
> >   EndSection
> > 
> > or something similar.
> > 
> > Could you post your X server's log? Where is it located?
> > (the two possibilities know to me are ~/.local/share/xorg/
> > and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, depending on whether your X server
> > runs rootless or not).
> 
> sure, your stanza for /etc/X11/xorg.conf didn't work, it just
> refused to startup the X server itself.
> actually, that file itself did not exist at that location, i
> had to create it, and when it didn't work, i deleted it, and
> the same old stuff was on again, i.e. X worked, but keyboard
> didn't.
> please find below my X server's log;
> 
> [   533.054] 
> X.Org X Server 1.19.2
> Release Date: 2017-03-02

[...]

> [   533.156] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> [   533.156] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
> 	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.

[...]

> [   535.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
> [   535.260] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
> [   535.260] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.

The above looks like a smoking gun to me...

> [   535.261] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad (/dev/input/event1)
> [   535.261] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
> [   535.261] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "Default clickpad buttons"
> [   535.261] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
> [   535.261] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
> [   535.306] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

...while this (and following) shows your touchpad happily chattering.

Note that there's no other mention of keyboard in the log file.

I must run now, so I'll leave it at that here. Perhaps someone else can pick up.

Cheers
- -- t
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#187649

On Friday 06 October 2017 12:27:12 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:16:36PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 05:02:45PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:22:41PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > >
> > > [X keyboard not working]
> > >
> > > This depends on a couple of things. E.g. is your X using X input?
> > > If yes, it's supposed to work automagically. If not, you might
> > > need to put a stanza in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf which looks more
> > > or less like
> > >
> > >   Section "InputDevice"
> > >     Identifier "the-keyboard"
> > >     Driver "kbd"
> > >     Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
> > >   EndSection
> > >
> > > or something similar.
> > >
> > > Could you post your X server's log? Where is it located?
> > > (the two possibilities know to me are ~/.local/share/xorg/
> > > and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, depending on whether your X server
> > > runs rootless or not).
> >
> > sure, your stanza for /etc/X11/xorg.conf didn't work, it just
> > refused to startup the X server itself.
> > actually, that file itself did not exist at that location, i
> > had to create it, and when it didn't work, i deleted it, and
> > the same old stuff was on again, i.e. X worked, but keyboard
> > didn't.
> > please find below my X server's log;
> >
> > [   533.054]
> > X.Org X Server 1.19.2
> > Release Date: 2017-03-02
>
> [...]
>
> > [   533.156] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> > [   533.156] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of
> > input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or
> > disable AutoAddDevices.
>
> [...]
>
> > [   535.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set
> > 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0) [   535.260] (II) No input driver
> > specified, ignoring this device. [   535.260] (II) This device may
> > have been added with another device file.
>
> The above looks like a smoking gun to me...
>
> > [   535.261] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech
> > Touchpad (/dev/input/event1) [   535.261] (**) ETPS/2 Elantech
> > Touchpad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall" [   535.261] (**)
> > ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Applying InputClass "Default clickpad
> > buttons" [   535.261] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
> > [   535.261] (II) Loading
> > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so [   535.306] (II)
> > Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>
> ...while this (and following) shows your touchpad happily chattering.
>
> Note that there's no other mention of keyboard in the log file.
>
> I must run now, so I'll leave it at that here. Perhaps someone else
> can pick up.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
I have the same effect, but different log. I have way too many keyboards, 
none of which work.  Grepping that log for "type", I get all this:
[    19.958] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "rk8xx_pwrkey" 
(type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
[    20.029] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 7)
[    20.105] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 8)
[    20.123] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
[    20.142] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 10)
[    20.159] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 11)
[    20.160] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 12)
[ 87158.337] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 7)
[ 87158.346] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
[ 87158.364] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
[ 87170.833] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 10)
[ 87170.838] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: KEYBOARD, id 11)
[ 87170.923] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB 
Receiver" (type: MOUSE, id 12)
[ 87417.673] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "MOSART Semi. 2.4G 
Keyboard Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7)
[ 87417.677] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "MOSART Semi. 2.4G 
Keyboard Mouse" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
[ 87417.694] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "MOSART Semi. 2.4G 
Keyboard Mouse" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)

Mouse moves, clicks do nothing and keyboard isn't functional.  The big 
time offsets were created when I shuffled dongles around to try a 
different keyboard, which likewise doesn't work with x. Works fine on 
vt0.

I wonder if these choruses of symptoms have a common cause? My board is a 
rock64, an arm64 board, quad core.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187664

Gene Heskett wrote:

> I have the same effect, but different log. I have way too many keyboards,
> none of which work.

Gene, do you have them connected at the same time? or you are unplugging and
plugging them after each other

Just curious ...

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#187667

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 01:01:06 (+0200), deloptes wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > I have the same effect, but different log. I have way too many keyboards,
> > none of which work.
> 
> Gene, do you have them connected at the same time? or you are unplugging and
> plugging them after each other
> 
> Just curious ...

When I plug in my Logitech Unifying Device, X appears to configure
it for a mouse, which I have, and a keyboard, long dead. (The late
keyboard, US layout, had been unified with the dongle at one time,
but has never been near this computer.)

I would imagine that Gene's dongle has the ability to run a number
of different types of mouse and keyboard.

[  1773.630] (II) config/udev: removing device Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a
[  1773.641] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Close
[  1773.642] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[  1773.642] (II) config/udev: removing device Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002
[  1773.644] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Close
[  1773.644] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"

That was me removing it. When replaced (just the once):

[  1790.017] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a (/dev/input/event1)
[  1790.017] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
[  1790.017] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a'
[  1790.017] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: always reports core events
[  1790.018] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Device: "/dev/input/event1"
[  1790.018] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Vendor 0x46d Product 0xc52b
[  1790.018] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Found 20 mouse buttons
[  1790.018] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Found scroll wheel(s)
[  1790.018] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Found relative axes
[  1790.018] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Found x and y relative axes
[  1790.018] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Configuring as mouse
[  1790.018] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: Adding scrollwheel support
[  1790.018] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
[  1790.018] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
[  1790.018] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.000D/0003:046D:C52B.000E/input/input12/event1"
[  1790.018] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a" (type: MOUSE, id 9)
[  1790.018] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: initialized for relative axes.
[  1790.018] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
[  1790.018] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: (accel) acceleration profile 0
[  1790.018] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[  1790.018] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[  1790.023] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:400a (/dev/input/mouse0)
[  1790.023] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[  1790.023] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[  1790.032] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002 (/dev/input/event2)
[  1790.032] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
[  1790.032] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002'
[  1790.032] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: always reports core events
[  1790.032] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
[  1790.032] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Vendor 0x46d Product 0xc52b
[  1790.032] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Found 1 mouse buttons
[  1790.032] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Found scroll wheel(s)
[  1790.033] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Found relative axes
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Forcing relative x/y axes to exist.
[  1790.033] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Found absolute axes
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Forcing absolute x/y axes to exist.
[  1790.033] (--) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Found keys
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Configuring as mouse
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Configuring as keyboard
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: Adding scrollwheel support
[  1790.033] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
[  1790.033] (**) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
[  1790.033] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.000D/0003:046D:C52B.000F/input/input13/event2"
[  1790.033] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002" (type: KEYBOARD, id 10)
[  1790.033] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
[  1790.033] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[  1790.033] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
[  1790.033] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
[  1790.033] (II) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: initialized for relative axes.
[  1790.033] (WW) evdev: Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: ignoring absolute axes.
[  1790.034] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
[  1790.034] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: (accel) acceleration profile 0
[  1790.034] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[  1790.034] (**) Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4002: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4

Cheers,
David.

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#187669

On Friday 06 October 2017 19:01:06 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have the same effect, but different log. I have way too many
> > keyboards, none of which work.
>
> Gene, do you have them connected at the same time? or you are
> unplugging and plugging them after each other
>
Only one at a time.

> Just curious ...

I found it via another post, console-setup was not installed, fixed that 
and dpkg-reconfigured the keyboard and the console, rebooted, x is 
running normally now. Thats a relief, I thought I was going to have to 
hack on udev. :(

Thanks for asking.  To find the clue, install locate, updatedb, then look 
for README.Debian, and out of the 40 or 50 that spits out, read the one 
with keyboard-config in its locate output line.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187672

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[...]

> Thanks for asking.  To find the clue, install locate, updatedb, then look 
> for README.Debian, and out of the 40 or 50 that spits out, read the one 
> with keyboard-config in its locate output line.

Or let the computer do the legwork:

  tomas@rasputin:~$ locate README.Debian | xargs zgrep -il keyboard
  /home/tomas/bluez-src/bluez-5.23/debian/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/aplus-fsf-el/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/kbd/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/libbluetooth3/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/xkb-data/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/xterm/README.Debian

After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't it?

Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.

Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an exercise
for the reader ;-)

Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind of
stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
disgress...

Cheers
- -- t
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#187675

On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:14:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Thanks for asking.  To find the clue, install locate, updatedb, then
> > look for README.Debian, and out of the 40 or 50 that spits out, read
> > the one with keyboard-config in its locate output line.
>
> Or let the computer do the legwork:
>
>   tomas@rasputin:~$ locate README.Debian | xargs zgrep -il keyboard
>   /home/tomas/bluez-src/bluez-5.23/debian/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/aplus-fsf-el/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/kbd/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/libbluetooth3/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/xkb-data/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/xterm/README.Debian
>
That does strip it down, but one could have just used a second piped grep 
to find the one for keyboard -configuration.
pi@picnc:~/kernel-rt-preempt/linux-rpi-4.9.y $ locate README.Debian|grep 
keyboard- -
/usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian

> After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't
> it?

Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever owned one 
windows machine. I needed a lappy for when I was half-way across the 
country playing visiting fireman at the KREX complex in Grand Junction 
CO, or at WDHS in Iron Mountain MI.  Circuit City would not sell it to 
me with a clean hard drive so I was stuck with an OEM xp install. 
Buggier than a 10 day old road kill in August too. And by the time I 
loaded it to go to the airport, it had a ManDrake install on it. And the 
xp partition got nuked 2 weeks later when I found the windows drivers 
for its radio couldn't make it work either.  That thing has a pcmcia 
card with a bcm4318 on it in it, back when bcm was suffering from the 
winders only virus.  I called bcm, and they hung up when they heard the 
word linux, we don't support it, click. That blacklisted bcm in my book 
for over a decade. The only way to fix jerks like that is to cost them 
sales until such time as the sales dept gets the message.
>
> Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
>
> Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an
> exercise for the reader ;-)
>
Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't scroll 
backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has everything 
More doesn't. :)

> Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> disgress...

Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187676

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 05:05:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't
> > it?
> 
> Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever owned one 
> windows machine.

Well, Amiga... that was something quite a bit different.

You say xp? "My" last Windows was 3.1 (programming in C, as a job).
Since then just watching Microsoft's shenanigans from the side lines.

[...]

> Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't scroll 
> backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has everything 
> More doesn't. :)

Then try this:

   less -p 'keyboard-configuration' /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian

(hey, I just solved a quarter of the reader's exercise ;-)

> > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> > of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> > disgress...
> 
> Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!

It's more. It's the dream of the Lisp Machine. But I disgress.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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#187680

On Saturday 07 October 2017 05:18:24 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 05:05:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago,
> > > ain't it?
> >
> > Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever
> > owned one windows machine.
>
> Well, Amiga... that was something quite a bit different.
>
> You say xp? "My" last Windows was 3.1 (programming in C, as a job).
> Since then just watching Microsoft's shenanigans from the side lines.
>
> [...]
>
> > Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't
> > scroll backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has
> > everything More doesn't. :)
>
> Then try this:
>
>    less -p 'keyboard-configuration'
> /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
>
> (hey, I just solved a quarter of the reader's exercise ;-)
>
> > > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that
> > > kind of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each
> > > hit. But I disgress...
> >
> > Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!
>
> It's more. It's the dream of the Lisp Machine. But I disgress.
>
We had lisp on the amiga, bur I never really got on a first name basis 
with it. My biggest dissapointment was losing ARexx when the amigas last 
hd died. I'll never forgive those two clowns that destroyed the amiga.  
They conned William Hawes into doing ARexx, and never paid him a dime.
Now that was an os looking like a language and I was blown away when I 
found that Rexx/Regina wasn't even a castrated version of ARexx.  The 
amiga didn't have a cron, so Jim and I wrote one, in ARexx.  It didn't 
have a heyu, so we wrote one, in ARexx, called it EZHome since we'ed 
called the cron EZCron.  We were I think, the first tv station to put 
the news on our web page, and we, Jim Hines and I wrote the web server 
in ARexx with some help from the still in diapers back then php.

But like you, I digress.

> Cheers
> -- tomás


Cheers tomás, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187688

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:27:50AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
> 
> Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an exercise
> for the reader ;-)

Man, some years back, after years of marketing and business meetings,
I was in a sub-sub-sub-sub-directory containing may be half a dozen
PDF files, but there was a subdirectory which had a couple I wanted
open too, so I mosies right along with my fabulous Unix commands and
does something like this:

 find ./ -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&


but, unfortunately, as in, very very unfortunately, I was so fast at
typing and didn't double check and I wrote the line like so:

 find / -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&


(Notice the (sadly, as in, very sadly) missing period before the
 slash!)


Welp, ye olde Pentium 90 with 128Megabytes (‼‼!! - no such thing as
ISO standard Mibibytes in those days, it was all completely diffident
you see), and dang! did that computer crawl, and slow down, and
basically came to a halt after a while as X window after X window
steadily, slowly, then really slowly, opened up, one after another
(now listen all you whippasnapperas, no laughing matter ok, we didn't
have kernel mode setting, process groups and CPU affinities - just
getting enough affinity between the graphics card and the mother
bored was challenge enough I tells ya!)

Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
an indefinite number of processes in the background”.


> Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind of
> stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> disgress...
> 
> Cheers
> -- t
> 

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#187690

On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:27:50AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
> >
> > Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an
> > exercise for the reader ;-)
>
> Man, some years back, after years of marketing and business meetings,
> I was in a sub-sub-sub-sub-directory containing may be half a dozen
> PDF files, but there was a subdirectory which had a couple I wanted
> open too, so I mosies right along with my fabulous Unix commands and
> does something like this:
>
>  find ./ -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&
>
>
> but, unfortunately, as in, very very unfortunately, I was so fast at
> typing and didn't double check and I wrote the line like so:
>
>  find / -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&
>
>
> (Notice the (sadly, as in, very sadly) missing period before the
>  slash!)
>
>
> Welp, ye olde Pentium 90 with 128Megabytes (‼‼!! - no such thing as
> ISO standard Mibibytes in those days, it was all completely diffident
> you see), and dang! did that computer crawl, and slow down, and
> basically came to a halt after a while as X window after X window
> steadily, slowly, then really slowly, opened up, one after another
> (now listen all you whippasnapperas, no laughing matter ok, we didn't
> have kernel mode setting, process groups and CPU affinities - just
> getting enough affinity between the graphics card and the mother
> bored was challenge enough I tells ya!)
>
I've seen w95/w98 machines do that from an overload of viri. Tain't purty 
I tell yah.

> Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> an indefinite number of processes in the background”.

But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart 
characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way to 
school etc etc. Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this 
past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to 
chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your 
shoot on sight enemies. ;-)

> > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> > of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> > disgress...
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187707

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
> 
> But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart 
> characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way to 
> school etc etc.

2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...


> Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this 
> past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to 
> chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your 
> shoot on sight enemies. ;-)

'Tis a monoply I tell ya, a monocley :)

Indeed, you're nearly twice me age - I best be thankful I kin tie me
shoe laces I better... I's gettin rooly old :)

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#187710

On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> > > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> > > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
> >
> > But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
> > characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
> > to school etc etc.
>
> 2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...
>
You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941 
IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about 
halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because 
that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it 
went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa 
was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I 
don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little 
boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I 
took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding 
grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm 
outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.  
Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled 
shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning" 
heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick 
cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.

I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison 
County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been 
twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named 
Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.

Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.

> > Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this
> > past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to
> > chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your
> > shoot on sight enemies. ;-)
>
> 'Tis a monoply I tell ya, a monocley :)
>
> Indeed, you're nearly twice me age - I best be thankful I kin tie me
> shoe laces I better... I's gettin rooly old :)


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#187711

On 2017-10-08 13:36, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
>> > > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
>> > > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
>> >
>> > But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
>> > characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
>> > to school etc etc.
>>
>> 2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...
>>
> You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941 
> IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about 
> halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because 
> that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it 
> went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa 
> was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I 
> don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little 
> boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I 
> took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding 
> grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm 
> outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.  
> Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled 
> shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning" 
> heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick 
> cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.
> 
> I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison 
> County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been 
> twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named 
> Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.
> 
> Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.

Had the odd winter like that. Somehow it would work out to every third
or fifth.
We'd know when it was coming, because all the farm animals would start
making their way in under their house: they knew when it was on the way.

All the rest were pretty easy, and we'd walk down to the road in bare
feet, stopping to step in fresh cow-pats for a while to warm feet up we
couldn't feel any more, then catch the bus to school, where we'd drive
ourselves mad with the chilblains once we got inside.

-- 
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its 
government."
 -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

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#187712

On 10/07/2017 10:59 PM, Weaver wrote:
> On 2017-10-08 13:36, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>>>> Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
>>>>> background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
>>>>> an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
>>>> But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
>>>> characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
>>>> to school etc etc.
>>> 2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...
>>>
>> You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941
>> IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about
>> halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because
>> that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it
>> went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa
>> was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I
>> don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little
>> boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I
>> took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding
>> grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm
>> outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.
>> Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled
>> shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning"
>> heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick
>> cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.
>>
>> I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison
>> County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been
>> twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named
>> Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.
>>
>> Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.
> Had the odd winter like that. Somehow it would work out to every third
> or fifth.
> We'd know when it was coming, because all the farm animals would start
> making their way in under their house: they knew when it was on the way.
>
> All the rest were pretty easy, and we'd walk down to the road in bare
> feet, stopping to step in fresh cow-pats for a while to warm feet up we
> couldn't feel any more, then catch the bus to school, where we'd drive
> ourselves mad with the chilblains once we got inside.
>
I thought _I_ was old...I'll be 80 in a few days...but you must be 
around 90! God go with you!

--doug

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On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> wrote:

>
> Welp, ye olde Pentium 90 with 128Megabytes (‼‼!! - no such thing as
> ISO standard Mibibytes in those days, it was all completely diffident
> you see), and dang! did that computer crawl, and slow down, and
> basically came to a halt after a while as X window after X window
> steadily, slowly, then really slowly, opened up, one after another
> (now listen all you whippasnapperas, no laughing matter ok, we didn't
> have kernel mode setting, process groups and CPU affinities - just
> getting enough affinity between the graphics card and the mother
> bored was challenge enough I tells ya!)


Shoot ;-)
I used to run linux on a 4MB (yes 4) 40MHz 386. The 0.96 kernel from the
German
Linux Universe distro, long gone I think.
It took Xwindows about 10 min to start (twm). But once it was up it was
pretty snappy. Rebuilt the kernel on it once. Took about 5 hours....


> > Cheers
> > -- t
> >
>
>

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