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  Laptop recommendation Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> - 2017-09-03 15:50 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-09-03 18:40 +0200
      Re: Laptop recommendation Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-09-04 01:20 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-09-03 18:50 +0200
      Re: Laptop recommendation Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-09-04 03:30 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation "tv.debian@googlemail.com" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2017-09-04 04:30 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-09-04 06:20 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2017-09-04 10:30 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 13:20 +0200
      Re: Laptop recommendation Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 04:20 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Eero Volotinen <eero.volotinen@iki.fi> - 2017-09-06 04:40 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-09-17 09:20 +0200
    Re: Laptop recommendation Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> - 2017-09-22 14:50 +0200

#186380 — Laptop recommendation

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Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.

Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout 
computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some 
light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.

I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.

I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to 
start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit 
over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
correctly they are also very heavy.

As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a number 
of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it died and
surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.

Any suggestions?

Best regards
-- 
Jonas Hedman 

PGP: 8F72 C5BE AAFA B4BA 8F46 9185 5C39 89E0 616B B08C

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#186392

On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 03:38:17PM +0200, Jonas Hedman wrote:
> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
> 
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout 
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some 
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
> 
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
> 
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to 
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit 
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.

System76 (www.system76.com) makes laptops that run Ubuntu; it
has generally been easy to retrofit Debian on them. They have 
several models that fit in your price range including more RAM
and an SSD.

I have purchased a fair number of machines from them over the
last decade, for both work and home.

-dsr-

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#186409

On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 12:39:18PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 03:38:17PM +0200, Jonas Hedman wrote:
> > Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
> > 
> > Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> > to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout 
> > computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some 
> > light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> > generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
> > 
> > I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
> > is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> > equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
> > 
> > I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to 
> > start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit 
> > over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> > know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> > correctly they are also very heavy.
> 
> System76 (www.system76.com) makes laptops that run Ubuntu; it
> has generally been easy to retrofit Debian on them. They have 
> several models that fit in your price range including more RAM
> and an SSD.

+1

Even "multimedia" keys and other things they generally ensure are
supported.

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#186393

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On 03/09/17 08:38, Jonas Hedman wrote:
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. [...]
> 
> Any suggestions?

Yes. Think Penguin <https://www.thinkpenguin.com/> sells computers
compatible with GNU/Linux that do not need proprietary drivers. They
claim to donate part of the profit to the development of free software
(I can neither confirm nor deny this claim).

Use H-node <https://h-node.org/> to check for hardware compatibility and
contribute an entry for your hardware if you can.

-- 
Do not eat animals; respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186412

Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> writes:

> On 03/09/17 08:38, Jonas Hedman wrote:
> > Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally
> > want to run Debian. [...]
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Yes. Think Penguin <https://www.thinkpenguin.com/> sells computers
> compatible with GNU/Linux that do not need proprietary drivers.

Seconded. Think Penguin is one of very few vendors that actively source
components by working with manufacturers to ensure they need no
proprietary drivers.

> They claim to donate part of the profit to the development of free
> software (I can neither confirm nor deny this claim).

Think Penguin do indeed spend hours of paid work to *increase* the
number of hardware devices that will work with only free software. See
<URL:https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-tpe-r1100>
as an example, the TPE-R1100.

> Use H-node <https://h-node.org/> to check for hardware compatibility
> and contribute an entry for your hardware if you can.

The H-node project is a great community resource. More contributions
keep it humming.

-- 
 \     “Try adding “as long as you don't breach the terms of service – |
  `\          according to our sole judgement” to the end of any cloud |
_o__)                      computing pitch.” —Simon Phipps, 2010-12-11 |
Ben Finney

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#186416

On 03/09/2017 19:08, Jonas Hedman wrote:
> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
> 
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
> 
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
> 
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.
> 
> As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a number
> of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it died and
> surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Best regards
> 

Hi, I recently installed Debian 9 on an Asus "Zenbook" X430-UA (Intel 
graphics) and it runs beautifully. It's my son study laptop and it's 
performing well so far, battery life is excellent. Everything works, I 
installed in UEFI mode alongside Win, grub is managing the boot process 
for both OS, no problem outside of Win clobbering the bootloader already 
once during an upgrade, but easy to fix. The keyboard is by my standards 
(using Thinkpads and mechanical keyboard on desktops) awful, the space 
bar stands out as particularly bad and spongy, but it is my only serious 
complaint. Screen is too bright and blue, but easily fixed by applying a 
color profile with "dispcalgui". It is not free since it requires 
firmwares for Intel hardware, but everything is included in Debian 
non-free. No ethernet port, tested a usb-c > ethernet adapter and it 
worked well. Card reader works, webcam+mic too, touchpad (clickpad) is 
good and very precise, click is not "clicky" enough for me but ok. I 
didn't test the fingerprint reader but assume it doesn't work, I have no 
use for it anyway. Sound is unexpectedly good for such a thin and light 
laptop. My son loves it.

Happy shopping.

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#186419

I'm very happy with a Dell Inspiron 13 7000 series I picked up at Best
Buy a month or so ago.  It appears to meet your requirements, and is
also a convertible (I can fold the screen back over to put it in "tent"
mode), has a touch-screen, supports an active pen, and has a backlit
keyboard.  The key feel is terrible but the keyboard is full-size; it's
been a long time since I've seen a laptop with a keyboard that felt
good.

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#186427

In Article <20170903133817.hppdseouwbc3kvjk@grond>,
 Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> writes:

> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
>
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout 
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some 
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
>
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
>
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to 
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit 
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.
>
> As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a number 
> of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it died and
> surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.
>
> Any suggestions?

There is no option for intalling under chromebook. People should install Linux
always with chromebook. That is why i did buy chromebook. Someone did
try to install FreeBSD, but it is very very very hard. 

Actually i am happy with Linux in chromebook~  

Sincerely, Byung-Hee.

-- 
^고맙습니다 _救濟蒼生_ 감사합니다_^))//

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#186464

Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> writes:

> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
>
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I 
> naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily 
> outandabout 
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and 
> doing some 
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and 
> I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly 
> possible.
>
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper 
> bound on prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater 
> than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
>
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where 
> or how to 
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising 
> but it's a bit 
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look 
> into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I 
> remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.
>
> As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a 
> number 
> of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it 
> died and
> surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Best regards

Check out ebay for something like a Thinkpad X230 or a Thinkpad 
T430 with an IPS HD+ screen. I know in sweden availability might 
be an issue so check out T440 or T450 prices too. 

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#186482

On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:13:04 +0100
Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> writes:
> 
> > Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
> >
> > Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I 
> > naturally want
> > to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily 

...

> > I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper 
> > bound on prize
> > is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater 
> > than or
> > equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.

...

> > into? I
> > know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I 
> > remember
> > correctly they are also very heavy.

> Check out ebay for something like a Thinkpad X230 or a Thinkpad 
> T430 with an IPS HD+ screen. I know in sweden availability might 
> be an issue so check out T440 or T450 prices too. 

ThinkPads, besides being generally acclaimed for their excellent build
quality, user-servicability and upgradability, also run Linux quite
well. [This is particularlyl true with regard to the "Professional /
Business" lines [e.g., the T, W, X, and P series] - the "Consumer"
lines [e.g., the E and L series] are somewhat different, and I've seen
conflicting reports as to how similar they are to the acclaimed T
series.]

New ones will likely exceed your budget, but used / refurbished units
are widely available for significantly less, both from resellers and on
auction sites. For years I used a T60, and I currently use a W550s:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W550s-Workstation-Review.137989.0.html

For example, T460 and T460s models (the initial letter denotes the
series, the first digit denotes the screen size (14"), the second the
model / processor generation (6th generation, Intel Core), and the 's'
suffix denotes slimmer / lighter versions) with SSDs and IPS screens
are available new / almost new / refurbished on eBay in the $600-$700
(USD) range:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460s-i5-6200U-4GB-128GB-SSD-1080p-IPS-FPR-Win10-Pro-Warranty-/322709906464
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460-i5-2-4GHz-256GB-SSD-2020-Warranty-IPS-1080p-/272821920130

Celejar

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#186485

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Try buying levono with student discount

3.9.2017 4.46 ip. "Jonas Hedman" <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> kirjoitti:

> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
>
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
>
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on
> prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
>
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a
> bit
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.
>
> As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a number
> of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it died and
> surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Best regards
> --
> Jonas Hedman
>
> PGP: 8F72 C5BE AAFA B4BA 8F46 9185 5C39 89E0 616B B08C
>

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#186898

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Jonas Hedman <jonas.hedman@fripost.org> wrote:
> Hello I hope that is not OT for this list.
>
> Basically I'm on the hunt for a newish laptop on which I naturally want
> to run Debian. I'm a student and I spend most of my daily outandabout
> computer time reading pdfs, writing LaTeX docs, surfing and doing some
> light coding, no heavy duty stuff in other words. I use i3vm and I
> generally like to keep things as light and minimal as feasibly possible.
>
> I really value light weight and good battery life and my upper bound on prize
> is somewhere around 875$ (~7K SEK). Memory should be greater than or
> equal to 2GB and an sdd would be nice.
>
> I know very little about hardware and I'm not quite sure where or how to
> start looking. I though the Lenovo Thinkpad 13 looked promising but it's a bit
> over my price target. Could chromeboosk be something to look into? I
> know the older thinkpads has good debian support but if I remember
> correctly they are also very heavy.
>
> As a small reference: I made due with a Asus EEE PC 1005HA for a number
> of years and it generally worked well for my purposes but it died and
> surfing was a pain so I'm looking to upgrade a bit from that.
>
> Any suggestions?

Sorry for the late reply. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

Years ago when I was shopping for a laptop, I found the
<http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/> website very useful.

-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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#187090

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Hello again, I just wanted to collectively thank everyone for their
excellent recommendations. I went for a refurbished x200 with libreboot 
from Vikings. It's a little bit on the heavy side for everyday carry 
but I think I'll get used to it soon. I've had it for a few days
now and it works really well and I'm superhappy with it.

Thanks again everyone!

Best regards
-- 
Jonas Hedman 

PGP: 8F72 C5BE AAFA B4BA 8F46 9185 5C39 89E0 616B B08C

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